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  GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Jai <jaiprakashsingh213@gmail.com> - 2013-12-14 04:12 -0800
    Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-14 23:25 +1100
      Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Jai <jaiprakashsingh213@gmail.com> - 2013-12-14 04:46 -0800
      Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-12-14 09:42 -0800
        Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-14 18:11 +0000
        Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-14 13:10 -0700
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-14 18:05 +0100
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-14 17:54 +0000
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-14 13:01 -0700
        Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-14 22:59 +0000
          Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-15 14:53 +0000
            Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-15 17:01 +0000
              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-16 09:06 +1100
                Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2013-12-16 09:55 -0500
                  Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 02:20 +1100
                    Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2013-12-16 10:32 -0500
                      Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 03:10 +1100
                        Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-16 16:46 +0000
                          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 03:52 +1100
                            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-16 17:04 +0000
                              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2013-12-16 23:12 +0100
                              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python ,   how should i proceed. Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-12-17 11:37 +1300
                                Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python ,   how should i proceed. Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-17 04:27 +0000
                        Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2013-12-16 23:06 +0100
                          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 09:40 +1100
                            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2013-12-17 10:33 +0100
                              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-18 00:19 +1100
                          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-12-16 19:10 -0500
                          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 04:21 +0000
              Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-12-16 21:37 -0800
                Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 16:47 +1100
                Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 05:48 +0000
                  Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-16 23:58 -0800
                    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 08:33 +0000
                      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-17 01:18 -0800
                        Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 09:44 +0000
                    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-17 09:29 +0000
                      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 09:39 +0000
                        Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-17 11:13 +0000
                          Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 13:03 +0000
                            Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-17 06:02 -0800
                              Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-17 06:43 -0800
                                Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 14:52 +0000
                          Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 13:47 +0000
                      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-17 04:19 -0800
                      Fwd: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 05:28 -0800
                Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2013-12-17 09:11 +0100
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-14 13:04 -0700
        Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-15 16:33 +0100
          Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-15 10:19 -0700
          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-12-15 18:52 +0100
            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-17 16:26 +0100
          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-15 17:59 +0000
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Ned Deily <nad@acm.org> - 2013-12-14 12:36 -0800
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-12-14 16:00 -0500
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Jeremy Sanders <jeremy@jeremysanders.net> - 2013-12-16 09:28 +0100
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Tamer Higazi <tameritoke2@arcor.de> - 2013-12-16 02:34 +0200
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-16 01:18 +0000
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Tamer Higazi <tameritoke2@arcor.de> - 2013-12-16 06:09 +0200
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-17 16:07 +0100
        Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-12-17 13:11 -0500
          Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-23 18:59 +0100
            Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-23 11:05 -0800
              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-24 06:14 +1100
              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-23 19:22 +0000
              Please stop the trolling Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-12-23 15:53 -0500
                Re: Please stop the trolling wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-24 02:22 -0800
                  Re: Please stop the trolling Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-24 14:58 +0000
                  Re: Please stop the trolling Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-24 10:28 -0500
                  Re: Please stop the trolling Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-24 15:55 +0000
                  Re: Please stop the trolling Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-24 11:04 -0500
              Re: Please stop the trolling Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-23 23:52 +0000
              Re: Please stop the trolling Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2013-12-26 07:58 +0000
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-15 21:51 -0700
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-17 16:01 +0100
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-15 21:55 -0700
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-15 21:56 -0700
    Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-16 15:57 +1100
    Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-16 16:08 +1100
      Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-17 16:00 +0100
        Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 11:06 -0700
          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-17 11:00 -0800
            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-17 19:33 +0000
            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-18 01:24 -0800
              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-18 16:45 +0000
            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-19 00:10 -0800
              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-19 08:25 +0000
                Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-19 01:10 -0800
                  Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-19 09:23 +0000
          Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-19 16:32 +0100
            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-20 03:20 +1100
            Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , 
 how should i proceed. Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-12-20 01:30 -0500
            Re: Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python ,  how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-20 17:57 +1100
              Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python ,  how should i proceed. Martin Schöön <martin.schoon@gmail.com> - 2013-12-20 17:52 +0000
                Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-20 18:00 +0000
                  Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Martin Schöön <martin.schoon@gmail.com> - 2013-12-21 13:25 +0000
                Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-20 10:34 -0800
    Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-16 09:42 +0000
    Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-16 22:58 +1100
    Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-16 13:58 +0000
    Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@gmail.com> - 2013-12-16 08:34 -0800
      Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-17 16:00 +0100
        Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-17 11:13 -0700
          Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-12-19 16:10 +0100
            Re: GUI:-please answer  want to learn GUI programming in python  , how should i proceed. Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-19 10:22 -0500
    Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed. Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2013-12-23 11:24 -0800

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#62226 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On 12/17/2013 10:07 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:

> On an actual operating system, the attitude of the developers (do they
> actually care or just don't give a darn) is *the* critical issue for
> end-user productivity. If a developer makes a statement such as
> of "just get a faster computer" or "just get more RAM", then (s)he
> probably doesn't give darn. C++ applications, just like Java
> applications, tend to leak horrible amounts of memory these days, just
> because the vendors/developers don't care.

I'll note that Python core developers do care about memory leaks. At 
least one module is tested for memory leaks in a nightly task. When 
found, leaks are patched.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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#62646 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

> > On an actual operating system, the attitude of the developers (do
> > they actually care or just don't give a darn) is *the* critical
> > issue for end-user productivity. If a developer makes a statement
> > such as of "just get a faster computer" or "just get more RAM",
> > then (s)he probably doesn't give darn. C++ applications, just like
> > Java applications, tend to leak horrible amounts of memory these
> > days, just because the vendors/developers don't care.
> 
> I'll note that Python core developers do care about memory leaks.

And that's a really good thing.

But unfortunately, these days, it's rather the exception.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

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#62648 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

Le lundi 23 décembre 2013 18:59:41 UTC+1, Wolfgang Keller a écrit :
> > > On an actual operating system, the attitude of the developers (do
> 
> > > they actually care or just don't give a darn) is *the* critical
> 
> > > issue for end-user productivity. If a developer makes a statement
> 
> > > such as of "just get a faster computer" or "just get more RAM",
> 
> > > then (s)he probably doesn't give darn. C++ applications, just like
> 
> > > Java applications, tend to leak horrible amounts of memory these
> 
> > > days, just because the vendors/developers don't care.
> 
> > 
> 
> > I'll note that Python core developers do care about memory leaks.
> 
> 
> 
> And that's a really good thing.
> 
> 
> 
> But unfortunately, these days, it's rather the exception.
> 
> 

Memory? Let me laugh!

>>> sys.getsizeof('a')
26
>>> sys.getsizeof('€')
40
>>> 40 - 26
14
>>> sys.getsizeof('\U00010000')
44
>>> 44 - 26
18


I'm deeply convinced, one will soon see that
technology in CID font.

jmf

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#62650 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:05 AM,  <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> wrote:
> Memory? Let me laugh!
>

Is it a crime to hijack an already-hijacked thread?

ChrisA

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#62651 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On 23/12/2013 19:14, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:05 AM,  <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Memory? Let me laugh!
>>
>
> Is it a crime to hijack an already-hijacked thread?
>
> ChrisA
>

Yes, especially when written with our favourite bug ridden pile of garbage.

Perhaps we should write up something for the Python wiki so that 
everyone can send double line feeds from any technology, that way 
everybody would feel at home as we'd all be in the same boat.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#62655 — Please stop the trolling

On 12/23/2013 2:05 PM, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:

> Le lundi 23 décembre 2013 18:59:41 UTC+1, Wolfgang Keller a écrit :
>> [me]
>>> I'll note that Python core developers do care about memory leaks.
>> And that's a really good thing.

> Memory? Let me laugh!
[snip repeated (for about the 5th time) posting of single character 
memory sizes]

Jim, since I know you are smart enough to know the different between a 
small fixed size and a continuous leak, I can only think that the 
purpose of your repeated post was to get similarly a inane response from 
a couple of other people. That is the definition of trolling. It is 
disrespectful of others and in my opinion is a violation of the Python 
Code of Conduct, which *does* apply to python-list. Please desist.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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#62673 — Re: Please stop the trolling

Le lundi 23 décembre 2013 21:53:13 UTC+1, Terry Reedy a écrit :
> On 12/23/2013 2:05 PM, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Le lundi 23 décembre 2013 18:59:41 UTC+1, Wolfgang Keller a écrit :
> 
> >> [me]
> 
> >>> I'll note that Python core developers do care about memory leaks.
> 
> >> And that's a really good thing.
> 
> 
> 
> > Memory? Let me laugh!
> 
> [snip repeated (for about the 5th time) posting of single character 
> 
> memory sizes]
> 
> 
> 
> Jim, since I know you are smart enough to know the different between a 
> 
> small fixed size and a continuous leak, I can only think that the 
> 
> purpose of your repeated post was to get similarly a inane response from 
> 
> a couple of other people. That is the definition of trolling. It is 
> 
> disrespectful of others and in my opinion is a violation of the Python 
> 
> Code of Conduct, which *does* apply to python-list. Please desist.
> 
> 


This is gui related.

This code point could have been a grapheme of
a korean glyph (Hangul script) used to to
populate a text widget of a gui toolkit.

jmf

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#62675 — Re: Please stop the trolling

On 24/12/2013 10:22, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:

<sorry folks>

[once again snip double spaced google crap]

>
> This is gui related.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pull_the_other_one,_it%27s_got_bells_on

>
> This code point could have been a grapheme of
> a korean glyph (Hangul script) used to to
> populate a text widget of a gui toolkit.
>
> jmf
>

</sorry folks>

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#62676 — Re: Please stop the trolling

On 12/24/13 9:58 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 24/12/2013 10:22, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:
>
> <sorry folks>
>
> [once again snip double spaced google crap]
>
>>
>> This is gui related.
>
> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pull_the_other_one,_it%27s_got_bells_on
>

This isn't adding anything.  It might even be trolling.

>>
>> This code point could have been a grapheme of
>> a korean glyph (Hangul script) used to to
>> populate a text widget of a gui toolkit.
>>
>> jmf
>>
>
> </sorry folks>
>

No need to apologize, just don't taunt people for amusement.

-- 
Ned Batchelder, http://nedbatchelder.com

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#62678 — Re: Please stop the trolling

On 24/12/2013 15:28, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On 12/24/13 9:58 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>> On 24/12/2013 10:22, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> <sorry folks>
>>
>> [once again snip double spaced google crap]
>>
>>>
>>> This is gui related.
>>
>> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pull_the_other_one,_it%27s_got_bells_on
>>
>
> This isn't adding anything.  It might even be trolling.
>

There is nothing trolling about it.  How "Joseph McCarthy" can expect us 
to believe that he's talking about Guis when Terry has snipped this

 >>> sys.getsizeof('a')
26
 >>> sys.getsizeof('€')
40
 >>> 40 - 26
14
 >>> sys.getsizeof('\U00010000')
44
 >>> 44 - 26
18

leaving only this

Memory? Let me laugh!

is anybody's guess hence my link.

I will repeat, for perhaps the fourth time, that while JM continues his 
malicious attacks on the Python core developers via the nonsense that he 
writes about PEP 393 and the FSR, I will continue to attack him until he 
either shuts up or is shut up, or provides the evidence to support his 
claims.  As the latter can never happen (he's had ample opportunity to 
do so, but strangely never replies to any requests to do just that), it 
will have to be the former by definition.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#62679 — Re: Please stop the trolling

On 12/24/13 10:55 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 24/12/2013 15:28, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>> On 12/24/13 9:58 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>> On 24/12/2013 10:22, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> <sorry folks>
>>>
>>> [once again snip double spaced google crap]
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is gui related.
>>>
>>> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pull_the_other_one,_it%27s_got_bells_on
>>>
>>
>> This isn't adding anything.  It might even be trolling.
>>
>
> There is nothing trolling about it.  How "Joseph McCarthy" can expect us
> to believe that he's talking about Guis when Terry has snipped this
>
>  >>> sys.getsizeof('a')
> 26
>  >>> sys.getsizeof('€')
> 40
>  >>> 40 - 26
> 14
>  >>> sys.getsizeof('\U00010000')
> 44
>  >>> 44 - 26
> 18
>
> leaving only this
>
> Memory? Let me laugh!
>
> is anybody's guess hence my link.
>
> I will repeat, for perhaps the fourth time, that while JM continues his
> malicious attacks on the Python core developers via the nonsense that he
> writes about PEP 393 and the FSR, I will continue to attack him until he
> either shuts up or is shut up, or provides the evidence to support his
> claims.  As the latter can never happen (he's had ample opportunity to
> do so, but strangely never replies to any requests to do just that), it
> will have to be the former by definition.
>

I agree that JM's complaints are baseless and silly.  But they are not 
attacks on people.  Criticizing the product is not criticizing the authors.

You should stop attacking him.  The best way to reduce the noise from JM 
is to ignore him.  Your "defense" of the core developers is at least as 
distracting and detracting from this list's purpose as JM's baseless 
criticisms.

The first step with a troll is to ignore them.

-- 
Ned Batchelder, http://nedbatchelder.com

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#62657 — Re: Please stop the trolling

On 23/12/2013 20:53, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 12/23/2013 2:05 PM, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Le lundi 23 décembre 2013 18:59:41 UTC+1, Wolfgang Keller a écrit :
>>> [me]
>>>> I'll note that Python core developers do care about memory leaks.
>>> And that's a really good thing.
>
>> Memory? Let me laugh!
> [snip repeated (for about the 5th time) posting of single character
> memory sizes]
>
> Jim, since I know you are smart enough to know the different between a
> small fixed size and a continuous leak, I can only think that the
> purpose of your repeated post was to get similarly a inane response from
> a couple of other people. That is the definition of trolling. It is
> disrespectful of others and in my opinion is a violation of the Python
> Code of Conduct, which *does* apply to python-list. Please desist.
>

Thanks for this Terry.  I was sorely tempted earlier to say something 
but managed to keep control of myself.  Now I'll be keeping quiet and 
let Jim speak for himself.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#62732 — Re: Please stop the trolling

On 23 December 2013 20:53, Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> wrote:
> On 12/23/2013 2:05 PM, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Le lundi 23 décembre 2013 18:59:41 UTC+1, Wolfgang Keller a écrit :
>>>
>>> [me]
>>>>
>>>> I'll note that Python core developers do care about memory leaks.
>>>
>>> And that's a really good thing.
>
>> Memory? Let me laugh!
>
> [snip repeated (for about the 5th time) posting of single character memory
> sizes]
>
> Jim, since I know you are smart enough to know the different between a small
> fixed size and a continuous leak, I can only think that the purpose of your
> repeated post was to get similarly a inane response from a couple of other
> people. That is the definition of trolling. It is disrespectful of others
> and in my opinion is a violation of the Python Code of Conduct, which *does*
> apply to python-list. Please desist.

Agreed;
It's also a shame that it's so easy for such diversions to snowball so
often, and thus derail so many threads. Sometimes I feel that we have
so much trolling on this list because we're easy targets.

Nonetheless, I join in to ask jmf to stop posting these threads as
they do cause harm to the community. If you do not, I would rather
some form of moderating be applied.

A thanks to everyone who hasn't been so easily caught up in this malarky.

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#61998 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On 12/15/2013 05:34 PM, Tamer Higazi wrote:
> For wxPython there is a good book.
> You will feel convinient.
> 
> 
> But to be honest, I don't believe that Python is the best choice for GUI 
> development, but it's only an opinion.
> Otherwise I would advise you going into C++ and code with wxWidgets.

Perhaps this is because the wx binding in Python is too C++-like and
lacks python concepts and idioms?  Or are you saying Python in general
is not a good language for GUI development?

GUI design is moving firmly into the realm of interpreted or
non-compiled languages, with compiled languages often doing the real
back end work.  For example Firefox implements its entire GUI in
Javascript using XML GUI definitions.  This all drives a C-based
rendering engine.  Also Qt 5 emphasizes developing GUIs using QtQuick,
which is also Javascript-based with XML and CSS for styling.  And all
modern web apps are a combination of many languages and domains, most of
which are "compiled" in the traditional sense.

I think Python is a great overall application development language,
especially for the GUI.  First-class functions for callbacks make it
very nice compared to other languages.  Python  is fast enough for
full-blown apps too.  Slow parts can be factored out to other languages.

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#62199 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

> For example Firefox implements its entire GUI in
> Javascript using XML GUI definitions.

Which has made Firefox essentially unusable because it will fall into
koma ("Not Responding") for minutes upon almost each and every
mouseclick. Unfortunately I don't know any significantly better
alternatives.

> And all modern web apps are a combination of many languages and
> domains, most of which are "compiled" in the traditional sense.

"Web apps" are the most efficient way I know of to make users who have
to get actual work done as inefficient as possible. It's especially an
extremely effective way, together with Firefox's "responsiveness", to
make any operating system as obscenely unusable as Windows.
 
Sincerely,

Wolfgang

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#61999 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On 12/15/2013 09:09 PM, Tamer Higazi wrote:
> However, I believe according wxWidgets it would be better coding in the 
> native language the system had been developed.
> The other thing, specially if you would make a customer project, I don't 
> know how to pack the app written in python in an installer. Perhaps I am 
> wrong, and you could give me in exchange an advise ?!

Nonsense.  That's what an installer on windows is for, or what a package
on Linux is for.  There are also ways to bundle up everything you need
to run a Python app in a single exe file.

Ever take a look at the e-book manager, Calibre?  It's 90% Python.  You
can install it on Windows like any other app.  If you're curious as to
how they do things, you can always contact their developers.

> I also believe in performance. An application written in C++, can be 
> compiled easily on the target platform (like on windows systems) with 
> it's native compiler.
> How would it be with wxPython ?!

It would probably perform just fine.  Anything that can't get enough
speed to run in Python can easily be delegated to native libraries or
subroutines.

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#62000 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On 12/15/2013 09:51 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> And all modern web apps are a combination of many languages and
> domains, most of which are "compiled" in the traditional sense.
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Meant to say, *not* compiled.

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#62002 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Tamer Higazi <tameritoke2@arcor.de> wrote:
> I also believe in performance. An application written in C++, can be
> compiled easily on the target platform (like on windows systems) with it's
> native compiler.
> How would it be with wxPython ?!

It's going to spend more than 99% of its time waiting for the user.
Most applications aren't performance-bound. Over the past few years, I
can think of *one* case when my GUI program was actually saturating a
CPU core and I had to dig into a performance fault; the simplistic
design had meant that it would iterate over an entire list of strings
to find which ones it needed to draw, and once that list got huge, the
redraw operation started taking time. But there was no visible problem
except when the app was redrawing itself many times a second in
response to user action AND the set of strings got, as I said, huge.
Every other part of that program, and all of every other GUI
interactive program I've written in recent years, has been coded for
simplicity and not for performance. (This particular example is
actually quite pertinent, as it's the "designated replacement" for a
very similar program written in C++. The C++ one has a tendency to
crash hard if user code does the wrong thing, as there is absolutely
no protection anywhere, while the new code will, at very worst, spew a
traceback and then go back to processing events.)

Of course, performance is a relative thing. If you're running on a PC,
there's no difference at all between taking 1ms and taking 2ms - no
human will notice. But if you're running on a server, that's the
difference between 1000tps and 500tps. And on a phone, that CPU usage
might have an impact on battery life, and running on a tiny PCB the
same coding difference might be the difference between 400ms and
800ms. But in the day-to-day realm of desktop apps, maintainable code
will always be better than marginally faster code.

ChrisA

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#62004 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think Python is a great overall application development language,
> especially for the GUI.  First-class functions for callbacks make it
> very nice compared to other languages.  Python  is fast enough for
> full-blown apps too.  Slow parts can be factored out to other languages.

Python is sooooooo slow when it waits for the human. That pesky
input() function can take *minutes* to return. It's terrible! Factor
that out and your job's done.

And yeah. First-class functions *rock*. ECMAScript is almost there -
not supremely, perhaps, but oh so "all-but"! [1] A function can retain
all sorts of state by being a closure, and yet somehow it doesn't
retain the state of which 'this' (in Python terms, 'self') it should
reference. Why? I don't know. But it's part of the spec now, so
callbacks have to take a function and a context.

var func=document.getElementById;
var foo=func("foo"); /* Won't work */

function funcgen(obj)
{
    return function(desc) {return obj.getElementById(desc);}
}
var func=funcgen(document);
var foo=func("foo"); /* Will work! */

In Python, the simple and obvious thing works, because there's less
magic. The incantation "obj.member" followed by the incantation
"callable(args)" has exactly the same meaning as "obj.method(args)".

ChrisA

[1] http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/patience/webop/pat16d.html

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#62198 — Re: GUI:-please answer want to learn GUI programming in python , how should i proceed.

> Python is sooooooo slow when it waits for the human.

With Windows systems, I waste something like 90% of my work time waiting
for that system to stop "Not Responding".

And no, it's not a matter of hardware.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

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