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  Automation Renato Barbosa Pim Pereira <renato.barbosa.pim.pereira@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 14:19 -0200
    Re: Automation Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 23:32 +0000
      Re: Automation Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-04 11:39 +0000
      Re: Automation Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 20:18 -0800
    Re: Automation rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 20:25 -0800
    Re: Automation renato.barbosa.pim.pereira@gmail.com - 2013-11-13 19:56 -0800
      Re: Automation Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-14 17:10 +0000
        Re: Automation Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-14 20:03 +0000
          Re: Automation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-15 10:04 +1100
          Re: Automation Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-15 06:25 +0000
            Re: Automation Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-11-15 16:53 +0000
              Re: Automation Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-15 20:12 +0000
                Re: Automation Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-15 20:45 +0000
                  Re: Automation Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 01:53 -0700
                    Re: Automation Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-20 16:12 +0000
                  Re: Automation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 20:26 +1100
                  Re: Automation Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 02:37 -0700
                  Re: Automation Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-19 09:44 +0000
                  Re: Automation Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-19 09:54 +0000
                  Re: Automation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 21:48 +1100
                    Re: Automation Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-20 16:14 +0000
                      Re: Automation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 03:19 +1100
                      Re: Automation Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk> - 2013-11-20 16:28 +0000
                      Re: Automation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 03:33 +1100
                      Re: Automation Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-11-20 16:59 +0000
                        Re: Automation Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-20 21:34 +0000
                    Re: Automation Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-20 17:58 -0500
                      Off-topic: Aussie place names [was Re: Automation] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-21 00:58 +0000
                        Re: Off-topic: Aussie place names [was Re: Automation] Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-20 22:22 -0500
                        Re: Off-topic: Aussie place names [was Re: Automation] Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 12:18 +1100
                  Re: Automation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 21:50 +1100
                  Re: Automation Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-19 13:50 +0000
                  Re: Automation Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk> - 2013-11-19 13:55 +0000
                  Re: Automation Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-19 14:07 +0000
                  Re: Automation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-20 01:08 +1100
                Re: Automation Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-11-19 11:53 +0000
                  Re: Automation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 22:58 +1100
                    Re: Automation Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-19 12:36 +0000
                      Re: Automation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-19 23:52 +1100
                        Re: Automation Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-19 13:00 +0000
                        Re: Automation Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-19 12:59 +0000
                        Re: Automation Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-19 12:59 +0000
                          Re: Automation MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-11-19 15:06 +0000
                          Re: Automation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-20 02:11 +1100
                          Re: Automation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 02:44 +1100
                        Re: Automation Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-19 13:00 +0000
                      Re: Automation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-21 01:52 +1100
        Re: Automation Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-15 06:44 +0000
          Re: Automation Paul Rudin <paul.nospam@rudin.co.uk> - 2013-11-15 07:30 +0000
            Re: Automation Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-15 15:02 +0000
              Re: Automation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 02:12 +1100
                Re: Automation Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-15 15:52 +0000
              Re: Automation Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2013-11-15 22:17 -0800
                Re: Automation William Ray Wing <wrw@mac.com> - 2013-11-16 09:18 -0500
                  Re: Automation Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-16 10:11 -0500
                    grammar (was Re: Automation) Paul Smith <paul@mad-scientist.net> - 2013-11-16 12:02 -0500
                    Re: grammar (was Re: Automation) Andrew Berg <robotsondrugs@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 21:44 -0600
                    Re: grammar (was Re: Automation) MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-11-17 04:07 +0000
                    Re: grammar (was Re: Automation) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 15:16 +1100
                    Re: grammar (was Re: Automation) Andrew Berg <robotsondrugs@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 22:34 -0600
                    Re: grammar (was Re: Automation) Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-17 12:48 -0500
                    Re: grammar (was Re: Automation) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-19 04:13 +0000
                Re: Automation Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-11-18 12:17 +0000
                  Re: Automation Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-19 19:23 +1300
                    Re: Automation Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-19 07:09 +0000
                Re: Automation Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-18 16:49 +0000
                  Re: Automation David Robinow <drobinow@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 22:54 -0500
          Re: Automation Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-15 14:23 +0000
          Re: Automation Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-15 18:54 -0500
        Re: Automation Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-15 14:58 +0000
          Re: Automation xDog Walker <thudfoo@gmail.com> - 2013-11-15 13:43 -0800
          Re: Automation Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-15 19:28 -0600
          Re: Automation Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-15 21:01 -0500
          Re: Automation Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-16 11:42 +0000

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#60104

On 2013-11-19, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyway, we Aussies know more about your geography than you know about
> ours, I reckon. Which of these is not a real place: Parramatta,
> Warrnambool, Cerinabbin, Mordialloc? No fair Googling them, see if you
> can call it.

Next thing you'll be telling us that the Eels are a real rugby team.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! If I had a Q-TIP, I
                                  at               could prevent th' collapse
                              gmail.com            of NEGOTIATIONS!!

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#60106

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 2013-11-19, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyway, we Aussies know more about your geography than you know about
>> ours, I reckon. Which of these is not a real place: Parramatta,
>> Warrnambool, Cerinabbin, Mordialloc? No fair Googling them, see if you
>> can call it.
>
> Next thing you'll be telling us that the Eels are a real rugby team.

Wouldn't have the foggiest. I don't follow sport, so I don't know
which teams are real and which are integer.

ChrisA

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#60107

On 20/11/2013 16:19, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2013-11-19, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway, we Aussies know more about your geography than you know about
>>> ours, I reckon. Which of these is not a real place: Parramatta,
>>> Warrnambool, Cerinabbin, Mordialloc? No fair Googling them, see if you
>>> can call it.
>>
>> Next thing you'll be telling us that the Eels are a real rugby team.
> 
> Wouldn't have the foggiest. I don't follow sport, so I don't know
> which teams are real and which are integer.

Which one was it, by the way? (Which was the fake place name?) Did I
miss an email in this gripping series?

TJG

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#60110

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:28 AM, Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk> wrote:
> On 20/11/2013 16:19, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2013-11-19, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyway, we Aussies know more about your geography than you know about
>>>> ours, I reckon. Which of these is not a real place: Parramatta,
>>>> Warrnambool, Cerinabbin, Mordialloc? No fair Googling them, see if you
>>>> can call it.
>>>
>>> Next thing you'll be telling us that the Eels are a real rugby team.
>>
>> Wouldn't have the foggiest. I don't follow sport, so I don't know
>> which teams are real and which are integer.
>
> Which one was it, by the way? (Which was the fake place name?) Did I
> miss an email in this gripping series?

I got a private email guessing (correctly), but nobody who actually
_knew_, and nobody who was able to deduce the answer based on the
structure of the words, which means I picked a sufficiently plausible
fake :) But the actual fake is Cerinabbin, utterly and completely made
up for the post. Parramatta is apparently known to a few people - it's
in Sydney; Warrnambool and Mordialloc are both places in Victoria.

ChrisA

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#60114

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:33:02 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:

> But the actual fake is Cerinabbin

You might have included Woolloomooloo in the list!

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#60137

On 2013-11-20, Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:33:02 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> But the actual fake is Cerinabbin
>
> You might have included Woolloomooloo in the list!

Anybody from the early days of TCP/IP networking on PC-DOS and Mac OS
would also recognize Wollongong even if they couldn't tell you where
it was.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! I had pancake makeup
                                  at               for brunch!
                              gmail.com            

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#60140

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:48:10 +1100, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
declaimed the following:

>Anyway, we Aussies know more about your geography than you know about
>ours, I reckon. Which of these is not a real place: Parramatta,
>Warrnambool, Cerinabbin, Mordialloc? No fair Googling them, see if you
>can call it. I've been to three of the above places, the other one
>came up in a fantasy name generator.
>

	Parramatta reads like a accented "parameter"

	Cerinabbin and Mordialloc sound like names from the Welsh influenced
Arthurian mythos: cf: Ceredwyn, Mordred (or a new word for a core dump
caused by memory faults: morte-alloc, death in allocation)
-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#60149 — Off-topic: Aussie place names [was Re: Automation]

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:58:27 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:48:10 +1100, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
> declaimed the following:
> 
>>Anyway, we Aussies know more about your geography than you know about
>>ours, I reckon. Which of these is not a real place: Parramatta,
>>Warrnambool, Cerinabbin, Mordialloc? No fair Googling them, see if you
>>can call it. I've been to three of the above places, the other one came
>>up in a fantasy name generator.
>>
>>
> Parramatta reads like a accented "parameter"
> 
> Cerinabbin and Mordialloc sound like names from the Welsh influenced
> Arthurian mythos: cf: Ceredwyn, Mordred (or a new word for a core dump
> caused by memory faults: morte-alloc, death in allocation)


Cerinabbin is the fake name, although there is a suburb Morrabbin in 
Melbourne (and Darebin as well, which is pronounced "Darra Bin" not "Dare 
Bin").

Many placenames in Australia are borrowed from the UK, or named after 
British Royalty or explorers. Melbourne itself was, for a short time, 
named "Batmania", after the explorer John Batman. Others are based on 
native Australian Aboriginal words or placenames, such as Wagga Wagga, 
Woolloomoloo (a real place with an imaginary university, notable for the 
famous Monty Python Philosopher's Sketch), Coolangatta, Kalgoorlie, Moe 
(pronounced "Mo-e", not "Mow"), Koo Wee Rup, Didjabringabeeralong, and 
our capital city, Canberra.

Actually, Didjabringabeeralong is a town in the land of Fourecks (or XXXX 
for those who can't spell), invented by Terry Pratchett for the novel 
"The Lost Continent". But the others are real.

For a serious look at Australian placenames named after Australian 
Aboriginal words, see wikipedia: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_place_names_of_Aboriginal_origin


-- 
Steven

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#60151 — Re: Off-topic: Aussie place names [was Re: Automation]

On 21 Nov 2013 00:58:48 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> declaimed the following:

>On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:58:27 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
>
>Cerinabbin is the fake name, although there is a suburb Morrabbin in 
>Melbourne (and Darebin as well, which is pronounced "Darra Bin" not "Dare 
>Bin").
>
	That's okay... The old Bard's Tale game started in "Skara Brae" --
which I always "spoke" as "Scarborough" <G>

-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#60152 — Re: Off-topic: Aussie place names [was Re: Automation]

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On 21 November 2013 11:58, Steven D'Aprano <
steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>
> For a serious look at Australian placenames named after Australian
> Aboriginal words, see wikipedia:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_place_names_of_Aboriginal_origin


Just noticed that my town was missing - added it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittagong,_New_South_Wales

Tim Delaney

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#59978

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 19/11/2013 09:26, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>>
>> It couldn't figure out "Absytrytewh", "picsbeliud", or
>> "hnasoa/tw.nartswdbvweos/utrtek:p./il". That's not a bad result. (And
>> as a human, I'm guessing that the second one isn't an English word -
>> maybe it's Scots?) Here's the code:
>>
>
> I sense another letter to your Minister for Education regarding the teaching
> of Geography.  Fancy not recognising a well known UK place name when it's
> put right in front of you.  And Scots indeed, my mum will be turning in her
> grave :)

Oh, I think I see where the misunderstanding may have been. I said
"It" couldn't figure those out, meaning the script; one of them isn't
a word at all, another one is a place name (and therefore not in its
dictionary), and one happened to be a form of the word that it didn't
have (as it had the equivalent with a 'z'), and I wasn't able to
figure it out myself either. But I grokked the university's name no
trouble. No other university has that many y's and so few other
vowels. :)

ChrisA

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#59991

On 19/11/2013 10:48, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> Anyway, we Aussies know more about your geography than you know about
> ours, I reckon. Which of these is not a real place: Parramatta,
> Warrnambool, Cerinabbin, Mordialloc? No fair Googling them, see if you
> can call it. I've been to three of the above places, the other one
> came up in a fantasy name generator.
>
> Okay, maybe that's not exactly fair, but I'd still be curious to know
> how many of you know Aussie place names :)
>

An interesting comparison as your country is slightly larger than ours, 
but I suspect we've actually many more place names.  Still with no 
search engine at all, I've heard of Parramatta so they must have one or 
more sports teams, so sticking a pin onto my screen I'll guess at 
Cerinabbin, close or must try harder?

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#59992

On 19/11/2013 13:50, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 19/11/2013 10:48, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> Anyway, we Aussies know more about your geography than you know about
>> ours, I reckon. Which of these is not a real place: Parramatta,
>> Warrnambool, Cerinabbin, Mordialloc? No fair Googling them, see if you
>> can call it. I've been to three of the above places, the other one
>> came up in a fantasy name generator.

I thought that's how they came up with Australian place names normally?

TJG

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#59995

On 19/11/2013 13:55, Tim Golden wrote:
> On 19/11/2013 13:50, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>> On 19/11/2013 10:48, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyway, we Aussies know more about your geography than you know about
>>> ours, I reckon. Which of these is not a real place: Parramatta,
>>> Warrnambool, Cerinabbin, Mordialloc? No fair Googling them, see if you
>>> can call it. I've been to three of the above places, the other one
>>> came up in a fantasy name generator.
>
> I thought that's how they came up with Australian place names normally?
>
> TJG
>

Thinking about it perhaps "fantasy name generator" is a modern day, 
politically correct term for an Aussie who's had too many beers?  That 
would put the question above firmly into context.

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#59996

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:55 AM, Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk> wrote:
> On 19/11/2013 13:50, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>> On 19/11/2013 10:48, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyway, we Aussies know more about your geography than you know about
>>> ours, I reckon. Which of these is not a real place: Parramatta,
>>> Warrnambool, Cerinabbin, Mordialloc? No fair Googling them, see if you
>>> can call it. I've been to three of the above places, the other one
>>> came up in a fantasy name generator.
>
> I thought that's how they came up with Australian place names normally?

Certainly not. The early white settlers had a very sophisticated
technique for naming places, and one that showed great respect for the
prior owners of the land: find the nearest person with darker skin
than yours, point to the surrounding area, and say "What's this place
called?". That's why most Australian place names translate to, in the
local language of the area, "Huh?" or "What do you mean?" or "I
haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about, old chap", or
occasionally "Place of the Elbow" or "Dung Heap" once they figured out
how easy these people were to troll.

No, the fantasy name generators are used in the US of A. And Canada
just picks someone else's place name and adds "-eh" to it.

ChrisA

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#59982

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:48:10 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:

> I guessed Scots for the second one because it
> didn't look Welsh and it seemed plausible to get a mostly-English
> paragraph with one Welsh name and one Scots word.

The word is *Scottish*. I think that's what Mark was driving at.

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#59983

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:48:10 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> I guessed Scots for the second one because it
>> didn't look Welsh and it seemed plausible to get a mostly-English
>> paragraph with one Welsh name and one Scots word.
>
> The word is *Scottish*. I think that's what Mark was driving at.

Oh. I've heard both, thought "Scots" was a valid term for the
language. My apologies. Scottish, then.

ChrisA

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#59984

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:58:35 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:48:10 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>>> I guessed Scots for the second one because it didn't look Welsh and it
>>> seemed plausible to get a mostly-English paragraph with one Welsh name
>>> and one Scots word.
>>
>> The word is *Scottish*. I think that's what Mark was driving at.
> 
> Oh. I've heard both, thought "Scots" was a valid term for the language.
> My apologies. Scottish, then.
> 
> ChrisA

the language & nationality is Scottish, the people are Scots & Scotch is 
a type of whisky.


-- 
You should never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for
freedom and liberty.
		-- Henrik Ibsen

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#59985

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> the language & nationality is Scottish, the people are Scots & Scotch is
> a type of whisky.

Hmm, I don't know that it's that clear-cut (other than the drink).
Derrick McClure is himself a Scot, and he posted this on Savoynet:

https://mailman.bridgewater.edu/pipermail/savoynet/2013-August/030264.html

Note his use of "Scots" to mean the language. Derrick, I'm cc'ing you
in on this: have I been led astray here by misreading your post?

ChrisA

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#59986

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:52:09 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
>> the language & nationality is Scottish, the people are Scots & Scotch
>> is a type of whisky.
> 
> Hmm, I don't know that it's that clear-cut (other than the drink).
> Derrick McClure is himself a Scot, and he posted this on Savoynet:
> 
> https://mailman.bridgewater.edu/pipermail/savoynet/2013-
August/030264.html
> 
> Note his use of "Scots" to mean the language. Derrick, I'm cc'ing you in
> on this: have I been led astray here by misreading your post?
> 
> ChrisA

To be pedantic the language most Scots speak is English (or at least an 
approximation there of)



-- 
Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.

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