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  UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 10:49 +0300
    Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 10:53 +0300
      Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 18:00 +1000
        Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 11:04 +0300
          Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 18:07 +1000
            Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 11:19 +0300
              Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 18:23 +1000
                Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 11:30 +0300
                  Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 11:37 +0300
                    Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-09-29 09:45 +0000
                      Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 13:24 +0300
                        Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-29 11:11 +0000
                          Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 14:25 +0300
                            Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-29 11:46 +0000
                              Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 14:51 +0300
                                Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 14:38 +0200
                                Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 00:01 +1000
                            Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 00:19 +1000
                              Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 19:06 +0300
                                Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 12:14 -0400
                                  Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 19:19 +0300
                                    Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-29 20:16 -0700
                                    Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 15:45 +0100
                                      Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 21:03 +0300
                                        Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-30 20:18 +0200
                                        Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 19:42 +0100
                                          Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 23:13 +0300
                                            Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 21:44 +0100
                                              Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 00:34 +0300
                                                Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 17:44 -0400
                                                  Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:08 +0300
                                                    Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 18:13 -0400
                                                    Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 23:14 +0100
                                                      Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:19 +0300
                                                        Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 23:28 +0100
                                                          Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:30 +0300
                                                            Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 08:43 +1000
                                                              Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:48 +0300
                                                    Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-09-30 23:50 +0000
                                                Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 22:47 +0100
                                        Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-09-30 14:54 -0400
                                        Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-30 22:51 +0200
                                        Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 08:29 +1000
                                          Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:36 +0300
                                            Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 08:56 +1000
                                              Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 02:14 +0300
                                                Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-01 09:27 +0200
                                                  Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 11:39 +0300
                                                    Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-01 11:10 +0200
                                                  Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-02 01:36 +0000
                                                    Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-02 09:23 +0200
                                                      Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 11:52 +0300
                                                    Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 11:49 +0300
                                            Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-01 14:29 +0000
                                        Mutual respect, tolerance, encouragement (was: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-01 08:42 +1000
          Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-09-29 06:53 -0400
            Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-09-29 14:08 +0000
          Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-09-29 13:30 -0400
          Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-09-29 15:08 -0400
    Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 17:53 +1000
      Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 10:59 +0300
        Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-09-29 12:25 -0400
        Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-30 13:51 +0000
          Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 15:51 +0100
            Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 22:09 +0000
          Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:06 +1000

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#55100

On 9/30/13 2:42 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> Please drop dead and the sooner the better.  Your arrogant attitide to 
> the numerous people who've tried so hard to help you is disgraceful.

Mark, I'm as frustrated as anyone by Nikos' threads, but there's really 
no call for "Please drop dead."  We can do better than that.

--Ned.

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#55116

Op 30-09-13 20:54, Ned Batchelder schreef:
> On 9/30/13 2:42 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>> Please drop dead and the sooner the better.  Your arrogant attitide to
>> the numerous people who've tried so hard to help you is disgraceful.
>
> Mark, I'm as frustrated as anyone by Nikos' threads, but there's really
> no call for "Please drop dead."  We can do better than that.

I disagree. The "Please drop dead" seems well deserved to me. You may
think it better if people could put themselves above it, but that
doesn't make the remark less deserved.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#55132

On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
> Στις 30/9/2013 5:45 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε:
>> Absolutely hilarious.  Please give up your web work and Python and get a
>> job writing scripts for comedians, you'd make a large fortune.
>
>
> I learn Python for personal pleasure because i like programming.
> Perhaps it would be even better if you quit spamming my thread with your
> "funny" quotes.

Then maybe you should keep to programming for personal pleasure and
stop trying to make it part of your business. Most of your problems
stem from a perceived urgency - you panic, because you have stupidly
edited your live code again, and come to this list begging for help.
If you were coding purely for pleasure, your problems would not lose
you customers, and you could deal with issues calmly.

To be quite frank, I think you SHOULD lose customers. Suppose you buy
a piece of furniture from some small-time carpenter, and the moving
parts are stuck, it wobbles on its legs, and if anyone uses it who
isn't American, it crashes to the floor (which is how your Unicode
issues make you look). You go and complain, loudly, in front of people
who were looking at his wares and considering buying. He might lose
customers because of your complaint - but if he's selling a dodgy
product, he *should* lose customers. Carpentry for pleasure, or
programming for pleasure, is a fine thing to do, but it should not be
considered business.

Nikos, I sincerely hope that all these problems cause you to go out of
business. Preferably right now, with just enough maintenance to last
till the end of your contracts with people. Then start programming
purely as a hobby, until you actually master the craft.

ChrisA

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#55134

Στις 1/10/2013 1:29 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε:
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Στις 30/9/2013 5:45 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε:
>>> Absolutely hilarious.  Please give up your web work and Python and get a
>>> job writing scripts for comedians, you'd make a large fortune.
>>
>>
>> I learn Python for personal pleasure because i like programming.
>> Perhaps it would be even better if you quit spamming my thread with your
>> "funny" quotes.
>
> Then maybe you should keep to programming for personal pleasure and
> stop trying to make it part of your business. Most of your problems
> stem from a perceived urgency - you panic, because you have stupidly
> edited your live code again, and come to this list begging for help.
> If you were coding purely for pleasure, your problems would not lose
> you customers, and you could deal with issues calmly.
>
> To be quite frank, I think you SHOULD lose customers. Suppose you buy
> a piece of furniture from some small-time carpenter, and the moving
> parts are stuck, it wobbles on its legs, and if anyone uses it who
> isn't American, it crashes to the floor (which is how your Unicode
> issues make you look). You go and complain, loudly, in front of people
> who were looking at his wares and considering buying. He might lose
> customers because of your complaint - but if he's selling a dodgy
> product, he *should* lose customers. Carpentry for pleasure, or
> programming for pleasure, is a fine thing to do, but it should not be
> considered business.
>
> Nikos, I sincerely hope that all these problems cause you to go out of
> business. Preferably right now, with just enough maintenance to last
> till the end of your contracts with people. Then start programming
> purely as a hobby, until you actually master the craft.


I learn during the process.
That's how i deal with the situation.
I challedge my self and then try to confront the given situation _live_.

It's not wise to do so, but that how i operate.
Apart form that my customer's webistes have no problems, everyhting i do 
its domain specific, my domain, DNS and Mail issues for my domain, i 
don't play with customer's settings and data.

I have a good sense _not_ to fiddle with their accounts(except from the 
time that i have taken the risk to give you root access to helo me with 
a python issue, and you've "helped" me appropiately).

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#55139

On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
> I learn during the process.
> That's how i deal with the situation.
> I challedge my self and then try to confront the given situation _live_.
>
> It's not wise to do so, but that how i operate.

Everyone's learning on the job. (I learned this week that it's
possible to play fast and loose with ARP and routing, to make one
computer look like two and two look like one. That was fun. When I
came up with the concept, I gave my boss a 95% confidence that it'd
work; and so far it's not caused any trouble.) But what you're doing
is charging your customers while you learn the very basics. You can't
sell "Hello, world". Most people expect to go to university to learn a
trade; some spend two decades playing with something before earning a
single dollar (or Euro, or yen).

Learn to code, THEN try to make money at it. Or even leave off the
'then' clause - plenty of people never earn anything from code, and
stay as happy amateurs. There's nothing wrong with that.

ChrisA

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#55140

Στις 1/10/2013 1:56 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε:
> But what you're doing
> is charging your customers while you learn the very basics.

I designed their websites and they are up and running.
Yes i have charged some money, but they gain what they paid for, a 
running website, all of them.

So, its not like i'm ripping off someone here.

> You can't sell "Hello, world".

I hope i was in the position to sell python code but i'am not.
I learn Python because i like programming.

My reseller site should have been made probably in wordpress or joomla 
cms but i decided to code it in Python instead because i like the 
language and want it to learn it better and better. It has secret 
functions as well.

When i problem occurs i just ask and thats how i progress.
Sometimes i do a little reading too :)

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#55166

Op 01-10-13 01:14, Νίκος schreef:
> Στις 1/10/2013 1:56 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε:
>> But what you're doing
>> is charging your customers while you learn the very basics.
> 
> I designed their websites and they are up and running.
> Yes i have charged some money, but they gain what they paid for, a
> running website, all of them.
> 
> So, its not like i'm ripping off someone here.

Yes you are. People don't just pay for a running website, with "running"
meaning some vague: "is mostly accesible." People pay for some kind of
guaranteed uptime. Since you don't have the skills to deliver that
guarantee, you are in fact ripping them off.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#55170

Στις 1/10/2013 10:27 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε:
> Op 01-10-13 01:14, Νίκος schreef:
>> Στις 1/10/2013 1:56 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε:
>>> But what you're doing
>>> is charging your customers while you learn the very basics.
>>
>> I designed their websites and they are up and running.
>> Yes i have charged some money, but they gain what they paid for, a
>> running website, all of them.
>>
>> So, its not like i'm ripping off someone here.
>
> Yes you are. People don't just pay for a running website, with "running"
> meaning some vague: "is mostly accesible." People pay for some kind of
> guaranteed uptime. Since you don't have the skills to deliver that
> guarantee, you are in fact ripping them off.

But it has uptime, VPS is always online, i dont make system wide changes 
except for the fat that i installed Python 3.3.2 for my personal account 
needs.

If i encounter some problem i ask, bu the sad thing is that my provider 
doesn't care to help.

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#55172

Op 01-10-13 10:39, Νίκος schreef:
> Στις 1/10/2013 10:27 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε:
>> Op 01-10-13 01:14, Νίκος schreef:
>>> Στις 1/10/2013 1:56 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε:
>>>> But what you're doing
>>>> is charging your customers while you learn the very basics.
>>>
>>> I designed their websites and they are up and running.
>>> Yes i have charged some money, but they gain what they paid for, a
>>> running website, all of them.
>>>
>>> So, its not like i'm ripping off someone here.
>>
>> Yes you are. People don't just pay for a running website, with "running"
>> meaning some vague: "is mostly accesible." People pay for some kind of
>> guaranteed uptime. Since you don't have the skills to deliver that
>> guarantee, you are in fact ripping them off.
> 
> But it has uptime, VPS is always online, i dont make system wide changes
> except for the fat that i installed Python 3.3.2 for my personal account
> needs.

That is has uptime is not enough. The question is: Should something go
wrong, are you skilled enough to fix it within a reasonable time?
In other words, when the side does go down, how long will it take you
to have it up again?

Going by the skill level you have shown here, you are unable to cope
with such situations in a way that can be expected.

> If i encounter some problem i ask, bu the sad thing is that my provider
> doesn't care to help.

Then either you have the wrong provider or you are so lacking in skill
that your provider is fed up with spoon feeding you the basic solutions.

Going with your history here, I'll go with the latter. Especially as
I think it entirely possible that your provider has already helped you
and provided you the necessary answers but you rejected them because
you didn't like the particular style of the answer.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#55261

On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:27:22 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote:

> People pay for some kind of guaranteed uptime.

You have *no idea* what sort of contract Nikos has with his customers. 
Nor do you know have any idea what fees he charges. For all we know, he 
is promising, and charging for, 99% uptime while delivering 99.9% uptime.

I know you are getting off on hating Nikos, but take it elsewhere.



-- 
Steven

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#55285

Op 02-10-13 03:36, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
> On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:27:22 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> 
>> People pay for some kind of guaranteed uptime.
> 
> You have *no idea* what sort of contract Nikos has with his customers. 
> Nor do you know have any idea what fees he charges. For all we know, he 
> is promising, and charging for, 99% uptime while delivering 99.9% uptime.

Which is beside the point. It is very well possible to rip someone of
and in the mean time have a contract that makes ripping that person of,
legal.

It is also possible one behaves in a way similar as if ripping
others off, but that your "victims" are lucky and don't experience
a bad outcome (yet).

> I know you are getting off on hating Nikos, but take it elsewhere.

I know you are getting off insinuating hate of those who dare to
critisize Nikos harshly, but take it elsewhere.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#55289

Στις 2/10/2013 10:23 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε:
> Op 02-10-13 03:36, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
>> On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:27:22 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>>
>>> People pay for some kind of guaranteed uptime.
>>
>> You have *no idea* what sort of contract Nikos has with his customers.
>> Nor do you know have any idea what fees he charges. For all we know, he
>> is promising, and charging for, 99% uptime while delivering 99.9% uptime.
>
> Which is beside the point. It is very well possible to rip someone of
> and in the mean time have a contract that makes ripping that person of,
> legal.
>
> It is also possible one behaves in a way similar as if ripping
> others off, but that your "victims" are lucky and don't experience
> a bad outcome (yet).
>
>> I know you are getting off on hating Nikos, but take it elsewhere.
>
> I know you are getting off insinuating hate of those who dare to
> critisize Nikos harshly, but take it elsewhere.

I'am not ripping anyone off.
I designed all their websites and i host all their websiutes.
All their websites do work properly as expected.

I only trial and error with my perosnal domain, personal account only.
The only thing i did change system wide was installing Python 3.3.2 for 
perosnal reasons and rewrite the code for that.

But, wy iam a sitting here and explainign myself to you.....

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#55288

Στις 2/10/2013 4:36 πμ, ο/η Steven D'Aprano έγραψε:
> On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:27:22 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> People pay for some kind of guaranteed uptime.
>
> You have *no idea* what sort of contract Nikos has with his customers.
> Nor do you know have any idea what fees he charges. For all we know, he
> is promising, and charging for, 99% uptime while delivering 99.9% uptime.
>
> I know you are getting off on hating Nikos, but take it elsewhere.

It is good to know that some people understand me better then others.

Thank you steven.

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#55216

On 2013-09-30, ?????????? <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:

> I learn during the process.

That's fine as long as your customers are told up front that what
they're paying for is _not_ a working usable service, but rahter a
training program for you personally (a training program that's failing
rather badly, IMO).

> That's how i deal with the situation. I challedge my self and then
> try to confront the given situation _live_.

That's a lousy attitude to have if your customers expect something
that works rather than some in-progress hacked-up POS you're using for
practice.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! I want to mail a
                                  at               bronzed artichoke to
                              gmail.com            Nicaragua!

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#55136 — Mutual respect, tolerance, encouragement (was: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte)

Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> writes:

> Nikos, I sincerely hope that all these problems cause you to go out of
> business. Preferably right now, with just enough maintenance to last
> till the end of your contracts with people. Then start programming
> purely as a hobby, until you actually master the craft.

This is a sentiment I can heartily endorse. Far better than puerile
jeers and hostile desires for violence.

Please, everyone in this thread needs to keep in mind our host's
Diversity Statement:

    The Python Software Foundation and the global Python community
    welcome and encourage participation by everyone. Our community is
    based on mutual respect, tolerance, and encouragement, and we are
    working to help each other live up to these principles. We want our
    community to be more diverse: whoever you are, and whatever your
    background, we welcome you.

Let's keep all discussions here close to those principles.

-- 
 \      “The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're |
  `\                       still a rat.” —Jane Wagner, via Lily Tomlin |
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Ben Finney

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#55002

On 9/29/13 4:04 AM, Νίκος wrote:
> Στις 29/9/2013 11:00 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε:
>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in 
>>> position 0:
>>> invalid start byte
>>
>> Something's trying to decode a stream of bytes as UTF-8, and it's not
>> UTF-8. Work out what in your code is bytes and what is strings, and do
>> your own conversions.
>>
>> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
>>
>> READ IT. Do not write another line of code until you actually
>> understand what he's saying there.
>>
>> ChrisA
>>
> okey i will, but isnt this just weird:
>
> How come all these daysthe followinf line work as expected:
>
> host = socket.gethostbyaddr( ipval ) [0]
>
> and only just today just happened to output:
> UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0:
> invalid start byte erros?
>
> Nothign got added in my script. This is the only line that tried to 
> determine the host.

This is the nature of Unicode pain in Python 2 (Python 3 has a different 
kind!).  This may help you understand what's going on: 
http://nedbatchelder.com/text/unipain.html

--Ned.

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#55019

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 06:53:27 -0400, Ned Batchelder wrote:

> This is the nature of Unicode pain in Python 2 (Python 3 has a different
> kind!).  This may help you understand what's going on:
> http://nedbatchelder.com/text/unipain.html

That's a fantastic explanation, and I have pointed Nikos at that before, 
but he is running Python 3, not 2, so the obvious problem is not likely 
to be the actual problem.


-- 
Steven

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#55029

On 9/29/2013 6:53 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:

> This is the nature of Unicode pain in Python 2 (Python 3 has a different
> kind!).  This may help you understand what's going on:
> http://nedbatchelder.com/text/unipain.html

This is really excellent and I bookmarked it.

There is one minor error: "the conversion from int to float can't fail,"

 >>> float(10**1000)
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "<pyshell#0>", line 1, in <module>
     float(10**1000)
OverflowError: long int too large to convert to float

Even when it succeeds, it can fail in the sense of losing information.
 >>> int(float(12345678901234567890))
12345678901234567168
 >>> float(int(1.55))
1.0

This is somewhat analogous to a combination of errors='ignore' and 
errors='replace' (with random garbage).

I think the presentation would be strengthened with the correction, as 
it shows that the problems of conversion are *not* unique to bytes and 
unicode.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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#55034

On 9/29/13 1:30 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 9/29/2013 6:53 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>
>> This is the nature of Unicode pain in Python 2 (Python 3 has a different
>> kind!).  This may help you understand what's going on:
>> http://nedbatchelder.com/text/unipain.html
>
> This is really excellent and I bookmarked it.
>
> There is one minor error: "the conversion from int to float can't fail,"
>
> >>> float(10**1000)
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<pyshell#0>", line 1, in <module>
>     float(10**1000)
> OverflowError: long int too large to convert to float
>
> Even when it succeeds, it can fail in the sense of losing information.
> >>> int(float(12345678901234567890))
> 12345678901234567168
> >>> float(int(1.55))
> 1.0
>
> This is somewhat analogous to a combination of errors='ignore' and 
> errors='replace' (with random garbage).
>
> I think the presentation would be strengthened with the correction, as 
> it shows that the problems of conversion are *not* unique to bytes and 
> unicode.
>

Thanks, these are excellent points.

--Ned.

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#54987

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello although my code is correct just today i saw this in the error_log

You retain this ridiculous arrogance that your code is somehow
"correct", despite the problems you continually face. Do not these
problems prove that your code is NOT correct?

ChrisA

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