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  Python Beginner ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 14:25 -0800
    Re: Python Beginner Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 09:41 +1100
      Re: Python Beginner ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 15:22 -0800
        Re: Python Beginner Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 10:27 +1100
      Re: Python Beginner Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-17 06:51 +0000
        Re: Python Beginner ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 20:02 -0800
          Re: Python Beginner Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-11-17 23:42 -0500
            Re: Python Beginner ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 02:18 -0800
              Re: Python Beginner Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-19 18:20 +1300
                Re: Python Beginner ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> - 2013-11-20 10:34 -0800
                  RE: Python Beginner Hector Chapa <hchapa@lrgvdc911.org> - 2013-11-20 18:41 +0000
                    Re: Python Beginner ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> - 2013-11-20 11:04 -0800
                      Re: Python Beginner Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 19:21 +0000
                        Re: Python Beginner ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> - 2013-11-20 11:33 -0800
                          Re: Python Beginner Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 20:02 +0000
                      Re: Python Beginner Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-20 18:15 -0500
                  Re: Python Beginner Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-20 14:00 -0500
      Re: Python Beginner ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 02:18 -0800
        Re: Python Beginner Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-18 13:34 +0000
    Re: Python Beginner William Ray Wing <wrw@mac.com> - 2013-11-16 18:30 -0500

#59664 — Python Beginner

I am called Richard m from western Africa, Cameroon. It was a pleasure for me to join this group.

I have been learning python for about 4 months now and i have already mastered alot as far as the language is concern.

I am learning how to code, firstly because i love coding and i like to do stuffs.

secondly, i wihs to start a small company after learning how to code

I am learning python very broadly, meaning i am not concentrating on a single section. I wish to know the language and be able to apply it to any location in the field of tech.

i Need some advise on how, and what python can help me setup a business?

please just honest replies please

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#59665

On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:25 AM, ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am called Richard m from western Africa, Cameroon. It was a pleasure for me to join this group.

Hi! Welcome!

> secondly, i wihs to start a small company after learning how to code
>
> I am learning python very broadly, meaning i am not concentrating on a single section. I wish to know the language and be able to apply it to any location in the field of tech.
>
> i Need some advise on how, and what python can help me setup a business?

Frankly, my advice to you is: Don't. You've been writing code for a
few months, that's great; but starting a company is a completely
different thing to do.

I would recommend that you primarily code purely for pleasure - that
way, if you mess something up, you don't lose money. And then if you
want to go professional, get a salaried job at someone else's company,
rather than starting your own. It's a HUGE job to run your own
company, and that's not something your Python coding skill will help
with. Tax, legal requirements, profitability... headaches you don't
need.

Now, if you're already experienced at running a business, and want to
know what Python can do to make your life easier... that we can
answer! There are all sorts of automation and convenience jobs you can
do with Python. But that's quite different from what I think you're
asking here.

ChrisA

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#59668

On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:41:31 PM UTC+1, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:25 AM, ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I am called Richard m from western Africa, Cameroon. It was a pleasure for me to join this group.
> 
> 
> 
> Hi! Welcome!
> 
> 
> 
> > secondly, i wihs to start a small company after learning how to code
> 
> >
> 
> > I am learning python very broadly, meaning i am not concentrating on a single section. I wish to know the language and be able to apply it to any location in the field of tech.
> 
> >
> 
> > i Need some advise on how, and what python can help me setup a business?
> 
> 
> 
> Frankly, my advice to you is: Don't. You've been writing code for a
> 
> few months, that's great; but starting a company is a completely
> 
> different thing to do.
> 
> 
> 
> I would recommend that you primarily code purely for pleasure - that
> 
> way, if you mess something up, you don't lose money. And then if you
> 
> want to go professional, get a salaried job at someone else's company,
> 
> rather than starting your own. It's a HUGE job to run your own
> 
> company, and that's not something your Python coding skill will help
> 
> with. Tax, legal requirements, profitability... headaches you don't
> 
> need.
> 
> 
> 
> Now, if you're already experienced at running a business, and want to
> 
> know what Python can do to make your life easier... that we can
> 
> answer! There are all sorts of automation and convenience jobs you can
> 
> do with Python. But that's quite different from what I think you're
> 
> asking here.
> 
> 
> 
> ChrisA

Thanks for the reply
I am experience in running a business. Please i will like to know how python can make things easier as you said.
 

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#59669

On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM, ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am experience in running a business. Please i will like to know how python can make things easier as you said.

Well, anything you can describe in terms of rules and procedures can
be automated. But this is the art of programming; it's hard to
describe generally. Find something that you have to do lots of times,
and work on automating it. That's what code is good at!

ChrisA

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#59700

Hello Richard and welcome!


On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:41:31 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:25 AM, ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I am called Richard m from western Africa, Cameroon. It was a pleasure
>> for me to join this group.
[...]
>> i Need some advise on how, and what python can help me setup a
>> business?
> 
> Frankly, my advice to you is: Don't. You've been writing code for a few
> months, that's great; but starting a company is a completely different
> thing to do.

Chris, be careful about making assumptions about the business environment 
in other countries. I have no idea whether the cultural and regulatory 
issues surrounding running your own business (whether a formal company 
structure or just a sole trader) is easier or harder in Cameroon compared 
to Australia, and I'm willing to bet neither are you :-)

Richard, to answer your question, what can Python do to help you set up 
and run a business, that depends. What sort of business do you intend to 
run? The answer we give will depend on whether you expect your Python 
skills to be something you can make money from directly (e.g. "hire me, I 
am an expert Python programmer") or not (e.g. using Python as a tool to 
make your business more efficient).

If your business is in the IT industry, then you can offer Python 
consulting services, Python programming, web development with Python. You 
can use Python for developing your own internal tools that you use. If 
you have a website, you can create it using a large number of Python web 
frameworks, like Django, Zope, CherryPy, and others.

If your business is in some other industry, then Python may be less 
useful to you. Again, you can use Python to create your website. Other 
than that, it depends entirely on what your business does. If your 
business is landscape gardening, then there's probably nothing Python can 
do to help. If your business is analysing stock prices, then Python may 
be very, very useful indeed.

As a general rule, the closer your business is to IT and computing 
services, then the more likely it is that you can find ways to use Python 
to help you. But without knowing more, I can't say anything further.


> I would recommend that you primarily code purely for pleasure

And such a luxury it is, to have the free time to spend programming just 
for pleasure :-)



-- 
Steven

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#59832

Thank you guys for the replies

Cameroon is a third world country, the IT skills of the people here is far from attaining any legitimacy.

Many people are doing business here just like in the days of the Roman empire when computers had not been invented.

We have many companies needing skills professionals to solve their IT problems which they can't find and always have to hire from abroad.

Talking about problem in IT you can think of the most basic problem.

Taxation, databases, accounting, simple apps for businesses , tracking systems, bookkeeping, Mobil apps for city direction, etc, which i can't identify all being a python beginner. 

We don't even have a University that offer a full flesh computer science course and most of the guys who even do it, most know it in theory and they don't have the ability to write reasonable code to solve present problems.

The problems are enormous but i don't know all of them yet, but you can think of the most basic IT problems. 

Honestly not many people here have the patience to sit down and learn how to code, cause Cameroonians are not that too patient

With my knowledge of python, i wanted to get some advice or pathway guide.

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#59833

On 11/17/2013 11:02 PM, ngangsia akumbo wrote:

> Cameroon is a third world country, the IT skills of the people here
> is far from attaining any legitimacy.
>
> Many people are doing business here just like in the days of the
> Roman empire when computers had not been invented.
>
> We have many companies needing skills professionals to solve their IT
> problems which they can't find and always have to hire from abroad.
>
> Talking about problem in IT you can think of the most basic problem.
>
> Taxation, databases, accounting, simple apps for businesses ,
> tracking systems, bookkeeping, Mobil apps for city direction, etc,
> which i can't identify all being a python beginner.

To find (free) business software written in Python, search at
https://pypi.python.org/pypi
sourceforge.net
or you favorite search engine.

Perhaps you can learn to use and adapt a few to solve local business 
problems.

> We don't even have a University that offer a full flesh computer
> science course

The phrase you are looking for is 'full-fledged'. 'Fledge' has the same 
root as 'fly' and it means 'develop the feathers needed to fly' (for a 
young bird). So a full-fledged computer science course would be one that 
teaches you all the skills you need to 'fly' on your own.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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#59848

On Monday, November 18, 2013 5:42:22 AM UTC+1, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 11/17/2013 11:02 PM, ngangsia akumbo wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Cameroon is a third world country, the IT skills of the people here
> 
> > is far from attaining any legitimacy.
> 
> >
> 
> > Many people are doing business here just like in the days of the
> 
> > Roman empire when computers had not been invented.
> 
> >
> 
> > We have many companies needing skills professionals to solve their IT
> 
> > problems which they can't find and always have to hire from abroad.
> 
> >
> 
> > Talking about problem in IT you can think of the most basic problem.
> 
> >
> 
> > Taxation, databases, accounting, simple apps for businesses ,
> 
> > tracking systems, bookkeeping, Mobil apps for city direction, etc,
> 
> > which i can't identify all being a python beginner.
> 
> 
> 
> To find (free) business software written in Python, search at
> 
> https://pypi.python.org/pypi
> 
> sourceforge.net
> 
> or you favorite search engine.
> 
> 
> 
> Perhaps you can learn to use and adapt a few to solve local business 
> 
> problems.
> 
> 
> 
> > We don't even have a University that offer a full flesh computer
> 
> > science course
> 
> 
> 
> The phrase you are looking for is 'full-fledged'. 'Fledge' has the same 
> 
> root as 'fly' and it means 'develop the feathers needed to fly' (for a 
> 
> young bird). So a full-fledged computer science course would be one that 
> 
> teaches you all the skills you need to 'fly' on your own.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Terry Jan Reedy

not 'full-fledged' but a uni that offers a complete program on CS

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#59943

> On Monday, November 18, 2013 5:42:22 AM UTC+1, Terry Reedy wrote:
> 
>>On 11/17/2013 11:02 PM, ngangsia akumbo wrote:

>>>We don't even have a University that offer a full flesh computer
>>>science course
>>
>>
>>The phrase you are looking for is 'full-fledged'.

He might have meant "fully fleshed-out", i.e. complete.

Or it might be an adults-only computer science course. :-)

-- 
Greg

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#60121

can someone really help to give me a more details answer please.

what can i do with python?

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#60123

Pretty much anything you can think off. You can create games. Also, you can make python a front-end program attach to a back-end MySQL database as well make websites.
Pretty much anything you can think off. You just have to think about layout what you are trying to accomplish.
Is there anything you are trying to accomplish by coming into programming?



-----Original Message-----
From: ngangsia akumbo [mailto:ngangsia@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:35 PM
To: python-list@python.org
Subject: Re: Python Beginner

can someone really help to give me a more details answer please.

what can i do with python?

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#60124

Yes a lot, i come from a third world country. 

It will be a big opportunity for me and my community to study and being able to create programs, web apps etc which can solve a lot of problems in my country and around.
Each day i go out i see at least one problem that technology can solve.

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#60126

On 20/11/2013 19:04, ngangsia akumbo wrote:
> Yes a lot, i come from a third world country.
>
> It will be a big opportunity for me and my community to study and being able to create programs, web apps etc which can solve a lot of problems in my country and around.
> Each day i go out i see at least one problem that technology can solve.
>

Things to get you going?

Browse for stuff in the Global Module Index 
http://docs.python.org/3/py-modindex.html to see if there's anything in 
the standard library that you can use to write code.

Check out the package index https://pypi.python.org/pypi for anything 
that already solves a problem.

Check out other code repositories such as sourceforge 
http://sourceforge.net/ or google http://code.google.com/hosting/

HTH and the best of luck with your endeavours :)

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#60127

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:21:44 PM UTC+1, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 20/11/2013 19:04, ngangsia akumbo wrote:
> 
> > Yes a lot, i come from a third world country.
> 
> >
> 
> > It will be a big opportunity for me and my community to study and being able to create programs, web apps etc which can solve a lot of problems in my country and around.
> 
> > Each day i go out i see at least one problem that technology can solve.
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Things to get you going?
> 
> 
> 
> Browse for stuff in the Global Module Index 
> 
> http://docs.python.org/3/py-modindex.html to see if there's anything in 
> 
> the standard library that you can use to write code.
> 
> 
> 
> Check out the package index https://pypi.python.org/pypi for anything 
> 
> that already solves a problem.
> 
> 
> 
> Check out other code repositories such as sourceforge 
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/ or google http://code.google.com/hosting/
> 
> 
> 
> HTH and the best of luck with your endeavours :)
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Python is the second best programming language in the world.
> 
> But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Lawrence

Thanks bro

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#60133

On 20/11/2013 19:33, ngangsia akumbo wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:21:44 PM UTC+1, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>> On 20/11/2013 19:04, ngangsia akumbo wrote:
>>
>>> Yes a lot, i come from a third world country.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> It will be a big opportunity for me and my community to study and being able to create programs, web apps etc which can solve a lot of problems in my country and around.
>>
>>> Each day i go out i see at least one problem that technology can solve.
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Things to get you going?
>>
>>
>>
>> Browse for stuff in the Global Module Index
>>
>> http://docs.python.org/3/py-modindex.html to see if there's anything in
>>
>> the standard library that you can use to write code.
>>
>>
>>
>> Check out the package index https://pypi.python.org/pypi for anything
>>
>> that already solves a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Check out other code repositories such as sourceforge
>>
>> http://sourceforge.net/ or google http://code.google.com/hosting/
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH and the best of luck with your endeavours :)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Python is the second best programming language in the world.
>>
>> But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Lawrence
>
> Thanks bro
>

I'll act as your big bro if you'd like to read and action this 
https://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython, thanks :)  A quick 
glance above will show you why, but then consider what happens if 
multiple responses are sent all adding unwanted newlines, it's a total mess.

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#60141

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:04:32 -0800 (PST), ngangsia akumbo
<ngangsia@gmail.com> declaimed the following:

>Yes a lot, i come from a third world country. 
>
>It will be a big opportunity for me and my community to study and being able to create programs, web apps etc which can solve a lot of problems in my country and around.
>Each day i go out i see at least one problem that technology can solve.

	It sounds to me more that you really need to start small: What if
Programming...

	Python is just one language in a slew of them, and in theory (as all
are considered Turing complete) they all can do the same thing. The only
differences then become a matter of detailed needs.

Python has a fairly large standard library and 3rd party add-on modules for
various problem domains... It has a fairly friendly syntax (unlike PERL --
and Ruby has too many PERLisms for my taste too).

In contrast, for example, Ada has a much smaller standard library and
add-ons... But the language is well-suited to compile time error detection
(whereas 90% of Python is run-time error detection). The Ada syntax fixed
the problems of Pascal (and Modula-x in my mind). It has tasking defined as
part of the syntax of the language, rather than as a function library.

Fortran has added some features over the years but still shows its 60+ year
heritage -- however, many number crunching packages are still provided
using Fortran (lapack, NEC-2 [and likely NEC-4, but NEC-4 is still
restricted software while NEC-2 is freely available]{Numerical
Electromagnetic Code -- software for modeling antenna structures and the EM
field emitted by them}

COBOL is famous for business/accounting applications -- and Fujitsu COBOL
even had a "visual" programming (event driven GUI applications) capability.
Pity the version 4 supplied with my Y2K text books won't install on WinXP
(and I've not tried later Win versions).

	Python makes a good starter language (skip BASIC <G>). It is also a
good advanced application language if you understand the limitations (it
does not compile to machine specific binary, may be slow for number
crunching unless you can use a specialist compiled library, etc.)
-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#60125

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Hector Chapa <hchapa@lrgvdc911.org> wrote:
> Pretty much anything you can think off. You can create games. Also, you can make python a front-end program attach to a back-end MySQL database as well make websites.
> Pretty much anything you can think off. You just have to think about layout what you are trying to accomplish.
> Is there anything you are trying to accomplish by coming into programming?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ngangsia akumbo [mailto:ngangsia@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:35 PM
> To: python-list@python.org
> Subject: Re: Python Beginner
>
> can someone really help to give me a more details answer please.
>
> what can i do with python?
>
>
> --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

you can cook dinner with python... really.. this isn't a real question

-- 
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com

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#59849

On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:41:31 PM UTC+1, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:25 AM, ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I am called Richard m from western Africa, Cameroon. It was a pleasure for me to join this group.
> 
> 
> 
> Hi! Welcome!
> 
> 
> 
> > secondly, i wihs to start a small company after learning how to code
> 
> >
> 
> > I am learning python very broadly, meaning i am not concentrating on a single section. I wish to know the language and be able to apply it to any location in the field of tech.
> 
> >
> 
> > i Need some advise on how, and what python can help me setup a business?
> 
> 
> 
> Frankly, my advice to you is: Don't. You've been writing code for a
> 
> few months, that's great; but starting a company is a completely
> 
> different thing to do.
> 
> 
> 
> I would recommend that you primarily code purely for pleasure - that
> 
> way, if you mess something up, you don't lose money. And then if you
> 
> want to go professional, get a salaried job at someone else's company,
> 
> rather than starting your own. It's a HUGE job to run your own
> 
> company, and that's not something your Python coding skill will help
> 
> with. Tax, legal requirements, profitability... headaches you don't
> 
> need.
> 
> 
> 
> Now, if you're already experienced at running a business, and want to
> 
> know what Python can do to make your life easier... that we can
> 
> answer! There are all sorts of automation and convenience jobs you can
> 
> do with Python. But that's quite different from what I think you're
> 
> asking here.
> 
> 
> 
> ChrisA

I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM YOU

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#59863

On 18/11/2013 10:18, ngangsia akumbo wrote:
> On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:41:31 PM UTC+1, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:25 AM, ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am called Richard m from western Africa, Cameroon. It was a pleasure for me to join this group.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi! Welcome!
>>
>>
>>
>>> secondly, i wihs to start a small company after learning how to code
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I am learning python very broadly, meaning i am not concentrating on a single section. I wish to know the language and be able to apply it to any location in the field of tech.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> i Need some advise on how, and what python can help me setup a business?
>>
>>
>>
>> Frankly, my advice to you is: Don't. You've been writing code for a
>>
>> few months, that's great; but starting a company is a completely
>>
>> different thing to do.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would recommend that you primarily code purely for pleasure - that
>>
>> way, if you mess something up, you don't lose money. And then if you
>>
>> want to go professional, get a salaried job at someone else's company,
>>
>> rather than starting your own. It's a HUGE job to run your own
>>
>> company, and that's not something your Python coding skill will help
>>
>> with. Tax, legal requirements, profitability... headaches you don't
>>
>> need.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, if you're already experienced at running a business, and want to
>>
>> know what Python can do to make your life easier... that we can
>>
>> answer! There are all sorts of automation and convenience jobs you can
>>
>> do with Python. But that's quite different from what I think you're
>>
>> asking here.
>>
>>
>>
>> ChrisA
>
> I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM YOU
>

Please don't shout.  Please read and action this 
https://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython to prevent the double 
spaced lines we see above, thanks.

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#59670

On Nov 16, 2013, at 5:25 PM, ngangsia akumbo <ngangsia@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am called Richard m from western Africa, Cameroon. It was a pleasure for me to join this group.
> 
> I have been learning python for about 4 months now and i have already mastered alot as far as the language is concern.
> 
> I am learning how to code, firstly because i love coding and i like to do stuffs.
> 
> secondly, i wihs to start a small company after learning how to code
> 
> I am learning python very broadly, meaning i am not concentrating on a single section. I wish to know the language and be able to apply it to any location in the field of tech.
> 
> i Need some advise on how, and what python can help me setup a business?
> 
> please just honest replies please
> -- 
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Hi Richard m from western Africa, Cameroon, and welcome to the list.

Your question is VERY broad, and difficult for anyone who is not knowledgeable of the context/business-climate in Cameroon to answer (and I'm afraid that probably includes most of the people on this list.)

Chris' advice is spot on, BUT, and if for any reason you think circumstances in Cameroon would lead to a different answer - then, there are three general areas in which a python developer might be able to earn a bit of coin.

1)  Consulting, that is, if you know more about a subject than any OTHER businessman in the area, you may be able to sell answers to problems he/they may be having

2)  Web development, python (in combination with web-specific frameworks like django) is a really powerful tool for developing web sites

3) Specific, proprietary, application development, if there is some Cameroon-specific application that other locals like yourself would find so useful they would pay money to have it (or an application some local company would pay you for), you might be in a position to sell it.

BUT, please note that all three of these are full of "if", "may", and "might" qualifiers.  They are EXTREMELY difficult to slip through.

-Bill 

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