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What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE.

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  What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> - 2011-11-21 08:39 -0800
    Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> - 2011-11-21 17:12 +0000
    Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Cousin Stanley <cousinstanley@gmail.com> - 2011-11-21 17:52 +0000
    Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-11-21 11:21 -0800
      Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> - 2011-11-22 07:57 -0800
        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-11-22 10:01 -0800
          Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2011-11-23 14:16 +0200
            Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-11-23 10:21 -0800
        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-11-22 17:50 -0500
    Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-11-21 18:07 -0500
      Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> - 2011-11-22 08:12 -0800
    Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2011-11-21 19:00 -0800
      Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> - 2011-11-22 08:14 -0800
        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> - 2011-11-22 19:15 +0000
        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2011-11-23 23:15 -0700
    Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Alan Meyer <ameyer2@yahoo.com> - 2011-11-22 13:55 -0500
      Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Alan Meyer <ameyer2@yahoo.com> - 2011-11-22 14:29 -0500
        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-11-22 12:05 -0800
          Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Alan Meyer <ameyer2@yahoo.com> - 2011-11-22 22:45 -0500
            Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Sibylle Koczian <nulla.epistola@web.de> - 2011-11-23 22:13 +0100
        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> - 2011-11-22 19:29 -0800
          Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> - 2011-11-22 19:46 -0800
            Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-11-22 22:43 -0800
              Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> - 2011-11-23 09:33 -0800
                Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> - 2011-11-23 09:38 -0800
                  Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Arnaud Delobelle <arnodel@gmail.com> - 2011-11-23 18:29 +0000
                    Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-11-24 08:49 +1100
                    Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> - 2011-11-24 13:24 -0800
                  Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Alan Meyer <ameyer2@yahoo.com> - 2011-11-23 17:29 -0500
                    Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Matt Joiner <anacrolix@gmail.com> - 2011-11-24 09:58 +1100
                    Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> - 2011-11-24 13:18 -0800
                      Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> - 2011-11-24 13:22 -0800
                        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Alexander Kapps <alex.kapps@web.de> - 2011-11-25 00:18 +0100
                          Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-11-25 00:16 +0000
                            Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-11-24 20:06 -0500
                              Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-11-25 04:37 +0000
                            Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-11-24 20:49 -0800
                              Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. MaxTheMouse <maxthemouse@googlemail.com> - 2011-11-25 08:31 -0800
                            Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Sibylle Koczian <nulla.epistola@web.de> - 2011-11-25 20:52 +0100
                              Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Mark Tolonen <metolone@gmail.com> - 2011-11-25 20:26 -0800
                                Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-11-25 23:13 -0800
                                  Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. MaxTheMouse <maxthemouse@googlemail.com> - 2011-11-26 08:22 -0800
                        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Alexander Kapps <alex.kapps@web.de> - 2011-11-25 00:37 +0100
                  Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-11-23 17:43 -0800
                    Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Tony the Tiger <tony@tiger.invalid> - 2011-11-24 17:25 -0600
                      Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-11-25 00:04 +0000
                        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Alexander Kapps <alex.kapps@web.de> - 2011-11-25 01:32 +0100
                        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-11-24 20:49 -0800
                        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-11-24 20:49 -0800
                        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-11-25 19:04 +1100
                        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Tony the Tiger <tony@tiger.invalid> - 2011-11-25 16:07 -0600
                        Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Alexander Kapps <alex.kapps@web.de> - 2011-11-26 02:34 +0100
                Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 with regard to IDLE. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-11-23 10:21 -0800
            RE: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 withregard to IDLE. "Alemu Tadesse" <atadesse@sunedison.com> - 2011-11-23 00:48 -0600
              Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 withregard to IDLE. John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> - 2011-11-23 16:08 +0000
                Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 withregard to IDLE. "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> - 2011-11-23 09:35 -0800

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#16248

FromDennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Date2011-11-25 23:13 -0800
Message-ID<mailman.3054.1322291649.27778.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#16245
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:26:31 -0800 (PST), Mark Tolonen
<metolone@gmail.com> declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:


> Changing the application defaults is now in "Default Programs" right
> on the Start Menu.  It's more "obvious" than the old location, but the
> old location is just known by more people and Microsoft loves to move
> things around.
>
	Maybe I missed it, but when I looked at that on my Win7 laptop, I
only saw a way to define a default for "open" action -- which, for .py
and .pyw files, should be python.exe and pythonw.exe, respectively;
otherwise you can't run them via double-click.

	What I did NOT find was a way to define OTHER actions for the
<right-click> menu... IE; no way to define an "edit with xxx", or a
"print" operation.
-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
        wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#16253

FromMaxTheMouse <maxthemouse@googlemail.com>
Date2011-11-26 08:22 -0800
Message-ID<3fe404cb-7a6d-45c4-88ea-830441d22878@p9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#16248
On Nov 26, 1:13 am, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:26:31 -0800 (PST), Mark Tolonen
> <metol...@gmail.com> declaimed the following in
> gmane.comp.python.general:
>
> > Changing the application defaults is now in "Default Programs" right
> > on the Start Menu.  It's more "obvious" than the old location, but the
> > old location is just known by more people and Microsoft loves to move
> > things around.
>
>         Maybe I missed it, but when I looked at that on my Win7 laptop, I
> only saw a way to define a default for "open" action -- which, for .py
> and .pyw files, should be python.exe and pythonw.exe, respectively;
> otherwise you can't run them via double-click.
>
>         What I did NOT find was a way to define OTHER actions for the
> <right-click> menu... IE; no way to define an "edit with xxx", or a
> "print" operation.
> --
>         Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
>         wlfr...@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

I haven't gone back through this complicated thread so I apologize if
this has already been mentioned.

I only found a registry based way for vista and win7.
http://www.techspot.com/guides/210-edit-windows-extended-context-menu/
http://www.winvistaclub.com/e11.html


There is also the 'extended' menu by shift+right-click. Maybe the Edit
option can show up there.

Adam

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#16180

FromAlexander Kapps <alex.kapps@web.de>
Date2011-11-25 00:37 +0100
Message-ID<mailman.3014.1322177765.27778.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#16174
On 25.11.2011 00:18, Alexander Kapps wrote:

> Do you get an "Edit with IDLE" then?

And even if not. Why are you so obsessive about IDLE? I mean, 
seriously, IDLE is just a bare-level if-nothing-else-is-available 
editor/IDE. It's better than notepad, OK.

I really don't buy it, that your are willing to move to C++ (or even 
just change the language) just because the default editor is not 
available in the context menu.

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#16135

FromDennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Date2011-11-23 17:43 -0800
Message-ID<mailman.2987.1322099016.27778.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#16118
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:38:36 -0800, "W. eWatson"
<wolftracks@invalid.com> declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:

> So unless Alan Meyer has further interest in this, it looks like it's at 
> an end.
> 
> It may be time to move on to c++.

	Well, if you are staying with M$ Windows, maybe look into PowerShell
(it comes with Win7, and can be downloaded for WinXP).

	Even has an IDE (strangely named: powershell_ise.exe; put
"powershell_ise" into the search box on Win7 and see what it gets you --
plain "powershell.exe" is the equivalent of cmd.exe [the common command
line window]).

	The opening help page gives:

-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Windows PowerShell is a new Windows command-line shell designed
especially for system administrators. The Windows PowerShell includes an
interactive prompt and a scripting environment that can be used
independently or in combination. 

Unlike most shells, which accept and return text, Windows PowerShell is
built on top of the .NET Framework common language runtime (CLR) and the
.NET Framework, and accepts and returns .NET Framework objects. This
fundamental change in the environment brings entirely new tools and
methods to the management and configuration of Windows.

Windows PowerShell introduces the concept of a cmdlet (pronounced
"command-let"), a simple, single-function command-line tool built into
the shell. You can use each cmdlet separately, but their power is
realized when you use these simple tools in combination to perform
complex tasks. Windows PowerShell includes more than one hundred basic
core cmdlets, and you can write your own cmdlets and share them with
other users.

Like many shells, Windows PowerShell gives you access to the file system
on the computer. In addition, Windows PowerShell providers enable you to
access other data stores, such as the registry and the digital signature
certificate stores, as easily as you access the file system.

This Getting Started guide provides an introduction to Windows
PowerShell: the language, the cmdlets, the providers, and the use of
objects.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-

	Since it uses .NET CLR, it should even be possible to invoke the
.NET GUI library functions (or code something up in Visual Basic or
Visual C# that can be invoked from PowerShell).

	The IDE can even invoke a shell on a remote computer (probably has
to have Powershell installed).

	Downside? Well, it IS M$ & Windows...

-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
        wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#16178

FromTony the Tiger <tony@tiger.invalid>
Date2011-11-24 17:25 -0600
Message-ID<feqdnYUXG4L-T1PTnZ2dnUVZ7v6dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#16135
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:43:20 -0800, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

> Windows PowerShell includes more than one hundred basic core cmdlets,
> and you can write your own cmdlets and share them with other users.

Oh, goodie! They've found yet another way to infect a Windows system. :)


 /Grrr
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#16182

FromSteven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info>
Date2011-11-25 00:04 +0000
Message-ID<4ecedb73$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#16178
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:25:23 -0600, Tony the Tiger wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:43:20 -0800, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> 
>> Windows PowerShell includes more than one hundred basic core cmdlets,
>> and you can write your own cmdlets and share them with other users.
> 
> Oh, goodie! They've found yet another way to infect a Windows system. :)

My Linux system includes compilers or interpreters for C, Pascal, 
Haskell, Forth, Python, Ruby, PHP, Javascript, Java, bash, csh, zsh, sh, 
awk, sed, Perl, SQL, Tcl, Tk, OpenXion, and very likely others. Most of 
these were supplied by the vendor. I could write my own executable code, 
"cmdlets" if you will, in any of these languages, and share them with 
others.

So by your reasoning, that's at least 20 ways to infect my Linux system. 
I never realised just how insecure Linux must be!

If "sharing code" is considered to be synonymous with "infection", what 
does that say about the Free and Open Source Software movement?



Linux-users-aren't-the-only-people-allowed-to-write-shell-scripts-ly y'rs,


-- 
Steven

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#16184

FromAlexander Kapps <alex.kapps@web.de>
Date2011-11-25 01:32 +0100
Message-ID<mailman.3016.1322181081.27778.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#16182
On 25.11.2011 01:04, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

> So by your reasoning, that's at least 20 ways to infect my Linux system.
> I never realised just how insecure Linux must be!

Yes, there are 20+ ways to "infect" your (and mine) Linux system. 
You cannot trust *any* kind of 3rd party code. Period.

Have you ever added a 3rd party repo (PPA or such). Have you ever 
added some Firefox addon or installed some 3rd-party addition (of 
any kind) to some program)

Where is the protection now?

The main difference here is, that Linux makes it easy to seperate 
administrative accounts from end-user accounts,

The custom addon/cmdlet/whatever I give you has the same dangers on 
Linux as on windows. If you blindly install it, you're owned!

> If "sharing code" is considered to be synonymous with "infection", what
> does that say about the Free and Open Source Software movement?

Completely besides the topic. It's not about "sharing code", but 
about the seperation between normal and administrative user on the 
OS level (which Windows still doesn't have by default).

> Linux-users-aren't-the-only-people-allowed-to-write-shell-scripts-ly y'rs,

But-Linux-Users-aren't-root-by-default-ly y'rs.

:)

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#16197

FromDennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Date2011-11-24 20:49 -0800
Message-ID<mailman.3022.1322196577.27778.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#16182
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 01:32:08 +0100, Alexander Kapps <alex.kapps@web.de>
declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:


> The main difference here is, that Linux makes it easy to seperate 
> administrative accounts from end-user accounts,
>
	So does Win7... Heck -- I have to answer prompts to OK an installer
even while logged into my admin account!
 
	Now, untrained idiots may disable all the account controls in Win7,
but that's no more than said idiots always running in a root account on
Linux.
-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
        wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#16199

FromDennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Date2011-11-24 20:49 -0800
Message-ID<mailman.3024.1322196910.27778.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#16182
On 25 Nov 2011 00:04:04 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:


> My Linux system includes compilers or interpreters for C, Pascal, 
> Haskell, Forth, Python, Ruby, PHP, Javascript, Java, bash, csh, zsh, sh, 
> awk, sed, Perl, SQL, Tcl, Tk, OpenXion, and very likely others. Most of 

	What? No REXX? <G>

	{Granted, other than IBM's mainframes, the only decent REXX
implementation [heck, maybe even better] was the Amiga version -- it was
integrated well into the Amiga message passing IPC system, such that
pretty much any application with an ARexx port could connect to and
control any other application with an ARexx port}
-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
        wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#16203

FromChris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date2011-11-25 19:04 +1100
Message-ID<mailman.3027.1322208254.27778.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#16182
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber
<wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> On 25 Nov 2011 00:04:04 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
> <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> declaimed the following in
> gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>
>> My Linux system includes compilers or interpreters for C, Pascal,
>> Haskell, Forth, Python, Ruby, PHP, Javascript, Java, bash, csh, zsh, sh,
>> awk, sed, Perl, SQL, Tcl, Tk, OpenXion, and very likely others. Most of
>
>        What? No REXX? <G>
>
>        {Granted, other than IBM's mainframes, the only decent REXX
> implementation [heck, maybe even better] was the Amiga version -- it was
> integrated well into the Amiga message passing IPC system, such that
> pretty much any application with an ARexx port could connect to and
> control any other application with an ARexx port}

IBM's non-mainframes too - their OS/2 implementation was - and still
is - awesome. I use REXX for a variety of odds and ends, everything
from simple scripts up to full-on GUI applications. Yes, we still use
OS/2 (as well as Windows and Linux - mixed LANs are fun).

ChrisA

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#16238

FromTony the Tiger <tony@tiger.invalid>
Date2011-11-25 16:07 -0600
Message-ID<CMmdnWlpPK48jE3TnZ2dnUVZ7oidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#16182
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:04:04 +0000, Steven D'Aprano wrote:

> So by your reasoning, that's at least 20 ways to infect my Linux system.
> I never realised just how insecure Linux must be!

Yes, but you're most likely to be knowledgeable enough to actually read, 
and at least understand the gist of, the code before you run it, which 
the majority of the Windows users most likely wouldn't be.


 /Grrr
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#16241

FromAlexander Kapps <alex.kapps@web.de>
Date2011-11-26 02:34 +0100
Message-ID<mailman.3052.1322271212.27778.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#16182
On 25.11.2011 05:49, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 01:32:08 +0100, Alexander Kapps<alex.kapps@web.de>
> declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:
>
>
>> The main difference here is, that Linux makes it easy to seperate
>> administrative accounts from end-user accounts,
>>
> 	So does Win7... Heck -- I have to answer prompts to OK an installer
> even while logged into my admin account!

For Windows, Left-Clicking an OK button to confirm potentionally 
dangerous admin tasks is like linking the acceleration pedal in your 
car to the brake pedal(If the traffic light shows Red/Stop, push the 
acceleration pedal to break)

I mean, seriously, left-clicking an OK button is something *SO* 
unusual to Windows users that you could also just remove that 
"barrier" altogether.

</sarcasm>

Now, OK, I don't really know any  Windows version after XP, so 
things might have changed. But what I see from the casual Win users 
in my environment is that nothing has really changed.

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#16123

FromDennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Date2011-11-23 10:21 -0800
Message-ID<mailman.2980.1322072710.27778.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#16116
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:33:55 -0800, "W. eWatson"
<wolftracks@invalid.com> declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:


> Glad to hear you're keeping count. :-) I'll pin it on my wall. Don't use 
> graphics.

	But IDLE does... IDLE is a .pyw script that opens Tk windows; it
isn't even a ".exe" packaged program as is the PythonWin editor
(pythonwin.exe will run as an application; IDLE needs to start
pythonw.exe as the application and let /it/ run the idle.pyw script)
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#16097 — RE: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 withregard to IDLE.

From"Alemu Tadesse" <atadesse@sunedison.com>
Date2011-11-23 00:48 -0600
SubjectRE: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 withregard to IDLE.
Message-ID<mailman.2962.1322031180.27778.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#16093
I just subscribed for python and I am VERY NEW. I would like to have a
an IDLE. My texts are just the same whether it is comment or def or
statement or ...... how am I going to make it highlighted ..my
scientific package is not working and complaining about not able to
find/load DLL ... frustrating for the first day in the python world. ANY
tip ?

Thanks

Alemu

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Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:43 PM
To: python-list@python.org
Subject: Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7
withregard to IDLE.

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:46:01 -0800, "W. eWatson"
<wolftracks@invalid.com> declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:

> 
> Of course, Dennis'
> C:\Python26\Lib\site-packages\pythonwin\Pythonwin.exe
> wouldn't work either.
>
	If you didn't install an ActiveState packaged version, nor hand
installed the win32 extension package into a Python.org installed
system, you won't have PythonWin.
 
> I did a Win 7 search Pythonwin.exe, and found nothing. However, 
> sometimes that search fails even when though there is something on the

> PC that matches the search.
> 
> There is a pythonw.exe under C:\Python32.

	And has been mentioned at least three times in the last week --
pythonw.exe is the version of the Python interpreter that is supposed to
be the default application for .pyw files. It is the version that does
NOT open a console window for stdin/stdout (IOWs, it is meant for use by
Python scripts that use a graphical library for all I/O -- Tk, wxPython,
etc.). If you ran a graphical script using the plain python.exe it would
open a console window that would just sit there until the script exited.
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#16112 — Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 withregard to IDLE.

FromJohn Gordon <gordon@panix.com>
Date2011-11-23 16:08 +0000
SubjectRe: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 withregard to IDLE.
Message-ID<jaj5pc$kld$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#16097
In <mailman.2962.1322031180.27778.python-list@python.org> "Alemu Tadesse" <atadesse@sunedison.com> writes:

> scientific package is not working and complaining about not able to
> find/load DLL ... frustrating for the first day in the python world. ANY
> tip ?

Post the exact error message you're getting.  Also post your code, if it's
not too long.

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#16117 — Re: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 withregard to IDLE.

From"W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com>
Date2011-11-23 09:35 -0800
SubjectRe: What I do and do not know about installing Python on Win 7 withregard to IDLE.
Message-ID<jajasb$6jj$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#16112
On 11/23/2011 8:08 AM, John Gordon wrote:
> In<mailman.2962.1322031180.27778.python-list@python.org>  "Alemu Tadesse"<atadesse@sunedison.com>  writes:
>
>> scientific package is not working and complaining about not able to
>> find/load DLL ... frustrating for the first day in the python world. ANY
>> tip ?
>
> Post the exact error message you're getting.  Also post your code, if it's
> not too long.
>
And post it in a new thread.

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