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  Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-28 05:52 -0800
    Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-29 00:58 +1100
      Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-28 06:17 -0800
        Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-29 01:25 +1100
          Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-28 07:04 -0800
            Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-29 02:08 +1100
              Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-28 15:50 +0000
                Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-28 08:22 -0800
                  Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-28 16:33 +0000
              Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-28 15:49 +0000
              Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-28 15:49 +0000
              Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-28 15:50 +0000
                Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-28 11:43 -0500
                  Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-29 04:29 +1100
                  Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-12-02 13:03 +0000
                    Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-12-02 08:29 -0500
                      Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-12-02 14:04 +0000
                        Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-02 09:11 -0800
                          Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-02 17:48 +0000
                          Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-03 04:54 +1100
                          Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-02 18:07 +0000
                      Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-12-02 19:56 -0500
                  Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-12-02 19:54 -0500
                  Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-02 18:17 -0700
                    Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-12-02 20:43 -0500
                      Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-02 18:27 -0800
                      Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-12-02 20:09 -0700
                        Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-02 19:26 -0800
                    Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-03 04:27 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-03 18:01 +1100
                    Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-12-03 16:30 +1000
                      Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-03 07:13 +0000
                        Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-12-04 10:23 +1000
                          Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-12-04 14:34 +0000
                          Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-04 15:21 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-03 12:09 +0000
            Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-11-28 08:40 -0700
            Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Travis Griggs <travisgriggs@gmail.com> - 2013-11-28 08:23 -0800
            Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-28 12:23 -0500
            Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-11-28 11:29 -0700
              Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-28 10:37 -0800
                Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-28 11:00 -0800
                  Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-11-28 12:55 -0700
                Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-11-28 19:40 +0000
                Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-11-28 11:50 -0700
                  Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Arif Khokar <akhokar1234@wvu.edu> - 2013-11-28 19:46 -0500
                    Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-29 14:41 +0000
                    Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-29 16:17 +0000
                    Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2013-12-04 11:38 +1100
                      Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-03 17:39 -0800
                        Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-04 13:03 +1100
                        Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2013-12-05 09:47 +1100
                          Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-05 23:42 -0800
                Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-11-28 20:39 +0000
            Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-28 16:41 -0500
              Re: Managing Google Groups headaches pecore@pascolo.net - 2013-11-30 14:25 +0100
                Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2013-12-04 11:40 +1100
                  Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-04 15:50 +0000
                    Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-04 16:07 +0000
                    Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-04 11:21 -0500
                    Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-04 16:33 +0000
            Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Zero Piraeus <z@etiol.net> - 2013-11-28 13:29 -0300
              Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-29 16:15 +0000
            Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-11-28 17:32 -0500
            Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-11-28 17:44 -0500
            Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-29 14:39 +0000
    Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-28 10:13 -0800
      Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> - 2013-12-04 09:52 -0500
        Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-12-04 19:58 -0500
          Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-05 23:13 -0800
            Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-12-06 02:36 -0500
              Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-06 05:03 -0800
                Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-07 00:19 +1100
                  Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-06 05:32 -0800
                    Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-07 00:48 +1100
                      Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-06 06:11 -0800
                        Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-07 01:51 +1100
                ASCII and Unicode [was Re: Managing Google Groups headaches] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-06 19:00 +0000
                  Re: ASCII and Unicode [was Re: Managing Google Groups headaches] Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2013-12-06 14:34 -0500
                  Re: ASCII and Unicode [was Re: Managing Google Groups headaches] Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-12-06 20:54 +0000
                  Re: ASCII and Unicode [was Re: Managing Google Groups headaches] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-07 10:42 +1100
                  Re: ASCII and Unicode [was Re: Managing Google Groups headaches] rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-06 18:33 -0800
                    Re: ASCII and Unicode [was Re: Managing Google Groups headaches] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-07 13:41 +1100
                      Re: ASCII and Unicode [was Re: Managing Google Groups headaches] rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-06 19:16 -0800
                        Re: ASCII and Unicode [was Re: Managing Google Groups headaches] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-07 15:08 +1100
                    Re: ASCII and Unicode [was Re: Managing Google Groups headaches] MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-12-07 03:19 +0000
                  Re: ASCII and Unicode giacomo boffi <pecore@pascolo.net> - 2013-12-07 17:05 +0100
                    Re: ASCII and Unicode rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-08 08:41 -0800
                    Re: ASCII and Unicode Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-08 17:22 +0000
                      Re: ASCII and Unicode rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-08 09:39 -0800
                      Re: ASCII and Unicode giacomo boffi <pecore@pascolo.net> - 2013-12-08 21:11 +0100
                        Re: ASCII and Unicode rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-08 19:02 -0800
                Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-12-07 12:27 +1300
                Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-06 21:24 -0500
                  Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-06 23:43 -0800
                    Re: Managing Google Groups headaches wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-07 02:16 -0800
                      Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-07 11:25 +0000
                        Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-07 22:49 +1100
                      Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-12-07 11:08 -0500
                        Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Rotwang <sg552@hotmail.co.uk> - 2013-12-07 16:15 +0000
                        Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-12-07 10:19 -0600
                      Re: Managing Google Groups headaches rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-12-07 08:27 -0800
                        Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-07 12:04 -0500
            Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-07 03:07 +0000
              Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-12-06 22:40 -0500
      Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-05 02:46 +1100
      Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Travis Griggs <travisgriggs@gmail.com> - 2013-12-04 08:31 -0800

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#60686 — Managing Google Groups headaches

This silly google-groups does not reflect changed subject lines!!
That means that GG users who may want to read this may not see it.
So reposting as a new thread:
--------------------------------------
Here's what I do to manage the GG-headaches:

1. Firefox needs to have the "Its all text" addon installed
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/its-all-text/

2. Set the editor in "Its all text" to emacs
   [You can use anything… including pure python… more on that below]

3. Put the following into your emacs init
-----------------
;; Clean up Google Groups extra newlines containing only "> "

(defun clean-gg ()
  (interactive)
  (replace-regexp "^> *\n> *\n> *$" "-=\=-" nil 0 (point-max))
  (flush-lines "> *$" 0 (point-max))
  (replace-regexp "-=\=-" "" nil 0 (point-max))
;  (save-buffers-kill-terminal t)
)


(global-set-key (kbd "<f9>") 'clean-gg)

;(push 'clean-gg find-file-hook)
----------------

Now firefox will show a small new "edit" edit button in the text window.
Clicking that puts you into emacs with the text of the message.

F9 will cleanup the double-spaces.

Depending on whether you are comfortable with emacs or not you can do 
either of:

1. Continue editing in emacs.
   M-q and/or auto-fill-mode will clean up long-line paras
   Save-quit will put you back into firefox with cleaned up text

2. Not comfortable with emacs? Just F9 and save-quit will get you back
   to emacs with cleaned up double-spaced text.
   The long lines problem remains in this case.

Dont like emacs?

1. If you know how to write similar code for vi (or whatever) you are
   set.
2. You can also setup emacs to cleanup and close immediately
3. You can also setup your 'editor' to be a pure python script
   [Ive not got round to doing it because I'm not sure how to
   catch-report errors in a proper cross-platform way.]
4. If you are a javascript/greasemonkey expert I guess you can convert
   the emacs-code to JS/GM code and that would be a zero-click
   solution.

Usually use emacs? (ie have it running usually)
You may prefer emacsclient to emacs for the editor.
It will be more instantaneous.

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#60687

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:52 AM, rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's what I do to manage the GG-headaches:

Useful tips, I am sure, but they solve the problem only for you.
Everyone who reads python-list/c.l.p will have to implement equivalent
patches. Every archive of the newsgroup or mailing list suffers from
the same problems, too, and it's not going to be easy to solve that
for people.

The true solution is either to fix Google Groups or to not use it.

ChrisA

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#60689

On Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:28:14 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:52 AM, rusi  wrote:
> > Here's what I do to manage the GG-headaches:

> Useful tips, I am sure, but they solve the problem only for you.
> Everyone who reads python-list/c.l.p will have to implement equivalent
> patches. Every archive of the newsgroup or mailing list suffers from
> the same problems, too, and it's not going to be easy to solve that
> for people.

The problems with GG as I understand are
1. Double spacing
2. Long lines

As far as I can see both are cured with the method outlined.
If its not for others and only for me, I'd like to know.
That 2 is a problem was only brought to my notice recently.
And so my fix for it is recent.

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#60691

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:17 AM, rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
> The problems with GG as I understand are
> 1. Double spacing
> 2. Long lines
>
> As far as I can see both are cured with the method outlined.
> If its not for others and only for me, I'd like to know.
> That 2 is a problem was only brought to my notice recently.
> And so my fix for it is recent.

Yes. Those are the problems. Are you suggesting this as a way to post
via GG without it being a nuisance, or to read news without seeing
those problems? If the former, it is surely far FAR easier to just
read and write mail on python-list, or use Thunderbird, or somesuch,
than to go through these hoops just to be able to keep using buggy
software. People won't do it. And if the latter, well, that's my point
about it solving things only for you.

In fact, either way, it solves things only for you. The problem is
that there are a huge number of users who are not you.

ChrisA

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#60692

On Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:55:52 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:17 AM, rusi wrote:
> > The problems with GG as I understand are
> > 1. Double spacing
> > 2. Long lines
> > As far as I can see both are cured with the method outlined.
> > If its not for others and only for me, I'd like to know.
> > That 2 is a problem was only brought to my notice recently.
> > And so my fix for it is recent.

> Yes. Those are the problems. Are you suggesting this as a way to post
> via GG without it being a nuisance, or to read news without seeing
> those problems? 

The former.

> If the former, it is surely far FAR easier to just
> read and write mail on python-list, or use Thunderbird, or somesuch,
> than to go through these hoops just to be able to keep using buggy
> software.

Its a one time setup -- as is thunderbird.

Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the problems
of GG are obviated.

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#60694

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the problems
> of GG are obviated.

Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
reasonably on Google Groups, or just getting a better client? With
your setup, you have to drop out to another editor and press F9 for it
to work. With pretty much any other newsreader on the planet, this
works straight off, no setup necessary.

I'm still going to advise people to stop using buggy rubbish.

ChrisA

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#60696

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:08:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the problems
>> of GG are obviated.
> 
> Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
> reasonably on Google Groups, or just getting a better client? With your
> setup, you have to drop out to another editor and press F9 for it to
> work. With pretty much any other newsreader on the planet, this works
> straight off, no setup necessary.
> 
> I'm still going to advise people to stop using buggy rubbish.
> 
> ChrisA

Whilst I agree with Chris A's main points I would at least say thankyou 
for :-

A) finding a solution that works for you.
B) Posting it so that others can try it to see if it works for them.

Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google with bug 
reports (preferably typed with extra long lines & double spaced as that 
is clearly what they are used to & we would not want to upset them would 
we? )




-- 
It is better for civilization to be going down the drain than to be 
coming up it.
		-- Henry Allen

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#60703

On Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:20:39 PM UTC+5:30, Alister wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:08:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:

> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi  wrote:
> >> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the problems
> >> of GG are obviated.
> > Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
> > reasonably on Google Groups, or just getting a better client? With your
> > setup, you have to drop out to another editor and press F9 for it to
> > work. With pretty much any other newsreader on the planet, this works
> > straight off, no setup necessary.
> > I'm still going to advise people to stop using buggy rubbish.
> > ChrisA

> Whilst I agree with Chris A's main points I would at least say thankyou 
> for :-

Well thanks for the thanks :-)


> A) finding a solution that works for you.
> B) Posting it so that others can try it to see if it works for them.

> Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google with bug 
> reports (preferably typed with extra long lines & double spaced as that 
> is clearly what they are used to & we would not want to upset them would 
> we? )

If that has even a small likelihood of succeeding I heartily support
it.  My impression is its been done with no result -- Usenet is too
fringe and obsolete a technology for Google to bother.

On a different note your message has arrived 4 times.
What client did you use?

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#60706

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:22:27 -0800, rusi wrote:

> On Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:20:39 PM UTC+5:30, Alister wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:08:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> 
>> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi  wrote:
>> >> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the
>> >> problems of GG are obviated.
>> > Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
>> > reasonably on Google Groups, or just getting a better client? With
>> > your setup, you have to drop out to another editor and press F9 for
>> > it to work. With pretty much any other newsreader on the planet, this
>> > works straight off, no setup necessary.
>> > I'm still going to advise people to stop using buggy rubbish.
>> > ChrisA
> 
>> Whilst I agree with Chris A's main points I would at least say thankyou
>> for :-
> 
> Well thanks for the thanks :-)
> 
> 
>> A) finding a solution that works for you.
>> B) Posting it so that others can try it to see if it works for them.
> 
>> Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google with bug
>> reports (preferably typed with extra long lines & double spaced as that
>> is clearly what they are used to & we would not want to upset them
>> would we? )
> 
> If that has even a small likelihood of succeeding I heartily support it.
>  My impression is its been done with no result -- Usenet is too fringe
> and obsolete a technology for Google to bother.
> 
> On a different note your message has arrived 4 times.
> What client did you use?

I thought I had resolved that last week (using Pan under linux)



-- 
A bureaucrat's idea of cleaning up his files is to make a copy of 
everything
before he destroys it.

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#60699

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:08:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the problems
>> of GG are obviated.
> 
> Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
> reasonably on Google Groups, or just getting a better client? With your
> setup, you have to drop out to another editor and press F9 for it to
> work. With pretty much any other newsreader on the planet, this works
> straight off, no setup necessary.
> 
> I'm still going to advise people to stop using buggy rubbish.
> 
> ChrisA

Whilst I agree with Chris A's main points I would at least say thankyou 
for :-

A) finding a solution that works for you.
B) Posting it so that others can try it to see if it works for them.

Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google with bug 
reports (preferably typed with extra long lines & double spaced as that 
is clearly what they are used to & we would not want to upset them would 
we? )




-- 
It is better for civilization to be going down the drain than to be 
coming up it.
		-- Henry Allen

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#60700

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:08:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the problems
>> of GG are obviated.
> 
> Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
> reasonably on Google Groups, or just getting a better client? With your
> setup, you have to drop out to another editor and press F9 for it to
> work. With pretty much any other newsreader on the planet, this works
> straight off, no setup necessary.
> 
> I'm still going to advise people to stop using buggy rubbish.
> 
> ChrisA

Whilst I agree with Chris A's main points I would at least say thankyou 
for :-

A) finding a solution that works for you.
B) Posting it so that others can try it to see if it works for them.

Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google with bug 
reports (preferably typed with extra long lines & double spaced as that 
is clearly what they are used to & we would not want to upset them would 
we? )




-- 
It is better for civilization to be going down the drain than to be 
coming up it.
		-- Henry Allen

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#60701

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 02:08:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM, rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Its really quite unclear to me why GG is a problem if all the problems
>> of GG are obviated.
> 
> Which is easier, fiddling around with your setup so you can post
> reasonably on Google Groups, or just getting a better client? With your
> setup, you have to drop out to another editor and press F9 for it to
> work. With pretty much any other newsreader on the planet, this works
> straight off, no setup necessary.
> 
> I'm still going to advise people to stop using buggy rubbish.
> 
> ChrisA

Whilst I agree with Chris A's main points I would at least say thankyou 
for :-

A) finding a solution that works for you.
B) Posting it so that others can try it to see if it works for them.

Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google with bug 
reports (preferably typed with extra long lines & double spaced as that 
is clearly what they are used to & we would not want to upset them would 
we? )




-- 
It is better for civilization to be going down the drain than to be 
coming up it.
		-- Henry Allen

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#60707

In article <RCJlu.5$rx5.0@fx05.am4>,
 Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google with bug 
> reports (preferably typed with extra long lines & double spaced as that 
> is clearly what they are used to & we would not want to upset them would 
> we? )

It's pretty clear Google doesn't care about Google Groups.  Or, at 
least, they don't care that it interacts badly with newsgroups, and in 
particular with bidirectional newsgroup/mailing-list gateways.

The purpose of Google Groups is to generate traffic to their site, which 
it does just fine.  Making it behave better with newsgroups won't change 
that, so there's no incentive for them to do so.

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#60715

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote:
> The purpose of Google Groups is to generate traffic to their site, which
> it does just fine.  Making it behave better with newsgroups won't change
> that, so there's no incentive for them to do so.

Which is why the solution is to tell people to get off it. So long as
people still use it, Google has no incentive to make it better.

ChrisA

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#60865

On 2013-11-28, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <RCJlu.5$rx5.0@fx05.am4>,
>  Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google
>> with bug reports (preferably typed with extra long lines &
>> double spaced as that is clearly what they are used to & we
>> would not want to upset them would we? )
>
> It's pretty clear Google doesn't care about Google Groups.  Or,
> at least, they don't care that it interacts badly with
> newsgroups, and in particular with bidirectional
> newsgroup/mailing-list gateways.
>
> The purpose of Google Groups is to generate traffic to their
> site, which it does just fine.  Making it behave better with
> newsgroups won't change that, so there's no incentive for them
> to do so.

The current situation does force a lot of technology-focused
people, progammers in particular, into a low opinion of Google.
The crappy usenet portal is poor marketing.

I wish they'd never bought dejanews.

-- 
Neil Cerutti

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#60866

In article <mailman.3461.1385989809.18130.python-list@python.org>,
 Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> wrote:

> On 2013-11-28, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote:
> > In article <RCJlu.5$rx5.0@fx05.am4>,
> >  Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >> Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google
> >> with bug reports (preferably typed with extra long lines &
> >> double spaced as that is clearly what they are used to & we
> >> would not want to upset them would we? )
> >
> > It's pretty clear Google doesn't care about Google Groups.  Or,
> > at least, they don't care that it interacts badly with
> > newsgroups, and in particular with bidirectional
> > newsgroup/mailing-list gateways.
> >
> > The purpose of Google Groups is to generate traffic to their
> > site, which it does just fine.  Making it behave better with
> > newsgroups won't change that, so there's no incentive for them
> > to do so.
> 
> The current situation does force a lot of technology-focused
> people, progammers in particular, into a low opinion of Google.
> The crappy usenet portal is poor marketing.

If you think, "The set of people who are still trying to use usenet 
groups for anything serious" is a lot of people, you don't understand 
the scale on which Google operates.

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#60867

On 2013-12-02, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <mailman.3461.1385989809.18130.python-list@python.org>,
>  Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-11-28, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote:
>> > In article <RCJlu.5$rx5.0@fx05.am4>,
>> >  Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> >> Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google
>> >> with bug reports (preferably typed with extra long lines &
>> >> double spaced as that is clearly what they are used to & we
>> >> would not want to upset them would we? )
>> >
>> > It's pretty clear Google doesn't care about Google Groups.  Or,
>> > at least, they don't care that it interacts badly with
>> > newsgroups, and in particular with bidirectional
>> > newsgroup/mailing-list gateways.
>> >
>> > The purpose of Google Groups is to generate traffic to their
>> > site, which it does just fine.  Making it behave better with
>> > newsgroups won't change that, so there's no incentive for them
>> > to do so.
>> 
>> The current situation does force a lot of technology-focused
>> people, progammers in particular, into a low opinion of Google.
>> The crappy usenet portal is poor marketing.
>
> If you think, "The set of people who are still trying to use
> usenet groups for anything serious" is a lot of people, you
> don't understand the scale on which Google operates.

It's probably hard to even visualize.

-- 
Neil Cerutti

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#60876

On Monday, December 2, 2013 7:34:33 PM UTC+5:30, Neil Cerutti wrote:
> On 2013-12-02, Roy Smith  wrote:
> >> The current situation does force a lot of technology-focused
> >> people, progammers in particular, into a low opinion of Google.
> >> The crappy usenet portal is poor marketing.
> >
> > If you think, "The set of people who are still trying to use
> > usenet groups for anything serious" is a lot of people, you
> > don't understand the scale on which Google operates.
>
> It's probably hard to even visualize.

I was dreaming about in an alternate surreal world…
And now you guys have crashed me back to planet-earth-2013

   !MEAN!

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#60878

On 02/12/2013 17:11, rusi wrote:
> On Monday, December 2, 2013 7:34:33 PM UTC+5:30, Neil Cerutti wrote:
>> On 2013-12-02, Roy Smith  wrote:
>>>> The current situation does force a lot of technology-focused
>>>> people, progammers in particular, into a low opinion of Google.
>>>> The crappy usenet portal is poor marketing.
>>>
>>> If you think, "The set of people who are still trying to use
>>> usenet groups for anything serious" is a lot of people, you
>>> don't understand the scale on which Google operates.
>>
>> It's probably hard to even visualize.
>
> I was dreaming about in an alternate surreal world…
> And now you guys have crashed me back to planet-earth-2013
>
>     !MEAN!
>

¿As this is an international group why not ¡MEAN!? :)

Quickly runs off to hide...

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#60879

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> ¿As this is an international group why not ¡MEAN!? :)

¿Does punctuation nest to any level when you ask, ¿Shouldn't it be ¡MEAN!??

ChrisA

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