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| First post | 2013-11-19 10:40 -0800 |
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Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend bradleybooth12345@gmail.com - 2013-11-19 10:40 -0800
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend maxwell34m@gmail.com - 2013-11-19 11:05 -0800
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Neil Cerutti <mr.cerutti@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 14:07 -0500
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Gary Herron <gary.herron@islandtraining.com> - 2013-11-19 11:06 -0800
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend bradleybooth12345@gmail.com - 2013-11-19 11:27 -0800
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 20:48 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-20 11:38 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-23 02:03 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 14:51 -0800
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-20 00:17 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-11-19 22:10 -0500
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-20 03:52 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-11-20 00:54 -0500
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 09:29 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 13:57 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 14:51 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-20 18:33 -0500
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2013-11-21 15:44 +0200
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 14:49 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 02:05 +1100
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:06 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:09 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 02:14 +1100
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:35 +0000
Multiple postings Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:36 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:34 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 16:29 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 16:45 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-20 09:12 -0800
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 17:37 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-20 09:51 -0800
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 18:09 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-20 10:18 -0800
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 18:35 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-20 11:54 -0800
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 07:26 +1100
Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-21 00:27 +0000
Re: Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend] MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-11-21 00:48 +0000
Re: Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend] Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk> - 2013-11-21 09:08 +0000
Re: Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-22 17:10 +1300
Re: Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 20:46 +1100
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-21 12:53 +0100
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-22 02:48 +1100
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Neil Cerutti <mr.cerutti@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 11:29 -0500
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-22 04:10 +1100
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend bradleybooth12345@gmail.com - 2013-11-21 15:17 -0800
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Gary Herron <gary.herron@islandtraining.com> - 2013-11-21 15:35 -0800
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend bradleybooth12345@gmail.com - 2013-11-21 15:55 -0800
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-11-21 19:55 -0500
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Gary Herron <gary.herron@islandtraining.com> - 2013-11-21 20:17 -0800
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-11-21 19:17 -0500
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:34 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 15:06 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-20 15:24 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 14:50 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 14:50 +0000
Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-20 09:29 +0000
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| From | Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 15:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <8e4ju.71474$Xe4.3764@fx34.am4> |
| In reply to | #60086 |
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:49:59 +0000, Alister wrote: > On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:57:30 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote: > >> On 20/11/2013 09:29, Alister wrote: >>> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 00:54:28 -0500, Dave Angel wrote: >>> >>>> On 20 Nov 2013 03:52:10 GMT, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> >>>> wrote: >>>>> 2 does count because it isn't divisible by 3. The question states, >>>>> "[count] how many positive integers less than N are not divisible >>>> by 2,3 >>>>> or 5". Two is not divisible by 3, so "not divisible by 2,3 or 5" is >>>> true, >>>>> so two gets counted. >>>> >>>>> The first number which is divisible by *all* of 2, 3 and 5 (i.e. >>>> fails >>>>> the test, and therefore doesn't get counted) is 30. The next few >>>> that >>>>> fail the test are 60, 90, 120, 150, 180, 210, 240, 270, 300, ... >>>>> Remember, these are the numbers which should not be counted. >>>> >>>>>> I count 1, not 6 >>>> >>>>> Out of curiosity, which number did you count? >>>> >>>> 1 of course. It's the only one that's not divisible by any of the >>>> factors. >>>> >>>> Apparently we disagree about precedence and associativity in English. >>>> I believe the not applies to the result of (divisible by 2, 3, or 5), >>>> so I'd count 1, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23. The first nonprime would be >>>> 49. >>>> >>>> If I were trying to get the series you describe, I'd phrase it as >>>> "Not divisible by 2, and not divisible by 3, and not divisible by >>>> 5" >>> >>> This ambiguity is a great example of why teachers (and enayone else >>> responsible for specifying a programming project) should take greater >>> care when specifying tasks. >>> if it is to late to ask for clarification (the correct step in a real >>> world case) I suggest you write 2 programs 1 for each interpretation, >>> it will be good for your personal learning even if the teacher does >>> not give any extra credit. >>> >>> >> Ambiguity is the reason that some of the most expensive language >> lessons in the world are at places like Sandhurst and West Point. >> Giving crystal clear orders, whether verbally or in writing, is >> considered quite important in the military. >> >> By the way, this is double posted and there were four identical >> messages from you yesterday, finger trouble or what? :) > > I don't think the problem is at my end. I am only sending once to the > best of my knowledge (using Pan newsreader to Comp.lang.python) Ok this is now silly Apologies to everyone I am monitoring my network connection to confirm that i am not sending multiple times. -- T-1's congested due to porn traffic to the news server.
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| From | Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 15:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Xg4ju.71519$Xe4.11829@fx34.am4> |
| In reply to | #60091 |
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:06:44 +0000, Alister wrote: > On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:49:59 +0000, Alister wrote: > >> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:57:30 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> >>> On 20/11/2013 09:29, Alister wrote: >>>> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 00:54:28 -0500, Dave Angel wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 20 Nov 2013 03:52:10 GMT, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> 2 does count because it isn't divisible by 3. The question states, >>>>>> "[count] how many positive integers less than N are not divisible >>>>> by 2,3 >>>>>> or 5". Two is not divisible by 3, so "not divisible by 2,3 or 5" is >>>>> true, >>>>>> so two gets counted. >>>>> >>>>>> The first number which is divisible by *all* of 2, 3 and 5 (i.e. >>>>> fails >>>>>> the test, and therefore doesn't get counted) is 30. The next few >>>>> that >>>>>> fail the test are 60, 90, 120, 150, 180, 210, 240, 270, 300, ... >>>>>> Remember, these are the numbers which should not be counted. >>>>> >>>>>>> I count 1, not 6 >>>>> >>>>>> Out of curiosity, which number did you count? >>>>> >>>>> 1 of course. It's the only one that's not divisible by any of the >>>>> factors. >>>>> >>>>> Apparently we disagree about precedence and associativity in >>>>> English. >>>>> I believe the not applies to the result of (divisible by 2, 3, or >>>>> 5), >>>>> so I'd count 1, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23. The first nonprime would be >>>>> 49. >>>>> >>>>> If I were trying to get the series you describe, I'd phrase it as >>>>> "Not divisible by 2, and not divisible by 3, and not divisible by >>>>> 5" >>>> >>>> This ambiguity is a great example of why teachers (and enayone else >>>> responsible for specifying a programming project) should take greater >>>> care when specifying tasks. >>>> if it is to late to ask for clarification (the correct step in a real >>>> world case) I suggest you write 2 programs 1 for each interpretation, >>>> it will be good for your personal learning even if the teacher does >>>> not give any extra credit. >>>> >>>> >>> Ambiguity is the reason that some of the most expensive language >>> lessons in the world are at places like Sandhurst and West Point. >>> Giving crystal clear orders, whether verbally or in writing, is >>> considered quite important in the military. >>> >>> By the way, this is double posted and there were four identical >>> messages from you yesterday, finger trouble or what? :) >> >> I don't think the problem is at my end. I am only sending once to the >> best of my knowledge (using Pan newsreader to Comp.lang.python) > > Ok this is now silly Apologies to everyone I am monitoring my network > connection to confirm that i am not sending multiple times. that last one seemed good must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & allow multiple instances. not sure why either of them should cause the problem, I only have 1 copie running -- Next to being shot at and missed, nothing is really quite as satisfying as an income tax refund. -- F. J. Raymond
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-21 02:14 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2968.1384960462.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #60092 |
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote: > must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & allow > multiple instances. Hmm. Hard to know, but I can imagine that having multiple instances MIGHT cause a problem. But if that's confirmed (maybe fire up three copies and then post to a test newsgroup??), I'd be reporting that as a bug in Pan. ChrisA
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| From | Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 15:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <SE4ju.128241$gs7.108860@fx16.am4> |
| In reply to | #60094 |
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:14:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> > wrote: >> must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & allow >> multiple instances. > > Hmm. Hard to know, but I can imagine that having multiple instances > MIGHT cause a problem. But if that's confirmed (maybe fire up three > copies and then post to a test newsgroup??), I'd be reporting that as a > bug in Pan. > > ChrisA As a quick test lets see how may times this one arrives -- You can fool all the people all of the time if the advertising is right and the budget is big enough. -- Joseph E. Levine
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| From | Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 15:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Multiple postings |
| Message-ID | <iG4ju.128268$gs7.104755@fx16.am4> |
| In reply to | #60096 |
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:35:14 +0000, Alister wrote: > On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:14:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> >> wrote: >>> must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & >>> allow multiple instances. >> >> Hmm. Hard to know, but I can imagine that having multiple instances >> MIGHT cause a problem. But if that's confirmed (maybe fire up three >> copies and then post to a test newsgroup??), I'd be reporting that as a >> bug in Pan. >> >> ChrisA > > As a quick test lets see how may times this one arrives that seemed fine with multiple instances enabled (only 1 running though) now trying with just hide in sys tray -- Our similarities are different. -Dale Berra, son of Yogi
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| From | Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 15:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <WD4ju.169174$v41.154149@fx23.am4> |
| In reply to | #60094 |
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:14:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> > wrote: >> must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & allow >> multiple instances. > > Hmm. Hard to know, but I can imagine that having multiple instances > MIGHT cause a problem. But if that's confirmed (maybe fire up three > copies and then post to a test newsgroup??), I'd be reporting that as a > bug in Pan. > > ChrisA As a quick test lets see how may times this one arrives -- You can fool all the people all of the time if the advertising is right and the budget is big enough. -- Joseph E. Levine
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 16:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2975.1384965010.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #60098 |
On 20/11/2013 15:34, Alister wrote: > On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:14:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> >> wrote: >>> must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & allow >>> multiple instances. >> >> Hmm. Hard to know, but I can imagine that having multiple instances >> MIGHT cause a problem. But if that's confirmed (maybe fire up three >> copies and then post to a test newsgroup??), I'd be reporting that as a >> bug in Pan. >> >> ChrisA > > As a quick test lets see how may times this one arrives > Three. You're not Greek are you, and using a typical shabby Nazi trick to hide behind an ntlworld email address in order to spam us? :) -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence
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| From | Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 16:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oG5ju.50734$eW6.9613@fx36.am4> |
| In reply to | #60108 |
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:29:54 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 20/11/2013 15:34, Alister wrote: >> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:14:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> >>> wrote: >>>> must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & >>>> allow multiple instances. >>> >>> Hmm. Hard to know, but I can imagine that having multiple instances >>> MIGHT cause a problem. But if that's confirmed (maybe fire up three >>> copies and then post to a test newsgroup??), I'd be reporting that as >>> a bug in Pan. >>> >>> ChrisA >> >> As a quick test lets see how may times this one arrives >> >> > Three. You're not Greek are you, and using a typical shabby Nazi trick > to hide behind an ntlworld email address in order to spam us? :) Certainly not & I hope i never cause that much offence It looks like some settings in Pan cause it to misbehave. now it is O.K. (i think) i am going to leave it alone. -- Christ was born in 4 B.C.
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| From | Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 09:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c207052d-22d9-40db-989d-85a80b4b981a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #60108 |
On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:29:54 AM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 20/11/2013 15:34, Alister wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:14:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> > >> wrote: > >>> must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & allow > >>> multiple instances. > >> > >> Hmm. Hard to know, but I can imagine that having multiple instances > >> MIGHT cause a problem. But if that's confirmed (maybe fire up three > >> copies and then post to a test newsgroup??), I'd be reporting that as a > >> bug in Pan. > >> > >> ChrisA > > > > As a quick test lets see how may times this one arrives > > > > Three. You're not Greek are you, and using a typical shabby Nazi trick > to hide behind an ntlworld email address in order to spam us? :) > > Mark Lawrence Nazi? Perhaps we could stick to more appropriate analogies? --Ned.
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 17:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2979.1384969067.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #60116 |
On 20/11/2013 17:12, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:29:54 AM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> On 20/11/2013 15:34, Alister wrote: >>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:14:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & allow >>>>> multiple instances. >>>> >>>> Hmm. Hard to know, but I can imagine that having multiple instances >>>> MIGHT cause a problem. But if that's confirmed (maybe fire up three >>>> copies and then post to a test newsgroup??), I'd be reporting that as a >>>> bug in Pan. >>>> >>>> ChrisA >>> >>> As a quick test lets see how may times this one arrives >>> >> >> Three. You're not Greek are you, and using a typical shabby Nazi trick >> to hide behind an ntlworld email address in order to spam us? :) >> >> Mark Lawrence > > Nazi? Perhaps we could stick to more appropriate analogies? > > --Ned. > It's an excellent analogy that I've used before, hence the smiley. Clearly you don't do any research before bothering to say anything. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence
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| From | Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 09:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <15a6e59c-1ebc-44dc-9441-b2410a49ab98@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #60117 |
On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:37:31 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 20/11/2013 17:12, Ned Batchelder wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:29:54 AM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: > >> On 20/11/2013 15:34, Alister wrote: > >>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:14:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & allow > >>>>> multiple instances. > >>>> > >>>> Hmm. Hard to know, but I can imagine that having multiple instances > >>>> MIGHT cause a problem. But if that's confirmed (maybe fire up three > >>>> copies and then post to a test newsgroup??), I'd be reporting that as a > >>>> bug in Pan. > >>>> > >>>> ChrisA > >>> > >>> As a quick test lets see how may times this one arrives > >>> > >> > >> Three. You're not Greek are you, and using a typical shabby Nazi trick > >> to hide behind an ntlworld email address in order to spam us? :) > >> > >> Mark Lawrence > > > > Nazi? Perhaps we could stick to more appropriate analogies? > > > > --Ned. > > > > It's an excellent analogy that I've used before, hence the smiley. > Clearly you don't do any research before bothering to say anything. > > -- > Python is the second best programming language in the world. > But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer > > Mark Lawrence You think these two things make an excellent analogy? 1) a newsgroup mishap being actively investigated, and 2) calculated genocide. It is not an excellent analogy, it's wildly disproportionate. Using a smiley doesn't fix it, and using it previously doesn't give you a free pass. What research was I supposed to have done? Examine your previous posts to see you overreacting before? That would hardly have convinced me that this was OK. --Ned.
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 18:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2980.1384971000.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #60118 |
On 20/11/2013 17:51, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:37:31 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> On 20/11/2013 17:12, Ned Batchelder wrote: >>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:29:54 AM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: >>>> On 20/11/2013 15:34, Alister wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:14:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & allow >>>>>>> multiple instances. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hmm. Hard to know, but I can imagine that having multiple instances >>>>>> MIGHT cause a problem. But if that's confirmed (maybe fire up three >>>>>> copies and then post to a test newsgroup??), I'd be reporting that as a >>>>>> bug in Pan. >>>>>> >>>>>> ChrisA >>>>> >>>>> As a quick test lets see how may times this one arrives >>>>> >>>> >>>> Three. You're not Greek are you, and using a typical shabby Nazi trick >>>> to hide behind an ntlworld email address in order to spam us? :) >>>> >>>> Mark Lawrence >>> >>> Nazi? Perhaps we could stick to more appropriate analogies? >>> >>> --Ned. >>> >> >> It's an excellent analogy that I've used before, hence the smiley. >> Clearly you don't do any research before bothering to say anything. >> >> -- >> Python is the second best programming language in the world. >> But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer >> >> Mark Lawrence > > You think these two things make an excellent analogy? 1) a newsgroup mishap being actively investigated, and 2) calculated genocide. It is not an excellent analogy, it's wildly disproportionate. > > Using a smiley doesn't fix it, and using it previously doesn't give you a free pass. What research was I supposed to have done? Examine your previous posts to see you overreacting before? That would hardly have convinced me that this was OK. > > --Ned. > I suggest that you write to the BBC and get all episodes of the extremely popular *COMEDY* "Dad's Army" withdrawn as "typical shabby Nazi trick" was one of Captain Mainwearing's main lines. And if I want to overreact, I'll overreact, as I couldn't care two hoots whether I'm dealing with an arsehole from the Python Software Foundation or one who's not. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence
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| From | Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 10:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10047f96-988a-429b-80e5-a95fe24110e3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #60119 |
On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:09:42 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 20/11/2013 17:51, Ned Batchelder wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:37:31 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: > >> On 20/11/2013 17:12, Ned Batchelder wrote: > >>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:29:54 AM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: > >>>> On 20/11/2013 15:34, Alister wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:14:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & allow > >>>>>>> multiple instances. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hmm. Hard to know, but I can imagine that having multiple instances > >>>>>> MIGHT cause a problem. But if that's confirmed (maybe fire up three > >>>>>> copies and then post to a test newsgroup??), I'd be reporting that as a > >>>>>> bug in Pan. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ChrisA > >>>>> > >>>>> As a quick test lets see how may times this one arrives > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Three. You're not Greek are you, and using a typical shabby Nazi trick > >>>> to hide behind an ntlworld email address in order to spam us? :) > >>>> > >>>> Mark Lawrence > >>> > >>> Nazi? Perhaps we could stick to more appropriate analogies? > >>> > >>> --Ned. > >>> > >> > >> It's an excellent analogy that I've used before, hence the smiley. > >> Clearly you don't do any research before bothering to say anything. > >> > >> Mark Lawrence > > > > You think these two things make an excellent analogy? 1) a newsgroup mishap being actively investigated, and 2) calculated genocide. It is not an excellent analogy, it's wildly disproportionate. > > > > Using a smiley doesn't fix it, and using it previously doesn't give you a free pass. What research was I supposed to have done? Examine your previous posts to see you overreacting before? That would hardly have convinced me that this was OK. > > > > --Ned. > > > > I suggest that you write to the BBC and get all episodes of the > extremely popular *COMEDY* "Dad's Army" withdrawn as "typical shabby > Nazi trick" was one of Captain Mainwearing's main lines. I see what you are getting at. You were referring to a TV show popular in your part of the world 30 years ago. As this is a world-wide group, you might understand that I didn't get the reference, and perhaps many others did not either. Humor is tricky, you need to know your audience. > And if I want > to overreact, I'll overreact, as I couldn't care two hoots whether I'm > dealing with an arsehole from the Python Software Foundation or one > who's not. I have no idea why you feel the need to insult me. As to the PSF, this is relevant: http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct. "Members of the community are respectful." Could you please be? --Ned. > > Mark Lawrence
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 18:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2981.1384972530.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #60120 |
On 20/11/2013 18:18, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:09:42 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> On 20/11/2013 17:51, Ned Batchelder wrote: >>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:37:31 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: >>>> On 20/11/2013 17:12, Ned Batchelder wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:29:54 AM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: >>>>>> On 20/11/2013 15:34, Alister wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:14:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & allow >>>>>>>>> multiple instances. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hmm. Hard to know, but I can imagine that having multiple instances >>>>>>>> MIGHT cause a problem. But if that's confirmed (maybe fire up three >>>>>>>> copies and then post to a test newsgroup??), I'd be reporting that as a >>>>>>>> bug in Pan. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ChrisA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As a quick test lets see how may times this one arrives >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Three. You're not Greek are you, and using a typical shabby Nazi trick >>>>>> to hide behind an ntlworld email address in order to spam us? :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark Lawrence >>>>> >>>>> Nazi? Perhaps we could stick to more appropriate analogies? >>>>> >>>>> --Ned. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It's an excellent analogy that I've used before, hence the smiley. >>>> Clearly you don't do any research before bothering to say anything. >>>> >>>> Mark Lawrence >>> >>> You think these two things make an excellent analogy? 1) a newsgroup mishap being actively investigated, and 2) calculated genocide. It is not an excellent analogy, it's wildly disproportionate. >>> >>> Using a smiley doesn't fix it, and using it previously doesn't give you a free pass. What research was I supposed to have done? Examine your previous posts to see you overreacting before? That would hardly have convinced me that this was OK. >>> >>> --Ned. >>> >> >> I suggest that you write to the BBC and get all episodes of the >> extremely popular *COMEDY* "Dad's Army" withdrawn as "typical shabby >> Nazi trick" was one of Captain Mainwearing's main lines. > > I see what you are getting at. You were referring to a TV show popular in your part of the world 30 years ago. As this is a world-wide group, you might understand that I didn't get the reference, and perhaps many others did not either. Humor is tricky, you need to know your audience. > It was 45 years ago, at very much the same time that another very popular comedy was on, but its name escapes me right now. >> And if I want >> to overreact, I'll overreact, as I couldn't care two hoots whether I'm >> dealing with an arsehole from the Python Software Foundation or one >> who's not. > > I have no idea why you feel the need to insult me. As to the PSF, this is relevant: http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct. "Members of the community are respectful." Could you please be? > > --Ned. > > >> >> Mark Lawrence > You mean after I had to plonk you from my own email because you kept sending messages despite the fact that I'd asked you not to. So the references above only apply to me but not to you? You bloody two faced hypocrite, excuse me while I go off and barf. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence
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| From | Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-20 11:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <63465a22-bed7-4ff2-a120-b44bc2ba518e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #60122 |
On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:35:06 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 20/11/2013 18:18, Ned Batchelder wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:09:42 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: > >> On 20/11/2013 17:51, Ned Batchelder wrote: > >>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:37:31 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: > >>>> On 20/11/2013 17:12, Ned Batchelder wrote: > >>>>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:29:54 AM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: > >>>>>> On 20/11/2013 15:34, Alister wrote: > >>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:14:12 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> must be a strange quirk of pan & turned off hide to system tray & allow > >>>>>>>>> multiple instances. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hmm. Hard to know, but I can imagine that having multiple instances > >>>>>>>> MIGHT cause a problem. But if that's confirmed (maybe fire up three > >>>>>>>> copies and then post to a test newsgroup??), I'd be reporting that as a > >>>>>>>> bug in Pan. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ChrisA > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> As a quick test lets see how may times this one arrives > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Three. You're not Greek are you, and using a typical shabby Nazi trick > >>>>>> to hide behind an ntlworld email address in order to spam us? :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mark Lawrence > >>>>> > >>>>> Nazi? Perhaps we could stick to more appropriate analogies? > >>>>> > >>>>> --Ned. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> It's an excellent analogy that I've used before, hence the smiley. > >>>> Clearly you don't do any research before bothering to say anything. > >>>> > >>>> Mark Lawrence > >>> > >>> You think these two things make an excellent analogy? 1) a newsgroup mishap being actively investigated, and 2) calculated genocide. It is not an excellent analogy, it's wildly disproportionate. > >>> > >>> Using a smiley doesn't fix it, and using it previously doesn't give you a free pass. What research was I supposed to have done? Examine your previous posts to see you overreacting before? That would hardly have convinced me that this was OK. > >>> > >>> --Ned. > >>> > >> > >> I suggest that you write to the BBC and get all episodes of the > >> extremely popular *COMEDY* "Dad's Army" withdrawn as "typical shabby > >> Nazi trick" was one of Captain Mainwearing's main lines. > > > > I see what you are getting at. You were referring to a TV show popular in your part of the world 30 years ago. As this is a world-wide group, you might understand that I didn't get the reference, and perhaps many others did not either. Humor is tricky, you need to know your audience. > > > > It was 45 years ago, at very much the same time that another very > popular comedy was on, but its name escapes me right now. > > >> And if I want > >> to overreact, I'll overreact, as I couldn't care two hoots whether I'm > >> dealing with an arsehole from the Python Software Foundation or one > >> who's not. > > > > I have no idea why you feel the need to insult me. As to the PSF, this is relevant: http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct. "Members of the community are respectful." Could you please be? > > > > --Ned. > > > > > >> > >> Mark Lawrence > > > > You mean after I had to plonk you from my own email because you kept > sending messages despite the fact that I'd asked you not to. So the > references above only apply to me but not to you? You bloody two faced > hypocrite, excuse me while I go off and barf. > > Mark Lawrence I apologize for sending you off-list emails. I'm still baffled why you find them so objectionable, but I won't do it any more. I often send emails to people when I want to communicate privately with them, I didn't mean any offense. Next time someone doesn't understand one of your jokes, perhaps you could simply explain the joke, rather than calling them an "arsehole". Or I guess you were already angry with me, and others would have been treated better. My membership in the PSF seems to irritate you, but again, I don't know why. --Ned.
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-21 07:26 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2989.1384979188.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #60120 |
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:09:42 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> I suggest that you write to the BBC and get all episodes of the >> extremely popular *COMEDY* "Dad's Army" withdrawn as "typical shabby >> Nazi trick" was one of Captain Mainwearing's main lines. > > I see what you are getting at. You were referring to a TV show popular in your part of the world 30 years ago. As this is a world-wide group, you might understand that I didn't get the reference, and perhaps many others did not either. Humor is tricky, you need to know your audience. The solution is really quite simple. The insertion of a single footnote will do it. Let it stand that every obscure reference is explained after your signature, and there you are, out of your difficulty at once! [1] ChrisA [1] See Gilbert & Sullivan's "Iolanthe", eg http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/iolanthe/web_op/iol23d.html
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2013-11-21 00:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend] |
| Message-ID | <528d5370$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #60119 |
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:09:42 +0000, Mark Lawrence defended his reference
to Nazism:
>>> It's an excellent analogy that I've used before, hence the smiley.
>>> Clearly you don't do any research before bothering to say anything.
I for one *have* done extensive research on the Nazis, not to a
professional academic standard, but certainly to the point where I like
to flatter myself that I know a thing or two about them, their political
philosophy, and their actions. I must say that your analogy "multiple
postings to a newsgroup implies Nazi" perplexes me too.
[...]
> I suggest that you write to the BBC and get all episodes of the
> extremely popular *COMEDY* "Dad's Army" withdrawn as "typical shabby
> Nazi trick" was one of Captain Mainwearing's main lines.
I fully support the right of everyone to make cryptic references to
movies, television shows, science fiction and fantasy novels, internet
memes, and assorted pop culture references. Offler knows I've done it
myself. But, if the reference falls flat, or worse is misunderstood, and
sometimes they will, can I suggest there are two appropriate responses?
1) Sheepish apology for making a reference too obscure, e.g.:
Oh, sorry, I was quoting Captain Mainwearing's catchphrase
from "Dad's Army", it isn't intended to imply that Alister is
an actual goose-stepping fascist who believes a lot of racial
pseudo-scientific rubbish.
2) Incredulity that anyone might have missed the reference, e.g.:
What? How can anyone not recognise that reference? Everyone I
know in the UK over the age of 60 loves the show "Dad's Army"!
This is one of the funniest lines from it! Oh how me dear ol'
mum used to laugh every time Captain Mainwearing said it!
(Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once. I'm more of a 'Ello
'Ello person myself.)
> And if I want
> to overreact, I'll overreact, as I couldn't care two hoots whether I'm
> dealing with an arsehole from the Python Software Foundation or one
> who's not.
This, however, is very rarely an appropriate response for anyone over the
age of two.
--
Steven
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| From | MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-21 00:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2995.1384994912.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #60146 |
On 21/11/2013 00:27, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:09:42 +0000, Mark Lawrence defended his reference > to Nazism: > >>>> It's an excellent analogy that I've used before, hence the smiley. >>>> Clearly you don't do any research before bothering to say anything. > > I for one *have* done extensive research on the Nazis, not to a > professional academic standard, but certainly to the point where I like > to flatter myself that I know a thing or two about them, their political > philosophy, and their actions. I must say that your analogy "multiple > postings to a newsgroup implies Nazi" perplexes me too. > [snip] The Nazis were known for many bad things, but multiple postings wasn't one of them. (Nor spam, now I think about it...)
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| From | Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2013-11-21 09:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.3005.1385024930.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #60146 |
On 21/11/2013 00:27, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > I fully support the right of everyone to make cryptic references to > movies, television shows, science fiction and fantasy novels, internet > memes, and assorted pop culture references. One of the (occasionally humbling) effects of internet communication is the realisation that the pop-culture reference you assumed would be instantly shared and understood by *any normal person anywhere* is, in fact, confined to your own back yard. You may or may not have caught sight of the BBC's recent blanket marketing of the upcoming 50th anniversary of Dr Who, a somewhat iconic British TV series. I was genuinely perplexed when US-based websites started running articles like "What the *** is this Dr Who all about?" and "All you need to know about Dr Who: a Guide for the Unknowing". Here in Britain, even if you've never watched and/or hate the thing, you can't help at least knowing *something* about Dr Who. At least the basics: Doctor, TARDIS, Daleks; that sort of thing. In reverse, I'm sometimes bemused by (often, but not always) references to things which apparently sit centrally in the American pop-culture psyche but which are unknown over here, or at least simply known *about*. It's not usually a problem -- it's always fun to gain a bit of an insight into some other culture. Just occasionally, though, someone says, eg, "You keep using that word; I don't think it means what you think it means", intending it as a humorous reference to "The Princess Bride". But if you have (as I strongly suspect 99% of the world's population has) no knowledge of that film, or at least of its catchphrases, then it can come across instead as a slightly blunt admonition of someone else's ignorance. (Of course, if some were to say "My name is Inigo Montoya; you killed my father; prepare to die" without any further comment then you'd either have to assume that they were making a reference to a film or book unknown to you or that someone going by that alias genuinely believed you were responsible and had tracked you down across the internet to confront you finally on comp.lang.python. Who knows?) TJG
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| From | Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> |
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| Date | 2013-11-22 17:10 +1300 |
| Subject | Re: Off-topic: Pop culture references [was Re: Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend] |
| Message-ID | <bf83qdFu1v1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #60160 |
Tim Golden wrote: > One of the (occasionally humbling) effects of internet communication is > the realisation that the pop-culture reference you assumed would be > instantly shared and understood by *any normal person anywhere* is, in > fact, confined to your own back yard. Obviously we need a mail/newsreader plugin that googles for cultural references in the messages you're reading and inserts helpful footnote links! -- Greg
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