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  Re: Illegal suggestions on python list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-05 08:30 +1000
    Re: Illegal suggestions on python list zoom <zoom@yahoo.com> - 2013-07-05 08:47 +0200
      Re: Illegal suggestions on python list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-05 17:18 +1000
        Re: Illegal suggestions on python list Νίκος Gr33k <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-05 10:23 +0300
          Re: Illegal suggestions on python list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-05 17:34 +1000
          Re: Illegal suggestions on python list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-06 15:43 +1000
          Re: Illegal suggestions on python list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-06 05:40 +0100

#49907 — Re: Illegal suggestions on python list

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>>
>> Which crime is that? Presumably you mean an actual criminal felony, not a
>> mere civil offence. Under which jurisdiction?
>>
>> If piracy is a crime, and not just a civil offence, then surely so is
>> libel.
>
> You've got your OO class hierarchy mixed up and then imposing that on me.
>
> See
> http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/crimes-felonies-misdemeanors-infractions-classification-33814.html
>
> I did not say or suggest felony.
> Maybe misdemeanor or infarction. Dunno which. IANAL...

The specific terms don't really matter here, but in most
jurisdictions, "felony" will be a term that unambiguously refers to a
crime against the law, as distinct from what Steven is comparing
against, civil damages.

If I shoot you dead, I have committed murder. This is a crime.

If I put up a sign saying "Entrance to <your business name>" over my
own door, next to yours, then I have committed no crime, but you can
sue me in civil court for your loss of business resulting from my
action.

Whether one of them is classed as a felony in some jurisdiction or not
doesn't matter, what matters is that one is simply not a crime.
Violating a license agreement usually is not a crime (and if done in
good faith, is often considered a bug to be fixed, not a suit to be
pressed - but that does NOT apply here), hence the analogies to
criminal action somewhat break down.

That said, though, offering in public to rip someone off is just as
unwise as offering in public to commit a crime.

ChrisA

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#49927

On 07/05/2013 12:30 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Rustom Mody<rustompmody@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Steven D'Aprano
>> <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Which crime is that? Presumably you mean an actual criminal felony, not a
>>> mere civil offence. Under which jurisdiction?
>>>
>>> If piracy is a crime, and not just a civil offence, then surely so is
>>> libel.
>>
>> You've got your OO class hierarchy mixed up and then imposing that on me.
>>
>> See
>> http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/crimes-felonies-misdemeanors-infractions-classification-33814.html
>>
>> I did not say or suggest felony.
>> Maybe misdemeanor or infarction. Dunno which. IANAL...
>
> The specific terms don't really matter here, but in most
> jurisdictions, "felony" will be a term that unambiguously refers to a
> crime against the law, as distinct from what Steven is comparing
> against, civil damages.
>
> If I shoot you dead, I have committed murder. This is a crime.
>
> If I put up a sign saying "Entrance to<your business name>" over my
> own door, next to yours, then I have committed no crime, but you can
> sue me in civil court for your loss of business resulting from my
> action.
>
> Whether one of them is classed as a felony in some jurisdiction or not
> doesn't matter, what matters is that one is simply not a crime.
> Violating a license agreement usually is not a crime (and if done in
> good faith, is often considered a bug to be fixed, not a suit to be
> pressed - but that does NOT apply here), hence the analogies to
> criminal action somewhat break down.
>
> That said, though, offering in public to rip someone off is just as
> unwise as offering in public to commit a crime.
>
> ChrisA

Probably...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#JSTOR

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#49935

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:47 PM, zoom <zoom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Probably...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#JSTOR

Things are always more complicated than any simple Usenet post can do
justice to, and it'll often come down to who has the biggest legal
budget. Since he was never actually found guilty (or so a cursory
reading of that Wikipedia page suggests), that can't really be taken
as proof; anyone can be charged with anything if someone can trump up
some plausible evidence (no, I'm not completely cynical, why do you
ask?), but that doesn't make walking and chewing gum at the same time
a crime.

Anyway, this is all technicalities; it's still unwise to advocate
legally and/or morally shady actions in public. You never know what
people will find back years later.

ChrisA

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#49936

Στις 5/7/2013 10:18 πμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε:
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:47 PM, zoom <zoom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Probably...
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#JSTOR
>
> Things are always more complicated than any simple Usenet post can do
> justice to, and it'll often come down to who has the biggest legal
> budget. Since he was never actually found guilty (or so a cursory
> reading of that Wikipedia page suggests), that can't really be taken
> as proof; anyone can be charged with anything if someone can trump up
> some plausible evidence (no, I'm not completely cynical, why do you
> ask?), but that doesn't make walking and chewing gum at the same time
> a crime.
>
> Anyway, this is all technicalities; it's still unwise to advocate
> legally and/or morally shady actions in public. You never know what
> people will find back years later.
>
> ChrisA


Chris i just wanted to offer some help to you guys because i received a 
lot for help here myself.

It was my way to contribute to the people here.
Of course i shouldn't have proposed that because yes its like ripping 
the company off.

Of course we all know that a serial/patch/keygen/crack can be found for 
this great edit very easily on warez or torrentz sites so it was like a 
common secret to all of us.

I just wanted to make things easy and felt like helping.
I wont post something like that again though.


-- 
What is now proved was at first only imagined!

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#49940

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Νίκος Gr33k <nikos@superhost.gr> wrote:
> Chris i just wanted to offer some help to you guys because i received a lot
> for help here myself.

Hey guys, I really appreciate what you've done, so here's what I'll
do: I'm robbing the Last National Bank on Tuesday, and you can all
join me!

> It was my way to contribute to the people here.
> Of course i shouldn't have proposed that because yes its like ripping the
> company off.
>
> Of course we all know that a serial/patch/keygen/crack can be found for this
> great edit very easily on warez or torrentz sites so it was like a common
> secret to all of us.

Actually no, I don't know that that's available. And if we all know,
why bother saying it?

Mind you, I can't honestly say that I've *never* bypassed a pay-for
system. But I would not suggest it about something that I like and
want to encourage (as you seem to with this editor), and if I'm going
to say something in public, it's going to be worded carefully -
something like this:

http://rosuav.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/ea-games-dont-buy-from-them.html

And that's the strongest I'll ever get on the subject, and only there
because I have a VERY strong dislike for their actions.

ChrisA

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#50045

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Joshua Landau
<joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5 July 2013 08:34, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Νίκος Gr33k <nikos@superhost.gr> wrote:
>>> Of course we all know that a serial/patch/keygen/crack can be found for this
>>> great edit very easily on warez or torrentz sites so it was like a common
>>> secret to all of us.
>>
>> Actually no, I don't know that that's available.
>
> Seriously? I thought you had internet access...

Not exactly, no... didn't you know? I'm an entity created by the
internet itself in order to program it. I AM SKYNET!

At least, that's what people say on Threshold RPG, since I'm so
constantly online. Maybe that doesn't apply here. Can I be a real
person in one place and a construct of the internet in another? This
is deeeeeep....

ChrisA

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#50135

On 5 July 2013 08:34, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Νίκος Gr33k <nikos@superhost.gr> wrote:
>> Of course we all know that a serial/patch/keygen/crack can be found for this
>> great edit very easily on warez or torrentz sites so it was like a common
>> secret to all of us.
>
> Actually no, I don't know that that's available.

Seriously? I thought you had internet access...

/onlyhalfjoking

/alsoNikosjustbuyitgoddamnit

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