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  GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Jai <jaiprakashsingh213@gmail.com> - 2013-12-14 04:12 -0800
    Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-14 23:25 +1100
      Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Jai <jaiprakashsingh213@gmail.com> - 2013-12-14 04:46 -0800
      Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-12-14 09:42 -0800
        Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-14 18:11 +0000
        Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-14 13:10 -0700
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-14 18:05 +0100
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-14 17:54 +0000
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-14 13:01 -0700
        Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-14 22:59 +0000
          Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-15 14:53 +0000
            Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-15 17:01 +0000
              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-16 09:06 +1100
                Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2013-12-16 09:55 -0500
                  Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 02:20 +1100
                    Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2013-12-16 10:32 -0500
                      Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 03:10 +1100
                        Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-16 16:46 +0000
                          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 03:52 +1100
                            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-16 17:04 +0000
                              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2013-12-16 23:12 +0100
                              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python ,   how should i proceed. Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-12-17 11:37 +1300
                                Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python ,   how should i proceed. Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-17 04:27 +0000
                        Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2013-12-16 23:06 +0100
                          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 09:40 +1100
                            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2013-12-17 10:33 +0100
                              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-18 00:19 +1100
                          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-12-16 19:10 -0500
                          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 04:21 +0000
              Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-12-16 21:37 -0800
                Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 16:47 +1100
                Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 05:48 +0000
                  Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-16 23:58 -0800
                    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 08:33 +0000
                      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-17 01:18 -0800
                        Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 09:44 +0000
                    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-17 09:29 +0000
                      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 09:39 +0000
                        Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-17 11:13 +0000
                          Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 13:03 +0000
                            Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-17 06:02 -0800
                              Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-17 06:43 -0800
                                Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 14:52 +0000
                          Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 13:47 +0000
                      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-17 04:19 -0800
                      Fwd: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 05:28 -0800
                Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2013-12-17 09:11 +0100
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-14 13:04 -0700
        Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-15 16:33 +0100
          Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-15 10:19 -0700
          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-12-15 18:52 +0100
            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-17 16:26 +0100
          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-15 17:59 +0000
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Ned Deily <nad@acm.org> - 2013-12-14 12:36 -0800
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-12-14 16:00 -0500
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Jeremy Sanders <jeremy@jeremysanders.net> - 2013-12-16 09:28 +0100
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Tamer Higazi <tameritoke2@arcor.de> - 2013-12-16 02:34 +0200
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-16 01:18 +0000
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Tamer Higazi <tameritoke2@arcor.de> - 2013-12-16 06:09 +0200
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-17 16:07 +0100
        Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-12-17 13:11 -0500
          Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-23 18:59 +0100
            Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-23 11:05 -0800
              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-24 06:14 +1100
              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-23 19:22 +0000
              Please stop the trolling Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-12-23 15:53 -0500
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                  Re: Please stop the trolling Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-24 14:58 +0000
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    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-15 21:51 -0700
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-17 16:01 +0100
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-15 21:55 -0700
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-15 21:56 -0700
    Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-16 15:57 +1100
    Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-16 16:08 +1100
      Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-17 16:00 +0100
        Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 11:06 -0700
          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-17 11:00 -0800
            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 19:33 +0000
            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-18 01:24 -0800
              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-18 16:45 +0000
            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-19 00:10 -0800
              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-19 08:25 +0000
                Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-19 01:10 -0800
                  Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-19 09:23 +0000
          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-19 16:32 +0100
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#62225 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On 12/17/2013 08:00 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
>> Python is sooooooo slow when it waits for the human.
> 
> With Windows systems, I waste something like 90% of my work time waiting
> for that system to stop "Not Responding".
> 
> And no, it's not a matter of hardware.

Something is wrong then.  Windows has its issues, and it does slow down
over time as cruft in the system accumulates. And Windows XP is getting
slower and slower due to a bug in the automatic updates service, but in
general, but your experience with Windows is not normal.  I managed
hundreds of Windows workstations in my previous life and I did not see
this occur with any regularity. So something is wrong with your setup.
Maybe its time for a re-install?  Virus or malware?  Or maybe you need
to upgrade to Windows 7?

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#62231 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

Le mardi 17 décembre 2013 19:06:35 UTC+1, Michael Torrie a écrit :
> On 12/17/2013 08:00 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> 
> >> Python is sooooooo slow when it waits for the human.
> 
> > 
> 
> > With Windows systems, I waste something like 90% of my work time waiting
> 
> > for that system to stop "Not Responding".
> 
> > 
> 
> > And no, it's not a matter of hardware.
> 
> 
> 
> Something is wrong then.  Windows has its issues, and it does slow down
> 
> over time as cruft in the system accumulates. And Windows XP is getting
> 
> slower and slower due to a bug in the automatic updates service, but in
> 
> general, but your experience with Windows is not normal.  I managed
> 
> hundreds of Windows workstations in my previous life and I did not see
> 
> this occur with any regularity. So something is wrong with your setup.
> 
> Maybe its time for a re-install?  Virus or malware?  Or maybe you need
> 
> to upgrade to Windows 7?



I tend to agree with you. However, I should say
I'm observing a strange phenomenon.

Among others, I wrote two interactive interpreters
with PySide 1.1.2 for Python 3.3 and Python 3.2.

If I'm runing such a task with Py3.2 (more than a minute)

>>> timeit.timeit("a = '\u2345'*100000; 'x' in a")

it runs smoothly.

but if I run the same task with Py3.3

my window seems to be idled, and a message like,
Ne répond pas (something like "Do no respond")
appeares in the title bar of the window (my application
title + that msg). The cursor get transformed into the
win7 "waiting cursor".

The app seems to freeze, but in fact, it is not and
the resulting values are correct.

How do I know this? Very simple, the resulting
values are in exact concordance with the values
I obtain with my interactive intepreters, but
built with tkinter!

jmf

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#62232 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On 17/12/2013 19:00, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:
> Le mardi 17 décembre 2013 19:06:35 UTC+1, Michael Torrie a écrit :
>> On 12/17/2013 08:00 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
>>
>>>> Python is sooooooo slow when it waits for the human.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> With Windows systems, I waste something like 90% of my work time waiting
>>
>>> for that system to stop "Not Responding".
>>
>>>
>>
>>> And no, it's not a matter of hardware.
>>
>>
>>
>> Something is wrong then.  Windows has its issues, and it does slow down
>>
>> over time as cruft in the system accumulates. And Windows XP is getting
>>
>> slower and slower due to a bug in the automatic updates service, but in
>>
>> general, but your experience with Windows is not normal.  I managed
>>
>> hundreds of Windows workstations in my previous life and I did not see
>>
>> this occur with any regularity. So something is wrong with your setup.
>>
>> Maybe its time for a re-install?  Virus or malware?  Or maybe you need
>>
>> to upgrade to Windows 7?
>
>
>
> I tend to agree with you. However, I should say
> I'm observing a strange phenomenon.
>
> Among others, I wrote two interactive interpreters
> with PySide 1.1.2 for Python 3.3 and Python 3.2.
>
> If I'm runing such a task with Py3.2 (more than a minute)
>
>>>> timeit.timeit("a = '\u2345'*100000; 'x' in a")
>
> it runs smoothly.
>
> but if I run the same task with Py3.3
>
> my window seems to be idled, and a message like,
> Ne répond pas (something like "Do no respond")
> appeares in the title bar of the window (my application
> title + that msg). The cursor get transformed into the
> win7 "waiting cursor".
>
> The app seems to freeze, but in fact, it is not and
> the resulting values are correct.
>
> How do I know this? Very simple, the resulting
> values are in exact concordance with the values
> I obtain with my interactive intepreters, but
> built with tkinter!
>
> jmf
>

Have I understood this correctly?  Your users are using a GUI that 
you've designed and implemented, they type in 100000 identical 
characters and then search linearly for a single character that they 
know can't possibly be found, and then they are complaining that their 
systems are too slow, yes?

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#62287 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

Le mardi 17 décembre 2013 20:00:14 UTC+1, wxjm...@gmail.com a écrit :
> Le mardi 17 décembre 2013 19:06:35 UTC+1, Michael Torrie a écrit :
> 
> > On 12/17/2013 08:00 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > >> Python is sooooooo slow when it waits for the human.
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > > With Windows systems, I waste something like 90% of my work time waiting
> 
> > 
> 
> > > for that system to stop "Not Responding".
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > > And no, it's not a matter of hardware.
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Something is wrong then.  Windows has its issues, and it does slow down
> 
> > 
> 
> > over time as cruft in the system accumulates. And Windows XP is getting
> 
> > 
> 
> > slower and slower due to a bug in the automatic updates service, but in
> 
> > 
> 
> > general, but your experience with Windows is not normal.  I managed
> 
> > 
> 
> > hundreds of Windows workstations in my previous life and I did not see
> 
> > 
> 
> > this occur with any regularity. So something is wrong with your setup.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Maybe its time for a re-install?  Virus or malware?  Or maybe you need
> 
> > 
> 
> > to upgrade to Windows 7?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I tend to agree with you. However, I should say
> 
> I'm observing a strange phenomenon.
> 
> 
> 
> Among others, I wrote two interactive interpreters
> 
> with PySide 1.1.2 for Python 3.3 and Python 3.2.
> 
> 
> 
> If I'm runing such a task with Py3.2 (more than a minute)
> 
> 
> 
> >>> timeit.timeit("a = '\u2345'*100000; 'x' in a")
> 
> 
> 
> it runs smoothly.
> 
> 
> 
> but if I run the same task with Py3.3
> 
> 
> 
> my window seems to be idled, and a message like,
> 
> Ne répond pas (something like "Do no respond")
> 
> appeares in the title bar of the window (my application
> 
> title + that msg). The cursor get transformed into the
> 
> win7 "waiting cursor".
> 
> 
> 
> The app seems to freeze, but in fact, it is not and
> 
> the resulting values are correct.
> 
> 
> 
> How do I know this? Very simple, the resulting
> 
> values are in exact concordance with the values
> 
> I obtain with my interactive intepreters, but
> 
> built with tkinter!
> 
> 


Installation of PySide 1.2.1 for Py32, Py33
-> same effect.

win32, shiboken, Visual Studio, Qt: ???

jmf

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#62315 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On 18/12/2013 09:24, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:

[once again snip all the double spaced crap from google groups]

>
> Installation of PySide 1.2.1 for Py32, Py33
> -> same effect.
>
> win32, shiboken, Visual Studio, Qt: ???
>
> jmf
>

The point of this is?

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#62384 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

Le mardi 17 décembre 2013 20:00:14 UTC+1, wxjm...@gmail.com a écrit :
> Le mardi 17 décembre 2013 19:06:35 UTC+1, Michael Torrie a écrit :
> 
> > On 12/17/2013 08:00 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > >> Python is sooooooo slow when it waits for the human.
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > > With Windows systems, I waste something like 90% of my work time waiting
> 
> > 
> 
> > > for that system to stop "Not Responding".
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > > And no, it's not a matter of hardware.
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Something is wrong then.  Windows has its issues, and it does slow down
> 
> > 
> 
> > over time as cruft in the system accumulates. And Windows XP is getting
> 
> > 
> 
> > slower and slower due to a bug in the automatic updates service, but in
> 
> > 
> 
> > general, but your experience with Windows is not normal.  I managed
> 
> > 
> 
> > hundreds of Windows workstations in my previous life and I did not see
> 
> > 
> 
> > this occur with any regularity. So something is wrong with your setup.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Maybe its time for a re-install?  Virus or malware?  Or maybe you need
> 
> > 
> 
> > to upgrade to Windows 7?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I tend to agree with you. However, I should say
> 
> I'm observing a strange phenomenon.
> 
> 
> 
> Among others, I wrote two interactive interpreters
> 
> with PySide 1.1.2 for Python 3.3 and Python 3.2.
> 
> 
> 
> If I'm runing such a task with Py3.2 (more than a minute)
> 
> 
> 
> >>> timeit.timeit("a = '\u2345'*100000; 'x' in a")
> 
> 
> 
> it runs smoothly.
> 
> 
> 
> but if I run the same task with Py3.3
> 
> 
> 
> my window seems to be idled, and a message like,
> 
> Ne répond pas (something like "Do no respond")
> 
> appeares in the title bar of the window (my application
> 
> title + that msg). The cursor get transformed into the
> 
> win7 "waiting cursor".
> 
> 
> 
> The app seems to freeze, but in fact, it is not and
> 
> the resulting values are correct.
> 
> 
> 
> How do I know this? Very simple, the resulting
> 
> values are in exact concordance with the values
> 
> I obtain with my interactive intepreters, but
> 
> built with tkinter!
> 
> 


Same experience with PyQt4.

Py 3.2 : PyQt4.QtCore.PYQT_VERSION_STR -> 4.8.6
Py 3.3 : PyQt4.QtCore.PYQT_VERSION_STR -> 4.10

jmf

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#62388 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On 19/12/2013 08:10, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Same experience with PyQt4.
>
> Py 3.2 : PyQt4.QtCore.PYQT_VERSION_STR -> 4.8.6
> Py 3.3 : PyQt4.QtCore.PYQT_VERSION_STR -> 4.10
>
> jmf
>

Your point being?

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#62389 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

Le jeudi 19 décembre 2013 09:25:14 UTC+1, Mark Lawrence a écrit :
> On 19/12/2013 08:10, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >
> 
> > Same experience with PyQt4.
> 
> >
> 
> > Py 3.2 : PyQt4.QtCore.PYQT_VERSION_STR -> 4.8.6
> 
> > Py 3.3 : PyQt4.QtCore.PYQT_VERSION_STR -> 4.10
> 
> >
> 
> > jmf
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Your point being?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
> 
> what you can do for our language.
> 
> 

The point is:
Py3.3 and "Qt" on Windows 7 pro does not work.

jmf

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#62391 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On 19/12/2013 09:10, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:
> Le jeudi 19 décembre 2013 09:25:14 UTC+1, Mark Lawrence a écrit :
>> On 19/12/2013 08:10, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Same experience with PyQt4.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Py 3.2 : PyQt4.QtCore.PYQT_VERSION_STR -> 4.8.6
>>
>>> Py 3.3 : PyQt4.QtCore.PYQT_VERSION_STR -> 4.10
>>
>>>
>>
>>> jmf
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your point being?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
>>
>> what you can do for our language.
>>
>>
>
> The point is:
> Py3.3 and "Qt" on Windows 7 pro does not work.
>
> jmf
>

Well that's rather sad, but did you have to send all the blank space 
above just to say that?  With whom have you raised bug reports?  What 
has their response(s) been?

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#62402 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

> > With Windows systems, I waste something like 90% of my work time
> > waiting for that system to stop "Not Responding".
> > 
> > And no, it's not a matter of hardware.
> 
> Something is wrong then.

You bet.

> Windows has its issues, and it does slow down over time as cruft in
> the system accumulates. And Windows XP is getting slower and slower
> due to a bug in the automatic updates service, but in general, but
> your experience with Windows is not normal.

With Windows it *is* "normal". An experienced software developer
once even explained the reason to me. When a single process on Windows
does I/O, then the system essentially falls back to "single tasking".
Or (non-)"cooperative multitasking" at best, depending on how
dissocial the developer of that process is.

>  I managed hundreds of Windows workstations in my previous
> life and I did not see this occur with any regularity.

Well, because you only "managed" those computers, you never tried to
accomplish actual *work* with them.

> So something is wrong with your setup. Maybe its time for a
> re-install?  Virus or malware? 

Windows itself is the problem.

> Or maybe you need to upgrade to Windows 7?

Won't change anything.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

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#62405 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> wrote:
> With Windows it *is* "normal". An experienced software developer
> once even explained the reason to me. When a single process on Windows
> does I/O, then the system essentially falls back to "single tasking".
> Or (non-)"cooperative multitasking" at best, depending on how
> dissocial the developer of that process is.

What?!

I've supported Windows for quite a few years now (ever since I stopped
being OS/2-exclusive (and will do until I can be Linux-exclusive...
too many people use it for me to drop it). There is nothing
cooperative or single-threaded about Windows multitasking around I/O.

I don't disagree that it absolutely sucks compared to Linux (even OS/2
from the 1990s beats today's Windows in a few areas), but not that
one.

ChrisA

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#62427 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:32:37 +0100, Wolfgang Keller 
<feliphil@gmx.net> wrote:
> With Windows it *is* "normal". An experienced software developer
> once even explained the reason to me. When a single process on 
Windows
> does I/O, then the system essentially falls back to "single 
tasking".
> Or (non-)"cooperative multitasking" at best, depending on how
> dissocial the developer of that process is.

If you were told this 20 years ago, perhaps.  But Windows hasn't been 
running on DOS for a long time. Starting with NT 3.1, that's 
nonsense.

-- 
DaveA

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#62428 — Re: Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:32:37 +0100, Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> With Windows it *is* "normal". An experienced software developer
>> once even explained the reason to me. When a single process on
>
> Windows
>>
>> does I/O, then the system essentially falls back to "single
>
> tasking".
>>
>> Or (non-)"cooperative multitasking" at best, depending on how
>> dissocial the developer of that process is.
>
>
> If you were told this 20 years ago, perhaps.  But Windows hasn't been
> running on DOS for a long time. Starting with NT 3.1, that's nonsense.

Actually, one thing I might believe is that when one process trips a
page fault and has to be swapped back in, all other processes freeze,
waiting on the memory manager. But I'd want to see some evidence that
that's the case. It's plausible (based on some of the problems I've
seen) but by no means necessarily true.

ChrisA

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#62446 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

This thread hasn't been close to Python for while now and should
be shut down. But, it is actually kind of interesting since you 
debate possible mechanisms behind the behaviour of my Windows box 
at work: "Not responding" is happening to me daily for any
application including Microsoft's own Office Suite. I hoped it
would go away when we moved from Vista to W7 but it didn't.

In all fairness, our computers have both corporate and HP crapware
installed so Microsoft may be innocent.

Coming from many years of SUN Solaris experience I may be a bit
spoiled when it comes to robustness :-)

Now, let's leave this behind and spend time on Python -- something I
with a formal programming education dating back to 1980 and F77 find
fascinating.

/Martin

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#62448 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On 20/12/2013 17:52, Martin Schöön wrote:
>
> Coming from many years of SUN Solaris experience I may be a bit
> spoiled when it comes to robustness :-)
>

You never had the pleasure of working on VMS then? :)

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#62493 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

Den 2013-12-20 skrev Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>:
> On 20/12/2013 17:52, Martin Schöön wrote:
>>
>> Coming from many years of SUN Solaris experience I may be a bit
>> spoiled when it comes to robustness :-)
>>
>
> You never had the pleasure of working on VMS then? :)
>
Only very, very little and I have no clear memories of it. It was
back in the days before I learned to save my work every few seconds
just in case because just in case didn't happen to us then.

I took OS stability for granted in those days.

/Martin

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#62451 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

Le vendredi 20 décembre 2013 18:52:44 UTC+1, Martin Schöön a écrit :
> This thread hasn't been close to Python for while now and should
> 
> be shut down. But, it is actually kind of interesting since you 
> 
> debate possible mechanisms behind the behaviour of my Windows box 
> 
> at work: "Not responding" is happening to me daily for any
> 
> application including Microsoft's own Office Suite. I hoped it
> 
> would go away when we moved from Vista to W7 but it didn't.
> 
> 
> 
> In all fairness, our computers have both corporate and HP crapware
> 
> installed so Microsoft may be innocent.
> 
> 
> 
> Coming from many years of SUN Solaris experience I may be a bit
> 
> spoiled when it comes to robustness :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Now, let's leave this behind and spend time on Python -- something I
> 
> with a formal programming education dating back to 1980 and F77 find
> 
> fascinating.
> 

The fact, that a main app window [%] falls in a "Ne répond pas",
("Not responding") state [*] with a mouse pointer becoming a
"waiting pointer" is not so dramatic. As I pointed, despite
this message in the title bar, the app works properly(?).

The fact, that system becomes "unstable" is more critical.
While being in that [*]-state, any attempt to work with
the mouse, eg clicking on an another app window, leads
to a [%] kill and to a msg box "Python has stopped working...".

The Python process can be killed, it does not hurt the system.

I'm observing this with the Qt-derivatives, PySide and PyQt4,
and Python 3.3. Not with Python 3.2.
From where does it come from? No idea. I'm inclined to
think, it's on the Qt side.

Windows 7 pro

jmf

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#62033 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On 16/12/2013 05:08, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think Python is a great overall application development language,
>> especially for the GUI.  First-class functions for callbacks make it
>> very nice compared to other languages.  Python  is fast enough for
>> full-blown apps too.  Slow parts can be factored out to other languages.
>
> Python is sooooooo slow when it waits for the human. That pesky
> input() function can take *minutes* to return. It's terrible! Factor
> that out and your job's done.
>

I've done the latter, but still can't fit all the data for my 100+ 
screens into a one liner, help please :)

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#62050 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I've done the latter, but still can't fit all the data for my 100+ screens
> into a one liner, help please :)

With 100 screens, you should be able to use lines of text up to 8000
characters long - just make sure your screens are organized
horizontally. Shorten all variable names to a single letter, omit all
unnecessary spaces, and you should be able to fit the code within that
space.

ChrisA

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#62062 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On 16/12/2013 11:58, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> I've done the latter, but still can't fit all the data for my 100+ screens
>> into a one liner, help please :)
>
> With 100 screens, you should be able to use lines of text up to 8000
> characters long - just make sure your screens are organized
> horizontally. Shorten all variable names to a single letter, omit all
> unnecessary spaces, and you should be able to fit the code within that
> space.
>
> ChrisA
>

Thanks for this extremely useful advice, it's much appreciated :)

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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