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  Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Alexander Kapps <alex.kapps@web.de> - 2012-01-02 00:24 +0100
    Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-01-02 11:52 +1100
      Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-01-02 12:43 +1100
    Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-01-02 07:08 +0000
      Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-01-02 02:52 -0500
        Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages David Monaghan <monaghand.david@gmail.com> - 2012-01-02 13:00 +0000
    Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-01-05 21:58 -0800

#18300 — Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages

Uh oh, should I really send this? ... Yes. Yes, I should! Sorry, I 
cannot resists.

>>> allow everyone to do "import girlfriend"

> I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less
> funny and more sexist.

Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand 
that sexism is just another form of racism.

I was about to write a really harsh reply, but cooled down before I 
got a chance to hit the Send button.

Felinx Lee: Do apologize and rename your package/module or I'm going 
to make a racist comment against Chinese people.

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#18305

Alexander Kapps <alex.kapps@web.de> writes:

> Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand that
> sexism is just another form of racism.

That's not right. Racism and sexism are not forms of each other.

Instead, racism and sexism are both forms of bigotry.

And yes, I agree that the packages at issue are unfunny and the intent
is bigoted.

> I was about to write a really harsh reply, but cooled down before I got a
> chance to hit the Send button.

You would do better to send it to the author, rather than here.

> Felinx Lee: Do apologize and rename your package/module or I'm going
> to make a racist comment against Chinese people.

Please don't. We must be better than the bigots whose behaiour you
rightly deplore.

-- 
 \     “God was invented to explain mystery. God is always invented to |
  `\     explain those things that you do not understand.” —Richard P. |
_o__)                                                    Feynman, 1988 |
Ben Finney

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#18306

Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> writes:

> Alexander Kapps <alex.kapps@web.de> writes:
>
> > Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand
> > that sexism is just another form of racism.
>
> That's not right. Racism and sexism are not forms of each other.
>
> Instead, racism and sexism are both forms of bigotry.

Hmm, even that's not really true. Racism and sexism are both forms of
prejudice.

Bigotry always entails prejudice, but not vice versa.

How complex are the ways humans mistreat each other :-)

-- 
 \       “Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not |
  `\            entitled to their own facts.” —US Senator Pat Moynihan |
_o__)                                                                  |
Ben Finney

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#18312

On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 00:24:48 +0100, Alexander Kapps wrote:

> Uh oh, should I really send this? ... Yes. Yes, I should! Sorry, I
> cannot resists.
> 
>>>> allow everyone to do "import girlfriend"
> 
>> I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less funny
>> and more sexist.
> 
> Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand that
> sexism is just another form of racism.

Perhaps I'm just slow, but what is sexist about this package? Do you even 
know what the package does?


> Felinx Lee: Do apologize and rename your package/module 

So the package itself is not offensive, just the name "girlfriend"?

Or is it the very concept of "girlfriend" that offends you?


> or I'm going to
> make a racist comment against Chinese people.

I'm sure he's quaking in his boots. Some random guy on the Internet is 
going to insult him based on a wild assumption about his nationality.



-- 
Steven

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#18317

> Perhaps I'm just slow, but what is sexist about this package? Do you even
> know what the package does?

The dependencies are "car", "house", and "money" (and "workhard", of
course). The joke being that women only care about how wealthy you
are.

If it's just about naming a package "girlfriend", though, I agree. And
honestly that's much better material for a joke anyway.

-- Devin

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 00:24:48 +0100, Alexander Kapps wrote:
>
>> Uh oh, should I really send this? ... Yes. Yes, I should! Sorry, I
>> cannot resists.
>>
>>>>> allow everyone to do "import girlfriend"
>>
>>> I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less funny
>>> and more sexist.
>>
>> Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand that
>> sexism is just another form of racism.
>
> Perhaps I'm just slow, but what is sexist about this package? Do you even
> know what the package does?
>
>
>> Felinx Lee: Do apologize and rename your package/module
>
> So the package itself is not offensive, just the name "girlfriend"?
>
> Or is it the very concept of "girlfriend" that offends you?
>
>
>> or I'm going to
>> make a racist comment against Chinese people.
>
> I'm sure he's quaking in his boots. Some random guy on the Internet is
> going to insult him based on a wild assumption about his nationality.
>
>
>
> --
> Steven
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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#18324

On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 02:52:06 -0500, Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com>
wrote:

>> Perhaps I'm just slow, but what is sexist about this package? Do you even
>> know what the package does?
>
>The dependencies are "car", "house", and "money" (and "workhard", of
>course). The joke being that women only care about how wealthy you
>are.

That's not a joke, it's a stereotype - and a stereotype with a biological
truth in it.

DaveM

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#18585

On Jan 1, 5:24 pm, Alexander Kapps <alex.ka...@web.de> wrote:
> Uh oh, should I really send this? ... Yes. Yes, I should! Sorry, I
> cannot resists.
>
> >>> allow everyone to do "import girlfriend"
> > I'm betting on a joke, like antigravity only significantly less
> > funny and more sexist.
>
> Absolutely not funny. I hope that someday people will understand
> that sexism is just another form of racism.


I want everyone to realize that just because you are offended by
someones statements, actions, or behavior, DOES NOT mean those
statements, actions or behaviors are wrong.

Example: I have a right to buy the flag of your country and burn it.
To you the flag is a symbol to be worshiped. SO WHAT! To me your flag
is a worthless piece of cloth! And since i bought and own this
worthless piece of cloth, i can burn it, stomp on it, poke it with a
stick, and even wipe my kulo with it! Sure, doing all these things may
make me look like a complete idiot, but it is my god given right to
act like an idiot! Now, you could get all upset and call in the
gestapo, or you could just have a giggle and go about your day. Choice
is yours.

Anecdote: A while back i read a story about some kids gesturing their
middle fingers to on-duty policemen. As you might have guessed the
kids were arrested, handled roughly, and charged with disorderly
conduct. Soon after the kids sued the police department and received a
nice amount of money for their false arrest.

Just like the police, all the people getting upset over this light-
hearted joke are over-reacting and trying to abuse power. They believe
they have the power to stop other people from offending them. No, the
police DO NOT have that power, and YOU don't not have that power.
However, you DO have the power to ignore. And that is what the gestapo
*should* have done.

Now, if someone were making jokes about handicapped or mentally
challenged people (or anyone who does not have the capacity to defend
themselves) THEN you would be justified to make an argument. This case
warrants no such justification. Heck, there is not even a specific
victim to protect -- well, except for the poor guy who has to import
everything. Nobody cares about him :'-(

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