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  Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-01-03 05:08 -0800
    Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-01-04 01:28 +0000
      Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages PiLS <pils@invalid.ca> - 2012-01-04 20:48 +0000
        Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-01-05 07:55 +1100
        Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages HoneyMonster <someone@someplace.invalid> - 2012-01-04 21:54 +0000
      Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages xDog Walker <thudfoo@gmail.com> - 2012-01-04 15:13 -0800

#18402 — Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages

Peter Otten wrote:
> Lie Ryan wrote:
> 
>> On 01/02/2012 11:20 PM, Peter Otten wrote:
>>> Felinx Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have removed those packages (girlfriend and others) from PyPI forever,
>>>> I apologize for that.
>>> The thought police has won :(
>> I think the community has a right to defend themselves against trolls.
>> If it's just bad naming, we can probably just laugh it off; but when a
>> failed joke spans a half dozen module and just opens a browser to his
>> website, there is no value for it to stay at PyPI. Additionally, it may
>> fuel copycats: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/kimwoohyeon1/1.3.0 (do anyone
>> have any idea who submitted that one?)
> 
> I think it's a judgment call.
> 
> "maybe policing uploads is worse than cluttering PyPI's disk space and RSS 
> feed with dumb 1 KB packages." (Matt Chaput)
> 
> I'd drop the "maybe".

It's hard enough finding what one wants without having to wade through 
crap.  PyPI is not the place for it.

~Ethan~

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#18474

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 05:08:47 -0800, Ethan Furman wrote:

[...]
>> "maybe policing uploads is worse than cluttering PyPI's disk space and
>> RSS feed with dumb 1 KB packages." (Matt Chaput)
>> 
>> I'd drop the "maybe".
> 
> It's hard enough finding what one wants without having to wade through
> crap.  PyPI is not the place for it.

I agree. But who gets to choose which packages are "serious" enough to 
deserve to be on PyPI? Or good enough?

The cost of allowing anyone the freedom to publish their work is that 
some published work will be crap.

Besides, I find it hard to believe that the search facilities on PyPI are 
so bad that there would be any searches that come up with "girlfriend.py" 
or "car.py" as false positives.

Seriously, the over-reaction here is something that has to be seen to be 
believed. The original complaint is over a couple of entries in an RSS 
feed and showing up on the front page of PyPI, perhaps a dozen words in 
total. The reaction has been thousands of words arguing back and forth.


-- 
Steven

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#18515

Le mar, 03 jan 2012 20:28:59, Steven D'Aprano a ploppé:
> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 05:08:47 -0800, Ethan Furman wrote:
> 
> [...]
>>> "maybe policing uploads is worse than cluttering PyPI's disk space and
>>> RSS feed with dumb 1 KB packages." (Matt Chaput)
>>> 
>>> I'd drop the "maybe".
>> 
>> It's hard enough finding what one wants without having to wade through
>> crap.  PyPI is not the place for it.
> 
> I agree. But who gets to choose which packages are "serious" enough to 
> deserve to be on PyPI? Or good enough?
> 
> The cost of allowing anyone the freedom to publish their work is that 
> some published work will be crap.
> 
> Besides, I find it hard to believe that the search facilities on PyPI are 
> so bad that there would be any searches that come up with "girlfriend.py" 
> or "car.py" as false positives.
> 
> Seriously, the over-reaction here is something that has to be seen to be 
> believed. The original complaint is over a couple of entries in an RSS 
> feed and showing up on the front page of PyPI, perhaps a dozen words in 
> total. The reaction has been thousands of words arguing back and forth.
> 
> 

+1

The "it objectifies wymyn" argument (back and forth) was particularly
funny (in a insignificant nonsensical hollier-than-thou nitpicking way).
I really was on the verge of pushing the plonk button a couple times
(between spurts of uncontrollable laughter).
If anything, I see the joke as derogatory to Python programmers; sadly, 
this very thread proves this view. Also, I find it disturbing that the 
wymyn-power knights in shiny armour identify a python module with 
a woman. If I nuke a Karmic Koala, will they rat me out to the WWF, to
the UNODA, or to both?

-- 
PiLS

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#18517

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 7:48 AM, PiLS <pils@invalid.ca> wrote:
> If I nuke a Karmic Koala, will they rat me out to the WWF, to
> the UNODA, or to both?

Neither, actually. We'll be so glad you didn't call it a Karmic Koala
Bear that we'll send you three American tourists for free. (They're
actually quite delicious when properly prepared.)

ChrisA

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#18520

On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:48:36 +0000, PiLS wrote:

> If I nuke a Karmic Koala, will they rat me out to the WWF, to the
> UNODA, or to both?

Personally I'd be cheering for you, provided you also took out all the 
warthogs, hedgehogs, badgers, drakes, efts, fawns, gibbons, herons, 
ibexes, jackalopes, lynxes, meerkats, narwhals, ocelots and pangolins.

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#18524

On Tuesday 2012 January 03 17:28, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Besides, I find it hard to believe that the search facilities on PyPI are
> so bad that there would be any searches that come up with "girlfriend.py"
> or "car.py" as false positives.

Try an author search for D'Aprano.

-- 
I have seen the future and I am not in it.

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