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  Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Bharath Kummar <bathubharath94@gmail.com> - 2013-11-22 18:22 +0530
    Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-22 08:56 -0500
    Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-22 14:12 +0000
      Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-22 15:08 +0000
    Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-22 06:13 -0800
      Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-22 08:10 -0700
      Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-22 07:18 -0800
    Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-23 01:55 +0000
      Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-23 02:18 +0000
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-22 22:47 -0500
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-22 23:42 -0700
          Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-24 12:31 +1300
          Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-24 12:35 +1300
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! William Ray Wing <wrw@mac.com> - 2013-11-23 09:00 -0500
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-23 14:18 +0000
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-23 10:44 -0500
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-23 10:35 -0600
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-11-23 17:34 +0100
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-24 03:35 +1100
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-11-23 17:43 +0100
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-23 19:40 +0000
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-23 14:00 -0800
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-23 15:06 -0800
          Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-23 17:22 -0600
          Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-24 10:30 +1100
          Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-24 01:38 +0000
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2013-11-23 23:32 -0800
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-24 18:49 +1100
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! xDog Walker <thudfoo@gmail.com> - 2013-11-24 08:11 -0800
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-25 11:32 -0800
              Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-25 12:10 -0800
                Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-26 12:12 +1300
                  Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2013-11-25 18:27 -0500
                Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-25 19:33 -0800
                  Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-26 03:40 -0800
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-25 16:23 +0000
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-25 20:53 +0100
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-25 15:05 -0500
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-11-25 12:00 -0800
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-26 08:32 +0100
        Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-26 08:47 +0100
          Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-26 09:37 -0500
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 01:52 +1100
              Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-26 15:31 +0000
                Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2013-11-26 10:51 -0500
              Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-26 17:26 -0800
                Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-26 21:11 -0500
                  Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-26 20:24 -0800
                    Still off topic. Deal with it. [was Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP !] Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-27 06:56 +0000
                      Re: Still off topic. Deal with it. [was Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP !] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 18:06 +1100
                      Re: Still off topic. Deal with it. [was Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP !] Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-11-27 11:47 +0200
                    Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-27 05:32 -0500
                Completely and utterly Off Topic [was Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP !] Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-27 06:48 +0000
                  Re: Completely and utterly Off Topic [was Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP !] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 18:02 +1100
                  Re: Completely and utterly Off Topic [was Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP !] rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 01:47 -0800
                    Re: Completely and utterly Off Topic [was Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP !] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 20:57 +1100
                  Re: Completely and utterly Off Topic [was Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP !] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-27 10:00 +0000
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-26 17:57 +0100
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 08:42 +1100
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-27 09:16 +0100
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 19:19 +1100
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-27 09:31 +0100
              Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Rotwang <sg552@hotmail.co.uk> - 2013-11-27 13:36 +0000
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 19:36 +1100
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-27 10:12 +0100
              Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 01:32 -0800
                Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 01:36 -0800
                Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Paul Rudin <paul.nospam@rudin.co.uk> - 2013-11-27 10:31 +0000
                  Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 09:09 -0500
                    Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 06:37 -0800
                    Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-27 14:45 +0000
                Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2013-11-27 08:18 -0500
                Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-27 10:25 -0500
                Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-27 10:25 -0600
                  Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 09:15 -0800
              Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-11-28 10:58 +1000
                Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-27 20:08 -0500
                  Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-27 19:24 -0600
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-27 10:06 +0000
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 12:51 +0000
            Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 12:57 +0000
              Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 05:29 -0800
                Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-11-27 14:00 +0000

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#60317

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 02:18:03 +0000, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 01:55:44 +0000, Denis McMahon wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:22:29 +0530, Bharath Kummar wrote:

>>> Could you PLEASE provide me with the codes (codes only for the asked
>>> queries) ?

>> The codes are:

>> 1) 7373a28109a7c4473a475b2137aa92d5 2) f2fae9a4ad5ded75e4d8ac34b90d5c9c
>> 3) 935544894ca6ad7239e0df048b9ec3e5 4) b1bc9942d029a4a67e4b368a1ff8d883

>> Please contact your local government eavesdropping agency for
>> assistance on decoding the codes.

> I'm not an expert on Indian English, but I understand that in that
> dialect it is grammatically correct to say "the codes", just as in UK
> and US English it is grammatically correct to say "the programs".

Sorry, I should obviously have replied to the OP as follows:

We don't write your python code for you, we help you to fix your python 
code. Please post the code you have developed to solve your problem, and 
explain what you expect it to do, and then we will try and explain to you 
why it's doing what it does instead of what you want it to.

-- 
Denis McMahon, denismfmcmahon@gmail.com

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#60323

On Friday, November 22, 2013 8:18:03 PM UTC-6, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> [snip] I look forward to the day that "rice" is the plural of "ri" 

Yes and i look forward to the day when "thread hijacking" perpetrated under the guise of "exploring linguistic minutia" perpetrated under the guise of "vanity" is frowned upon. 

PS: The only method chaining going on here is via the .brown_nosing() method.

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#60335

On Friday, November 22, 2013 8:18:03 PM UTC-6, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> As this is an international forum, it behoves us all to make allowances 
> for slight difference in dialect.

I don't thank so. What purpose does that serve?

If we allow people to speak INCORRECT English under the
guise of "political correctness" then no one will benefit.
The speaker will continue using the language improperly and
his audience will continue to be confused.

 "But Rick, we don't want to offend people!"

Piss off you spineless invertebrate!I would be more offended
if people did NOT correct me. People "correct" you when they
WANT you to learn, likewise, people "tolerate" you when they
want you to remain inferior.

 "Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society"

Only those societies with a vision for the future will
survive, that is, until they inevitably grow tired from the
intense competition and lose their vision THEN apathy sets
in and a NEW society steps in to fill the vacuum.

 "Competition is the engine that drives the cogs of evolution"

You are all but pawns in a greater game. It is better to die
fighting for SOMETHING, then to wither away intolerant of
NOTHING. There exists no utopia. And any pursuit of such
ends is foolish.

Have you ever even considered what sort of disgusting filth
humans would degenerate into if we achieved a utopia free
from competition? What would we do all day? What purpose
would our lives fulfill?

 "Would you eat if you were never hungry?"

Evolution will NEVER allow such a dismal state to prosper,
no, it will stamp out every attempt by convincing the strong
to conquer the weak -- and to do so with extreme prejudice!

The system abhors the weak; the system ridicules the weak;
because the weak serve no end but their own selfish and feeble
attempts to convince themselves they are not but lowly pawns.

 "Time to pull your head out of the sand!"

People like you don't want to accept the truth, you want to
believe that "living in harmony" is the answer. No, harmony
is a death wish. If you wish to reach a state of harmony,
then not only are you suicidal but you're homicidal also
because you obviously don't care about your fellow human
beings future progression.

If however, you cared about what really matters, you would
advise our Indian friend to speak better English. By
learning proper English he can become a productive member of
this society -- maybe one day even contributing something
remarkable.

But until his communication can rise above the level of a
3rd grade public school student in rural Kentucky, he is
draining resources instead of creating them!I WANT our Indian
friend to become proficient so that he *might* one day be a
*worthy* advisory for me to challenge.

Anyone can defeat the weak, only the strong have a snowballs
chance in hell to defeat the strong.

 "Who said chivalry was dead?"

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#60336

On 2013-11-23 15:06, Rick Johnson wrote:
> I don't thank so. What purpose does that serve?
> 
> If we allow people to speak INCORRECT English under the
> guise of "political correctness" then no one will benefit.

"I don't thank so"?

talk about the plank in your own eye...

-tkc

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#60338

On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Rick Johnson
<rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, November 22, 2013 8:18:03 PM UTC-6, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> As this is an international forum, it behoves us all to make allowances
>> for slight difference in dialect.
>
> I don't thank so. What purpose does that serve?
> ...
> Anyone can defeat the weak, only the strong have a snowballs
> chance in hell to defeat the strong.

Think. Snowball's. Welcome to Muphry's Law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law

ChrisA

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#60345

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 15:06:42 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote:

> On Friday, November 22, 2013 8:18:03 PM UTC-6, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> As this is an international forum, it behoves us all to make allowances
>> for slight difference in dialect.
> 
> I don't thank so. What purpose does that serve?
> 
> If we allow people to speak INCORRECT English under the guise of
> "political correctness" then no one will benefit.
[...]

Thank you for the lesson in the virtues of bluntness, and why politeness 
and political correctness is a vice. Never let it be said that I'm not 
willing to learn from you Rick, so keeping everything you said in mind, 
let me say this:

It's not INCORRECT English, you small-minded little git. That was the 
point of my post, which clearly was too difficult for your feeble little 
thought processes to comprehend. Where do you, an American, get off 
telling others that their regional variety of English is incorrect?

After criticising me for hijacking threads, the hypocrisy and cheek of 
you doing the same thing with your odious and naive social Darwinism is 
breathtaking. Sod off and take your despicable little Randian pseudo-
philosophy with you.


-- 
Steven

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#60351

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> Thank you for the lesson in the virtues of bluntness, and why politeness
> and political correctness is a vice. Never let it be said that I'm not
> willing to learn from you Rick, so keeping everything you said in mind,
> let me say this:
>
> --[tirade of insults]--

No, please don't.

If Rick is that annoying and harmful to discussion (he is), rather
than blowing up at him, can we please ban him from the ML? I know that
usenet cannot be affected, but anyone that cares about productive
discussions can either maintain a killfile or use the mailing list.
The state of discussion here as it stands is absurd, what with the
trolling and irrelevant rants and subsequent explosions of hate.

This list needs stronger moderation. Please.

-- Devin

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#60352

On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Devin Jeanpierre
<jeanpierreda@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>> Thank you for the lesson in the virtues of bluntness, and why politeness
>> and political correctness is a vice. Never let it be said that I'm not
>> willing to learn from you Rick, so keeping everything you said in mind,
>> let me say this:
>>
>> --[tirade of insults]--
>
> No, please don't.
>
> If Rick is that annoying and harmful to discussion (he is), rather
> than blowing up at him, can we please ban him from the ML? I know that
> usenet cannot be affected, but anyone that cares about productive
> discussions can either maintain a killfile or use the mailing list.
> The state of discussion here as it stands is absurd, what with the
> trolling and irrelevant rants and subsequent explosions of hate.
>
> This list needs stronger moderation. Please.

I think this was a case of misrecognized humour... Rick was saying
that it's better to offend people than to let them be wrong, so Steven
took that style to its obvious extreme.

Also, Rick clearly went into Room 12, when he should have gone to 12A,
next door.[1]

ChrisA

[1] http://www.montypython.net/scripts/argument.php

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#60390

On Saturday 2013 November 23 23:32, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
> This list needs stronger moderation

Rule #1: The ML should not disseminate any message which contains an 
unquoted "please".

-- 
Yonder nor sorghum stenches shut ladle gulls stopper torque wet 
strainers.

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#60445

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 7:38:47 PM UTC-6, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Where do you, an American,

What the hell makes you believe I'm an American? Because i
speak fluent English? Because i embrace capitalism? Because
i wish to be free of tyranny? Well, if that's all it takes
to be an American, then count me in!

    America.append("RickJohnson")

> get off telling others that their regional variety of
> English is incorrect?

Because with the ALREADY excessive polysemous nature of the
English language, why would we want to PURPOSELY inject more
inconsistency?.. especially when the sole purpose of the
change is driven by selfishness?

Do you remember your thread titled: "The narcissism of small
code differences"? Do you remember how the author warned
against the dangers of re-writing old code for fear of
enduring lengthy de-bugging trials?

Okay, with that synopsis in mind, now you want us to believe
that injecting polysemy into the English language JUST for
the mere PRIDE of "regional groups" is not:

  destructive?
  or at least harmful?
  or at minimum, non-productive?

> Sod off and take your despicable little Randian pseudo-
> philosophy with you.

Yes because women couldn't *possibly* be "legitimate"
philosophers -- is that correct? Or is your chauvinist anger
towards Ayn merely a mask to disguise the *real* source of
hatred: the defection of a fellow "comrade" to the
capitalist system?

How dare people allow themselves to be free! 

HOW DARE THEY!

...who's the fascist now?

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#60449

On Monday, November 25, 2013 2:32:12 PM UTC-5, Rick Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday, November 23, 2013 7:38:47 PM UTC-6, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > Where do you, an American,
> 
> What the hell makes you believe I'm an American? Because i
> speak fluent English? Because i embrace capitalism? Because
> i wish to be free of tyranny? Well, if that's all it takes
> to be an American, then count me in!
> 
>     America.append("RickJohnson")
> 
> > get off telling others that their regional variety of
> > English is incorrect?
> 
> Because with the ALREADY excessive polysemous nature of the
> English language, why would we want to PURPOSELY inject more
> inconsistency?.. especially when the sole purpose of the
> change is driven by selfishness?
> 
> Do you remember your thread titled: "The narcissism of small
> code differences"? Do you remember how the author warned
> against the dangers of re-writing old code for fear of
> enduring lengthy de-bugging trials?
> 
> Okay, with that synopsis in mind, now you want us to believe
> that injecting polysemy into the English language JUST for
> the mere PRIDE of "regional groups" is not:
> 
>   destructive?
>   or at least harmful?
>   or at minimum, non-productive?
> 
> > Sod off and take your despicable little Randian pseudo-
> > philosophy with you.
> 
> Yes because women couldn't *possibly* be "legitimate"
> philosophers -- is that correct? Or is your chauvinist anger
> towards Ayn merely a mask to disguise the *real* source of
> hatred: the defection of a fellow "comrade" to the
> capitalist system?
> 
> How dare people allow themselves to be free! 
> 
> HOW DARE THEY!
> 
> ...who's the fascist now?

Rick, I've never understood how much your rants are tongue-in-cheek, or intended to amuse, and how much they accurately represent your philosophy and mindset.  Most of your rants had to do with programming at least.  Let's please avoid veering off into rants about language and philosophy now.

--Ned.

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#60462

Ned Batchelder wrote:
> Let's please avoid veering off into rants about language
 > and philosophy now.

Philosophy is totally on topic for this group:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2gJamguN04

-- 
Greg

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#60468

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On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Gregory Ewing
<greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz>wrote:

> Ned Batchelder wrote:
>
>> Let's please avoid veering off into rants about language
>>
> > and philosophy now.
>
> Philosophy is totally on topic for this group:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2gJamguN04
>
> A classic! I hadn't seen that in many years.

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#60482

On Monday, November 25, 2013 2:10:04 PM UTC-6, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> Let's please avoid veering off into rants about language
> and philosophy now.

Hello Ned. I respect the fact that you want to keep threads
on-topic, and i greatly appreciate the humbleness of your
request.

However, i feel as though i am being unfairly treated when
other people (who shall remain unnamed) started the
discussion in an off-topic direction long before i chimed
in.

And to be fair, i was merely retorting a hasty assertion by
our friend Steven. Yes, i might have gotten a bit
philosophical in the process, but the reply itself was
germane to the sub-topic that Steven propagated up.

Furthermore, I don't believe that applying ridged rules of
topicality are to the benefit of anyone. Conversations of
any topic are destined to spin-off in many seemingly 
unrelated directions -- and this is healthy!

As a spectator (or a participant) you can choose to stop
listening (or participating) at anytime the conversation
becomes uninteresting to you.

Some of the greatest debates that i have participated
in (those that result in epiphany or even catharsis) had
initially sprung out of seemingly unrelated subject matters
which slowly built to a crescendo of maximum intensity.

I don't think we should attempt to restrict debate since it 
is this very debate that results in evolution of not only
the participants, but also the spectators.

    "Man's mind is his basic tool of survival. Life is
    given to him, survival is not. His body is given to
    him, its sustenance is not. His mind is given to
    him, its content is not"

    [...]

    "Reason does not work automatically; thinking is not
    a mechanical process; the connections of logic are
    not made by instinct. The function of your stomach,
    lungs or heart is automatic; the function of your
    mind is not."

    "In any hour and issue of your life, you are free to
    think or to evade that effort. But you are not free
    to escape from your nature, from the fact that
    reason is your means of survival -- so that for you,
    who are a human being, the question "to be or not to
    be" is the question "to think or not to think."

    -- Ayn Rand

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#60502

On 11/25/13 10:33 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:> On Monday, November 25, 2013 2:10:04 PM UTC-6, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>> Let's please avoid veering off into rants about language
>> and philosophy now.
> 
> Hello Ned. I respect the fact that you want to keep threads
> on-topic, and i greatly appreciate the humbleness of your
> request.
> 
> However, i feel as though i am being unfairly treated when
> other people (who shall remain unnamed) started the
> discussion in an off-topic direction long before i chimed
> in.
> 
> And to be fair, i was merely retorting a hasty assertion by
> our friend Steven. Yes, i might have gotten a bit
> philosophical in the process, but the reply itself was
> germane to the sub-topic that Steven propagated up.

I appreciate your thoughtful reply.  I don't mean to single
you out.  Threads that get too far off-track are rarely
identified at the actual point they left the arena.  Usually
it isn't until they are clearly outside, and far enough 
outside that they aren't coming back, that a comment is made.

In particular, I chose to comment on yours because it had
a combination of non-Pythonness, strong language, and no
clear markers of satire.

> Furthermore, I don't believe that applying ridged rules of
> topicality are to the benefit of anyone. Conversations of
> any topic are destined to spin-off in many seemingly
> unrelated directions -- and this is healthy!

I agree.

> As a spectator (or a participant) you can choose to stop
> listening (or participating) at anytime the conversation
> becomes uninteresting to you.

True, but that attitude taken to the extreme is, "anything goes,
and if you are only interested in Python, then only read the xx% of
messages that are about Python."  We also need the list to have
a purpose (Python) and a tone (welcoming).  When posts or threads
stray too far on both, I start to get concerned.

> Some of the greatest debates that i have participated
> in (those that result in epiphany or even catharsis) had
> initially sprung out of seemingly unrelated subject matters
> which slowly built to a crescendo of maximum intensity.
> 
> I don't think we should attempt to restrict debate since it
> is this very debate that results in evolution of not only
> the participants, but also the spectators.

Again, thanks for your thoughtful approach to this, and also for
using only one exclamation point, and no all-caps. :)

--Ned.

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#60433

On 2013-11-23, Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 01:55:44 +0000, Denis McMahon wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:22:29 +0530, Bharath Kummar wrote:
>
>>> Could you PLEASE provide me with the codes (codes only for the asked
>>> queries) ?
>> 
>> The codes are:
>> 
>> 1) 7373a28109a7c4473a475b2137aa92d5
>> 2) f2fae9a4ad5ded75e4d8ac34b90d5c9c
>> 3) 935544894ca6ad7239e0df048b9ec3e5
>> 4) b1bc9942d029a4a67e4b368a1ff8d883
>> 
>> Please contact your local government eavesdropping agency for assistance
>> on decoding the codes.
>
> I'm not an expert on Indian English, but I understand that in that 
> dialect it is grammatically correct to say "the codes", just as in UK and 
> US English it is grammatically correct to say "the programs".

I think Dennis was taking aim at the OP's request that somebody do his
homework assignment for him rather than at his incorrect (in US
"standard" English) use of the mass noun "code".

Mass nouns seem to be a common tripping point for people learning
English as a second language (and for some with English as their first
language). I'm not sure if that's because their first language doesn't
have something that corresponds to countable vs. mass nouns, or if
it's just the usual problem of English being so random and irregular
that it can only be learned easily by a toddler.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! I like the way ONLY
                                  at               their mouths move ...  They
                              gmail.com            look like DYING OYSTERS

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#60447

Op 23-11-13 03:18, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 01:55:44 +0000, Denis McMahon wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:22:29 +0530, Bharath Kummar wrote:
> 
>>> Could you PLEASE provide me with the codes (codes only for the asked
>>> queries) ?
>>
>> The codes are:
>>
>> 1) 7373a28109a7c4473a475b2137aa92d5
>> 2) f2fae9a4ad5ded75e4d8ac34b90d5c9c
>> 3) 935544894ca6ad7239e0df048b9ec3e5
>> 4) b1bc9942d029a4a67e4b368a1ff8d883
>>
>> Please contact your local government eavesdropping agency for assistance
>> on decoding the codes.
> 
> I'm not an expert on Indian English, but I understand that in that 
> dialect it is grammatically correct to say "the codes", just as in UK and 
> US English it is grammatically correct to say "the programs".
> 
> In other words, in UK/US English, "code" in the sense of programming code 
> is an uncountable noun, like "rice" or "air", while in Indian English it 
> is a countable noun like cats or programs. We have to say "give me two 
> samples of code", or perhaps "two code samples", while an Indian speaker 
> might say "give me two codes".
> 
> As this is an international forum, it behoves us all to make allowances 
> for slight difference in dialect.

I don't see how that follows. I would say on the contrary. This being
an international forum people should try to reframe from burdening
lots of other people with expressions most people will not understand
or even misunderstand.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#60448

>> I'm not an expert on Indian English, but I understand that in that
>> dialect it is grammatically correct to say "the codes", just as in UK and
>> US English it is grammatically correct to say "the programs".
>>
>> In other words, in UK/US English, "code" in the sense of programming code
>> is an uncountable noun, like "rice" or "air", while in Indian English it
>> is a countable noun like cats or programs. We have to say "give me two
>> samples of code", or perhaps "two code samples", while an Indian speaker
>> might say "give me two codes".
>>
>> As this is an international forum, it behoves us all to make allowances
>> for slight difference in dialect.
>
> I don't see how that follows. I would say on the contrary. This being
> an international forum people should try to reframe from burdening
> lots of other people with expressions most people will not understand
> or even misunderstand.
>
> --
> Antoon Pardon
> --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list


I see the different idioms as kind of interesting, and funny
sometimes, but I don't think they pose a big barrier.  Mostly, people
don't provide OS or python version, or explain what they done and what
happens.  That makes it harder to respond than figuring out how
different people around the world say stuff.  I'm from US and I have
done lots of phone calls with Indian developers.  To me it sounds
strange to talk about codes, but I totally understand what they mean.
A bigger problem I have had is in understanding accents during multi
person phone calls with people from other countries.   Different
'English' speakers actually speak more differently than we write. At
least here we can read the words, even if they are different.
-- 
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com

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#60452

On 11/25/2013 11:53 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> Op 23-11-13 03:18, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
>>
>> As this is an international forum, it behoves us all to make allowances
>> for slight difference in dialect.
>
> I don't see how that follows. I would say on the contrary. This being
> an international forum people should try to reframe from burdening
> lots of other people with expressions most people will not understand
> or even misunderstand.

So we can assume you've made a comprehensive study of the different varieties of English and created a compendium of 
which words and/or phrases can be easily misunderstood?  Please share that with us, it would be quite helpful.

--
~Ethan~

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#60487

Op 25-11-13 21:00, Ethan Furman schreef:
> On 11/25/2013 11:53 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> Op 23-11-13 03:18, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
>>>
>>> As this is an international forum, it behoves us all to make allowances
>>> for slight difference in dialect.
>>
>> I don't see how that follows. I would say on the contrary. This being
>> an international forum people should try to reframe from burdening
>> lots of other people with expressions most people will not understand
>> or even misunderstand.
> 
> So we can assume you've made a comprehensive study of the different
> varieties of English and created a compendium of which words and/or
> phrases can be easily misunderstood?  Please share that with us, it
> would be quite helpful.

Well I can't stop you from assuming something like that, however it
wasn't implied by what I wrote.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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