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  Re: Self-defence Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk> - 2013-11-17 17:21 +0000
    Re: Self-defence Nikos <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-11-17 19:24 +0200

#59768 — Re: Self-defence

On 17/11/2013 17:09, Zero Piraeus wrote:
> Note: I drafted a version of this post earlier today. I had been waiting
> to see whether Nikos succeeded in baiting the list into yet another
> round of unpleasantness before sending it, because I didn't want to
> worsen the situation, but at this point things are completely out of
> hand, and even what looks like a consensus attempt to ignore Nikos out
> of existence is
>
> a) failing: I count eighteen emails so far today.
>
> b) going to lead casual visitors to assume either that we ignore
> requests for help or that the list is Nikos' personal echo chamber.
>
> At this point I consider Nikos' actions a conscious attack on the list.
> There is simply no way, after the many times he's been told not to
> repost, that this is anything other than a direct and deliberate attempt
> to annoy as many people as he can.
>
> That being the case, I'd like to know whether there are technical
> measures that can be taken to prevent him from posting here.

Thanks for bringing this up, Zero. Nikos appears to be posting through 
Usenet, apparently via eternal-september. I have emailed their abuse 
address to ask if any action can be taken. I have also asked the 
postmaster at python.org what our option are the mail-news gateway.

Obviously this isn't just about one poster: we need a means to (trying 
to think of a better word than "police") the mailing list while allowing 
for the usual give and take of off-topicness, temporary argumentation 
and general banter. I and others are trying to bring to a focus off-list 
discussions about who has the appropriate responsibility and right to 
act in these cases.

FWIW today's outpouring has been more comical than tragic with few 
people taking the bait :)

TJG

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#59770

Στις 17/11/2013 7:21 μμ, ο/η Tim Golden έγραψε:
> On 17/11/2013 17:09, Zero Piraeus wrote:
>> Note: I drafted a version of this post earlier today. I had been waiting
>> to see whether Nikos succeeded in baiting the list into yet another
>> round of unpleasantness before sending it, because I didn't want to
>> worsen the situation, but at this point things are completely out of
>> hand, and even what looks like a consensus attempt to ignore Nikos out
>> of existence is
>>
>> a) failing: I count eighteen emails so far today.
>>
>> b) going to lead casual visitors to assume either that we ignore
>> requests for help or that the list is Nikos' personal echo chamber.
>>
>> At this point I consider Nikos' actions a conscious attack on the list.
>> There is simply no way, after the many times he's been told not to
>> repost, that this is anything other than a direct and deliberate attempt
>> to annoy as many people as he can.
>>
>> That being the case, I'd like to know whether there are technical
>> measures that can be taken to prevent him from posting here.
>
> Thanks for bringing this up, Zero. Nikos appears to be posting through
> Usenet, apparently via eternal-september. I have emailed their abuse
> address to ask if any action can be taken. I have also asked the
> postmaster at python.org what our option are the mail-news gateway.
>
> Obviously this isn't just about one poster: we need a means to (trying
> to think of a better word than "police") the mailing list while allowing
> for the usual give and take of off-topicness, temporary argumentation
> and general banter. I and others are trying to bring to a focus off-list
> discussions about who has the appropriate responsibility and right to
> act in these cases.
>
> FWIW today's outpouring has been more comical than tragic with few
> people taking the bait :)
>
> TJG
>
>

How difficult will it be to just use another free NEWS server to post 
here or even under another mail address or another name or ALL of them 
simultaneously?
-- 
What is now proved was at first only imagined!

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