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| Started by | Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2011-12-17 06:38 -0800 |
| Last post | 2011-12-28 04:04 -0800 |
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Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-17 06:38 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-17 17:00 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2011-12-17 12:14 -0500
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 04:18 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-17 12:11 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-17 23:20 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-18 00:59 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 13:45 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-18 03:33 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2011-12-17 22:59 -0500
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 15:05 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Evan Driscoll <edriscoll@wisc.edu> - 2011-12-17 21:03 -0600
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-18 08:46 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Evan Driscoll <edriscoll@wisc.edu> - 2011-12-17 21:08 -0600
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 14:42 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Evan Driscoll <edriscoll@wisc.edu> - 2011-12-17 22:43 -0600
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 16:00 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 06:13 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-18 17:03 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 09:40 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax buck <workitharder@gmail.com> - 2011-12-17 20:52 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 16:21 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Evan Driscoll <edriscoll@wisc.edu> - 2011-12-17 23:33 -0600
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-18 07:31 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 19:43 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2011-12-18 08:58 -0500
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 01:06 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Evan Driscoll <edriscoll@wisc.edu> - 2011-12-18 13:56 -0600
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2011-12-19 15:23 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-18 08:36 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Evan Driscoll <edriscoll@wisc.edu> - 2011-12-18 13:47 -0600
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-19 01:26 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 18:16 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 15:57 -0600
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2011-12-19 19:30 -0500
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 19:41 -0600
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 19:38 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 22:04 -0600
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-20 20:51 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 20:00 -0700
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-19 03:36 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 06:35 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Evan Driscoll <edriscoll@wisc.edu> - 2011-12-18 14:20 -0600
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 18:23 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 15:35 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 19:31 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-20 15:10 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 02:15 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 19:30 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-24 06:39 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2011-12-24 16:24 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2011-12-24 17:01 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-25 06:45 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-25 13:12 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-25 07:38 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-26 03:23 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-26 12:58 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-27 08:05 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-26 14:12 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-27 09:37 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-25 17:05 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-26 13:41 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-27 22:57 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-28 03:57 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 17:04 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 16:59 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 02:20 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 19:35 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-20 05:47 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 22:39 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2011-12-20 11:58 +0200
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-24 06:45 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-25 02:01 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-24 09:23 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-25 04:51 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-25 12:50 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-25 06:59 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-24 06:41 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Neal Becker <ndbecker2@gmail.com> - 2011-12-21 10:48 -0500
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-24 06:47 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-25 01:57 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-24 09:21 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-25 13:13 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-25 07:47 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-27 23:10 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2011-12-27 17:11 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-28 04:05 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-28 15:06 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-28 06:25 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-28 18:08 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-28 04:08 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2011-12-29 09:29 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-29 03:55 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-29 13:23 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-29 06:20 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 10:24 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 10:30 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2011-12-21 08:33 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Evan Driscoll <edriscoll@wisc.edu> - 2011-12-17 23:54 -0600
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 06:23 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2011-12-18 16:57 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Neal Becker <ndbecker2@gmail.com> - 2011-12-22 06:49 -0500
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-22 13:12 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-23 00:30 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> - 2011-12-22 15:13 +0100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-23 01:30 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2011-12-22 10:06 -0500
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-24 06:54 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-25 12:45 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-25 06:55 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-25 16:15 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-26 12:39 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-27 08:01 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-26 13:51 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-27 09:27 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-26 15:44 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-12-27 11:52 +1100
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-27 02:01 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-01-02 18:38 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-01-02 21:39 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-01-02 23:01 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2012-01-03 03:21 -0800
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-27 23:07 +0000
Re: Pythonification of the asterisk-based collection packing/unpacking syntax Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> - 2011-12-28 04:04 -0800
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| From | alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-01-02 23:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <abcf2fc8-a71f-4e27-98c2-53987304705b@l18g2000pro.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #18374 |
On Jan 3, 3:39 pm, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's NOT a fork Alex. It IS in fact the next logical step in Python's > future evolution. Link to the repo please, or STFU.
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| From | Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-01-03 03:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ba8db47b-1098-4f5d-b250-9b1b2ba5b393@k28g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #18366 |
On Jan 3, 3:38 am, alex23 <wuwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 27 2011, 8:01 pm, Eelco <hoogendoorn.ee...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > But I consider it a reasonable change for a > > 'python 4', or whatever the next major version change will be called. > > You do realise there were 8 years between 2 & 3? You might be waiting > for quite some time. Yes, I realize this discussion is quite theoretical in nature. Some of the more 'emotionally engaged' participants might do well to keep that in mind as well. > Conversely, you could pitch in behind Rick Johnson's Python 4000 fork, > I sure it's progressing nicely given how long Rick has been talking it > up. Would you be so kind as to leave your personal feuds at the door? > > Writing a code-conversion tool to convert from *args to args::tuple > > would be quite easy indeed. > > You might want to ask people maintaining libraries in both 2.x & 3.x > via 2to3 just how well that's working out for them. If the impact of > changes was trivially obvious, the programming landscape would look > very different indeed. Of course if a conversion tool falters on even a single construct, automated conversion is not going to be reliable, and thats going to be a pain. But whatever python 4 will be like, its not going to be backwards compatible by definition; and at least I dont think this proposed change will contribute to the trouble of conversion between the two. It is really quite a superficial syntax tweak.
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2011-12-27 23:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4efa4fab$0$29973$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #17983 |
On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:51:50 -0800, Eelco wrote: [...] >> If your point is that parens are used more often than >> packing/unpacking, that's almost certainly true, since function calls >> (including method invocations) are so prevalent in pretty much any >> code. But what does that prove? > > That proves the original point of contention: that the below* is > suboptimal language design, Well duh. I was mocking the idea that the meaning of * is context-dependent is a bad thing by pointing out that we accept context-dependent meaning for round brackets () without any difficulties. Of course it is "suboptimal language design" -- it couldn't fail to be. Context-dependency is not necessarily a bad thing. > not because terseness always trumps > verbosity, but because commonly-used constructs (such as parenthesis or > round brackets or whatever you wish to call them) Parentheses are not a construct. They are symbols (punctuation marks) which are applied to at least three different constructs: grouping, function calls, class inheritance lists. > are more deserving of > the limited space in both the ascii table and your reflexive memory, > than uncommonly used ones. Right. And since sequence packing and unpacking is a common idiom, it deserves to be given punctuation. That's my opinion. -- Steven
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| From | Eelco <hoogendoorn.eelco@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-12-28 04:04 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e344688a-0777-4232-b80c-92941b07780f@q11g2000vbq.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #18075 |
On Dec 28, 12:07 am, Steven D'Aprano <steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:51:50 -0800, Eelco wrote: > > [...] > > >> If your point is that parens are used more often than > >> packing/unpacking, that's almost certainly true, since function calls > >> (including method invocations) are so prevalent in pretty much any > >> code. But what does that prove? > > > That proves the original point of contention: that the below* is > > suboptimal language design, > > Well duh. This is where the referee should interrupt you for snipping someones citation right before a 'but' > I was mocking the idea that the meaning of * is context-dependent is a > bad thing by pointing out that we accept context-dependent meaning for > round brackets () without any difficulties. Of course it is "suboptimal > language design" -- it couldn't fail to be. Context-dependency is not > necessarily a bad thing. You know, so you dont end up simply restating my point while trying to make it seem like you disagree. > > not because terseness always trumps > > verbosity, but because commonly-used constructs (such as parenthesis or > > round brackets or whatever you wish to call them) > > Parentheses are not a construct. They are symbols (punctuation marks) > which are applied to at least three different constructs: grouping, > function calls, class inheritance lists. Parenthesis encompass a class of constructs. Happy now? > > are more deserving of > > the limited space in both the ascii table and your reflexive memory, > > than uncommonly used ones. > > Right. And since sequence packing and unpacking is a common idiom, it > deserves to be given punctuation. That's my opinion. Its a valid opinion. But if we are going to be quantitative about terms such as 'common', you know that there will be at least an order of magnitude difference between these constructs in commonality, if not two. Thats what makes your example a poor one. If you could verbosify a construct of the same commonality and arrive at equally absurd code, you would have a point.
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