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  Self-defence Zero Piraeus <z@etiol.net> - 2013-11-17 14:09 -0300
    Re: Self-defence Nikos <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-11-17 19:16 +0200
      Re: Self-defence Zero Piraeus <z@etiol.net> - 2013-11-17 14:37 -0300
        Re: Self-defence Nikos <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-11-18 00:18 +0200
    Re: Self-defence Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-17 09:17 -0800
      Re: Self-defence Nikos <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-11-17 19:33 +0200

#59763 — Self-defence

:

Note: I drafted a version of this post earlier today. I had been waiting
to see whether Nikos succeeded in baiting the list into yet another
round of unpleasantness before sending it, because I didn't want to
worsen the situation, but at this point things are completely out of
hand, and even what looks like a consensus attempt to ignore Nikos out
of existence is

a) failing: I count eighteen emails so far today.

b) going to lead casual visitors to assume either that we ignore
requests for help or that the list is Nikos' personal echo chamber.

At this point I consider Nikos' actions a conscious attack on the list.
There is simply no way, after the many times he's been told not to
repost, that this is anything other than a direct and deliberate attempt
to annoy as many people as he can.

That being the case, I'd like to know whether there are technical
measures that can be taken to prevent him from posting here.

I understand that the mail/news gateway might complicate that, and that
any measures taken could be bypassed by someone with sufficient skill. I
suspect that in this particular case the latter issue is less relevant
than it might otherwise be.

I don't believe that killfiles are a sufficient response in this
situation.

I can, of course, stop Nikos' posts reaching me, and without too much
hassle also stop replies to his posts reaching me. He would, however,
continue to pollute the list in public, and his posts, whether replied
to or not at the volume he's now sending them, would continue to damage
the reputation of the list and, ultimately, I think possibly kill it.

This is a last-ditch request, and not one I particularly expect to
succeed, but I honestly can't stand to watch this happen to python-list
for very much longer, and am very close to unsubscribing after six years
as an admittedly not very active member.

 -[]z.

-- 
Zero Piraeus: pollice verso
http://etiol.net/pubkey.asc

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#59764

Στις 17/11/2013 7:09 μμ, ο/η Zero Piraeus έγραψε:
> :
>
> Note: I drafted a version of this post earlier today. I had been waiting
> to see whether Nikos succeeded in baiting the list into yet another
> round of unpleasantness before sending it, because I didn't want to
> worsen the situation, but at this point things are completely out of
> hand, and even what looks like a consensus attempt to ignore Nikos out
> of existence is
>
> a) failing: I count eighteen emails so far today.
>
> b) going to lead casual visitors to assume either that we ignore
> requests for help or that the list is Nikos' personal echo chamber.
>
> At this point I consider Nikos' actions a conscious attack on the list.
> There is simply no way, after the many times he's been told not to
> repost, that this is anything other than a direct and deliberate attempt
> to annoy as many people as he can.
>
> That being the case, I'd like to know whether there are technical
> measures that can be taken to prevent him from posting here.
>
> I understand that the mail/news gateway might complicate that, and that
> any measures taken could be bypassed by someone with sufficient skill. I
> suspect that in this particular case the latter issue is less relevant
> than it might otherwise be.
>
> I don't believe that killfiles are a sufficient response in this
> situation.
>
> I can, of course, stop Nikos' posts reaching me, and without too much
> hassle also stop replies to his posts reaching me. He would, however,
> continue to pollute the list in public, and his posts, whether replied
> to or not at the volume he's now sending them, would continue to damage
> the reputation of the list and, ultimately, I think possibly kill it.
>
> This is a last-ditch request, and not one I particularly expect to
> succeed, but I honestly can't stand to watch this happen to python-list
> for very much longer, and am very close to unsubscribing after six years
> as an admittedly not very active member.
>
>   -[]z.
>

Is this your doing?

[18:03:55 secure root@4385109 /lib64]cPs# ls -al |grep libkey
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1 -> 
libkeyutils.so.1.3.0*

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10192 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 32920 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3.0*
[18:03:57 secure root@4385109 /lib64]cPs# rpm -qf libkeyutils.so.1.3.0
file /lib64/libkeyutils.so.1.3.0 is not owned by any package

It appears that my server has been compromised with a malicious payload 
designed to sniff for and steal server passwords.

I'am sure this is your doing Zero Piraeus.

-- 
What is now proved was at first only imagined!

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#59790

:

I'd really rather not, but since this is a public accusation of criminal
behaviour:

On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 07:16:34PM +0200, Nikos wrote:
> Is this your doing?
> 
> [18:03:55 secure root@4385109 /lib64]cPs# ls -al |grep libkey
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1 ->
> libkeyutils.so.1.3.0*
> 
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10192 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3*
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 32920 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3.0*
> [18:03:57 secure root@4385109 /lib64]cPs# rpm -qf libkeyutils.so.1.3.0
> file /lib64/libkeyutils.so.1.3.0 is not owned by any package
> 
> It appears that my server has been compromised with a malicious
> payload designed to sniff for and steal server passwords.
> 
> I'am sure this is your doing Zero Piraeus.

It is not my doing. Please desist from defaming me. I will not respond
here, or except through legal counsel should that prove necessary, to
further communications from you.

I will, however, point out that the last time you were embarrassed in
public over your inability to maintain the security of your business and
that of your clients, I attempted in private to assist you in resolving
your issue.

 -[]z.

-- 
Zero Piraeus: dictatum erat
http://etiol.net/pubkey.asc

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#59803

Στις 17/11/2013 7:37 μμ, ο/η Zero Piraeus έγραψε:
> :
>
> I'd really rather not, but since this is a public accusation of criminal
> behaviour:
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 07:16:34PM +0200, Nikos wrote:
>> Is this your doing?
>>
>> [18:03:55 secure root@4385109 /lib64]cPs# ls -al |grep libkey
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1 ->
>> libkeyutils.so.1.3.0*
>>
>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10192 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3*
>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 32920 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3.0*
>> [18:03:57 secure root@4385109 /lib64]cPs# rpm -qf libkeyutils.so.1.3.0
>> file /lib64/libkeyutils.so.1.3.0 is not owned by any package
>>
>> It appears that my server has been compromised with a malicious
>> payload designed to sniff for and steal server passwords.
>>
>> I'am sure this is your doing Zero Piraeus.
>
> It is not my doing. Please desist from defaming me. I will not respond
> here, or except through legal counsel should that prove necessary, to
> further communications from you.
>
> I will, however, point out that the last time you were embarrassed in
> public over your inability to maintain the security of your business and
> that of your clients, I attempted in private to assist you in resolving
> your issue.
>
>   -[]z.
>

You did, but chances are you also imported a good password sniffer whn 
you logged in as root.

You had also altered my .htaccess file.
What is now proved was at first only imagined!

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#59766

On Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:09:44 PM UTC-5, Zero Piraeus wrote:
> Note: I drafted a version of this post earlier today. I had been waiting
> to see whether Nikos succeeded in baiting the list into yet another
> round of unpleasantness before sending it, because I didn't want to
> worsen the situation, but at this point things are completely out of
> hand, and even what looks like a consensus attempt to ignore Nikos out
> of existence is
> 
> a) failing: I count eighteen emails so far today.
> 
> b) going to lead casual visitors to assume either that we ignore
> requests for help or that the list is Nikos' personal echo chamber.
> 
> At this point I consider Nikos' actions a conscious attack on the list.
> There is simply no way, after the many times he's been told not to
> repost, that this is anything other than a direct and deliberate attempt
> to annoy as many people as he can.
> 
> That being the case, I'd like to know whether there are technical
> measures that can be taken to prevent him from posting here.
> 
> I understand that the mail/news gateway might complicate that, and that
> any measures taken could be bypassed by someone with sufficient skill. I
> suspect that in this particular case the latter issue is less relevant
> than it might otherwise be.
> 
> I don't believe that killfiles are a sufficient response in this
> situation.
> 
> I can, of course, stop Nikos' posts reaching me, and without too much
> hassle also stop replies to his posts reaching me. He would, however,
> continue to pollute the list in public, and his posts, whether replied
> to or not at the volume he's now sending them, would continue to damage
> the reputation of the list and, ultimately, I think possibly kill it.
> 
> This is a last-ditch request, and not one I particularly expect to
> succeed, but I honestly can't stand to watch this happen to python-list
> for very much longer, and am very close to unsubscribing after six years
> as an admittedly not very active member.
> 
>  -[]z.

Nikos's behavior has been escalating, and is particularly bad today.  But I'd like to point out that everyone else's has been better than ever: the latest threads have been ignored.  We have not been descending into anger and vitriol.

I can't say what will happen in the future, but I would expect an exasperated help vampire to behave precisely this way as the counter-measures (ignoring) because more effective.

--Ned.

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#59773

Στις 17/11/2013 7:17 μμ, ο/η Ned Batchelder έγραψε:
> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:09:44 PM UTC-5, Zero Piraeus wrote:
>> Note: I drafted a version of this post earlier today. I had been waiting
>> to see whether Nikos succeeded in baiting the list into yet another
>> round of unpleasantness before sending it, because I didn't want to
>> worsen the situation, but at this point things are completely out of
>> hand, and even what looks like a consensus attempt to ignore Nikos out
>> of existence is
>>
>> a) failing: I count eighteen emails so far today.
>>
>> b) going to lead casual visitors to assume either that we ignore
>> requests for help or that the list is Nikos' personal echo chamber.
>>
>> At this point I consider Nikos' actions a conscious attack on the list.
>> There is simply no way, after the many times he's been told not to
>> repost, that this is anything other than a direct and deliberate attempt
>> to annoy as many people as he can.
>>
>> That being the case, I'd like to know whether there are technical
>> measures that can be taken to prevent him from posting here.
>>
>> I understand that the mail/news gateway might complicate that, and that
>> any measures taken could be bypassed by someone with sufficient skill. I
>> suspect that in this particular case the latter issue is less relevant
>> than it might otherwise be.
>>
>> I don't believe that killfiles are a sufficient response in this
>> situation.
>>
>> I can, of course, stop Nikos' posts reaching me, and without too much
>> hassle also stop replies to his posts reaching me. He would, however,
>> continue to pollute the list in public, and his posts, whether replied
>> to or not at the volume he's now sending them, would continue to damage
>> the reputation of the list and, ultimately, I think possibly kill it.
>>
>> This is a last-ditch request, and not one I particularly expect to
>> succeed, but I honestly can't stand to watch this happen to python-list
>> for very much longer, and am very close to unsubscribing after six years
>> as an admittedly not very active member.
>>
>>   -[]z.
>
> Nikos's behavior has been escalating, and is particularly bad today.  But I'd like to point out that everyone else's has been better than ever: the latest threads have been ignored.  We have not been descending into anger and vitriol.
>
> I can't say what will happen in the future, but I would expect an exasperated help vampire to behave precisely this way as the counter-measures (ignoring) because more effective.
>
> --Ned.
>
You said you would help but you didn't.

4 days i struggle with this.

All you do is preventing people from helping me.

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