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  Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-03-02 04:07 +1100
    Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-03-02 01:43 +0000
      Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-03-02 14:54 +1100
      Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2013-03-02 01:09 -0500
      Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-03-02 17:54 +1100
      Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment James Griffin <jmz.griffin@kode5.net> - 2013-03-02 08:06 +0000
      Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2013-03-02 09:53 -0500
        Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-03-03 00:27 +0000
          Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-03-02 19:42 -0500
            Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-03-03 03:19 +0000
          Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment David Robinow <drobinow@gmail.com> - 2013-03-02 21:11 -0500
            Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-03-02 21:15 -0500
              Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment David Robinow <drobinow@gmail.com> - 2013-03-02 22:01 -0500
              Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-03-03 14:06 +1100
              Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment David Robinow <drobinow@gmail.com> - 2013-03-02 22:18 -0500
              Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-03-03 14:46 +1100
            Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-03-03 03:21 +0000
              Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2013-03-02 23:00 -0500
                Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-03-03 10:33 +0000
              Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-03-03 09:51 +0000
              Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment David Robinow <drobinow@gmail.com> - 2013-03-04 11:09 -0500
                Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-03-05 02:42 +0000
                  Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-03-05 13:54 +1100
                  Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2013-03-04 23:01 -0500
                  Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment James Griffin <jmz@kontrol.kode5.net> - 2013-03-05 08:16 +0000
                  Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-03-05 11:35 +0000
              Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment David Robinow <drobinow@gmail.com> - 2013-03-04 11:15 -0500
              Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-03-04 13:31 -0500
      Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk> - 2013-03-02 15:01 +0000
      Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-03-02 12:31 -0500
      good mail readers  [was Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment] Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-03-02 11:59 -0800

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#40460

Ignoring my own posting ban, since I've clearly been misunderstood ..
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 21:11:04 -0500, David Robinow wrote:
>
>>  Do you consider it rude that you choose to use a newsreader, thus
>> inconveniencing those of us who use the mailing list, as God intended.
>
> How the flying fuck does my choice of where and how *I* read this forum
> inconvenience YOU?
>
> Talk about an overactive sense of entitlement. The world does not revolve
> around you and I do not arrange my day to suit your preferences.

 This surprises me. Not the language but the content, since the
inconvenience was explicitly discussed.
  Many list members use gmail. It works for me. I never see double
posts. gmail knows not to do that. The lack of a "reply to list"
option would not concern me if everybody else used gmail. I could just
use "reply all", nobody would see double posts, and we're all happy.
 However, some people prefer to read comp.lang.python. Thus if I use
what is most convenient me, the news users see double posts. To avoid
being thought rude (please note that many people are, or 'were' in the
case of python-list, unaware of this issue and should be classified as
ignorant rather than rude) I need to, after clicking "Reply All"

 Move mouse to CC: area.
 Highlight  python-list address
 C-x   (i.e.,  CUT)
 Move mouse to TO: area.
 Highlight the address (of the poster to whom I am replying)
 C-v   (i.e., PASTE)

 Is that horribly difficult? No, and I intend to do it in the future.
I'm mostly a lurker anyway (I knew python better 10 years ago when I
was still working - inactivity and advanced age have made me dumber. I
mostly read python-list for recreation) so it's not a big deal. I
might be annoyed if I posted more.
  But here's what I don't understand. Why does somebody who posts as
much as Steven (and thanks for that. Getting cussed at occasionally is
a cheap price for all the free advice) not set up a simple mail filter
which trashes all mail from python-list. Wouldn't that solve the
problem?  Or am I misunderstanding something?

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#40494

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 11:09:10 -0500, David Robinow wrote:

>   But here's what I don't understand. Why does somebody who posts as
> much as Steven (and thanks for that. Getting cussed at occasionally is a
> cheap price for all the free advice) not set up a simple mail filter
> which trashes all mail from python-list. Wouldn't that solve the
> problem?  Or am I misunderstanding something?

When I'm working in my backyard garden, it's a real drag to put garden 
refuse into the green waste bin for collection. I have to cut it up into 
manageable-sized pieces, put them in a big carry bag, carry it through 
the house, then empty the bag into the green waste collection bin the 
local council supplies. What a drag! Maybe I should have thought of this 
before moving into my house, but I'm stuck with it now, moving to a new 
house would be difficult and expensive. Besides, apart from this one 
little difficulty, I like it here. Since I have all sorts of good excuses 
why doing the right thing is too much trouble, I just toss any plant 
trimmings over the fence into my neighbour's yard. It's easy for him to 
deal with it, all he has to do is get a goat to eat the garden waste I 
toss over the fence, and his problem is solved.

I'm actually doing him a favour by tossing my garden trimmings into his 
yard. If he doesn't get a goat, the trimmings will rot and turn into 
compost, which improves the soil in his garden. He'll thank me some day.

I really don't understand why he thinks I'm being rude. He should be 
grateful, not upset. If anyone is being rude, it's him, expecting me to 
carry all that garden waste through the house into the collection bin. 
Doesn't he understand how hard that is for me?




-- 
Steven

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#40495

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> It's easy for him to
> deal with it, all he has to do is get a goat to eat the garden waste I
> toss over the fence, and his problem is solved.

Sounds like someone got Steven's goat.

*dives for cover*

ChrisA

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#40500

On Monday 04 March 2013 23:00:31 Chris Angelico did opine:

> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> 
> <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> > It's easy for him to
> > deal with it, all he has to do is get a goat to eat the garden waste I
> > toss over the fence, and his problem is solved.
> 
> Sounds like someone got Steven's goat.
> 
> *dives for cover*
> 
> ChrisA

Thats why this list is worth staying on. :)  FWIW, I'd pulled the cover 
down tight and hide for a while.

Cheers, Gene
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
My web page: <http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene> is up!
My views 
<http://www.armchairpatriot.com/What%20Has%20America%20Become.shtml>
"You stay here, Audrey -- this is between me and the vegetable!"
		-- Seymour, from _Little Shop Of Horrors_
I was taught to respect my elders, but its getting 
harder and harder to find any...

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#40507

[--------- Tue  5.Mar'13 at  2:42:07 +0000  Steven D'Aprano :---------]

> On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 11:09:10 -0500, David Robinow wrote:
> 
> >   But here's what I don't understand. Why does somebody who posts as
> > much as Steven (and thanks for that. Getting cussed at occasionally is a
> > cheap price for all the free advice) not set up a simple mail filter
> > which trashes all mail from python-list. Wouldn't that solve the
> > problem?  Or am I misunderstanding something?
> 
> When I'm working in my backyard garden, it's a real drag to put garden 
> refuse into the green waste bin for collection. I have to cut it up into 
> manageable-sized pieces, put them in a big carry bag, carry it through 
> the house, then empty the bag into the green waste collection bin the 
> local council supplies. What a drag! Maybe I should have thought of this 
> before moving into my house, but I'm stuck with it now, moving to a new 
> house would be difficult and expensive. Besides, apart from this one 
> little difficulty, I like it here. Since I have all sorts of good excuses 
> why doing the right thing is too much trouble, I just toss any plant 
> trimmings over the fence into my neighbour's yard. It's easy for him to 
> deal with it, all he has to do is get a goat to eat the garden waste I 
> toss over the fence, and his problem is solved.
> 
> I'm actually doing him a favour by tossing my garden trimmings into his 
> yard. If he doesn't get a goat, the trimmings will rot and turn into 
> compost, which improves the soil in his garden. He'll thank me some day.
> 
> I really don't understand why he thinks I'm being rude. He should be 
> grateful, not upset. If anyone is being rude, it's him, expecting me to 
> carry all that garden waste through the house into the collection bin. 
> Doesn't he understand how hard that is for me?

I'm sorry - i just had to reply :-) i've just got up and read this and
it actually made me LOL. Thanks Steven.

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#40520

On 05/03/2013 02:54, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>> It's easy for him to
>> deal with it, all he has to do is get a goat to eat the garden waste I
>> toss over the fence, and his problem is solved.
>
> Sounds like someone got Steven's goat.
>
> *dives for cover*
>
> ChrisA
>

It's unlikely to happen but the UK should bring back the death penalty 
when it gets that bad :)

-- 
Cheers.

Mark Lawrence

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#40461

Crap. I just forgot to do what I just said I would do and didn't go
through my "inconvenient" sequence.
Sorry, Steven. It was unintentional.

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#40471

On 03/04/2013 11:15 AM, David Robinow wrote:
> Crap. I just forgot to do what I just said I would do and didn't go
> through my "inconvenient" sequence.
> Sorry, Steven. It was unintentional.
>

FWIW, you don't have to bother moving the python-list address to a To: 
field.  Just remove the personal address that's there.  See I saved you 
a few keystrokes.


To:  <blank>
CC:  python-list

should work fine.

-- 
DaveA

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#40336

On 02/03/2013 14:53, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, but reply-all sends a copy to the poster as well as the list.
>> What I want is reply-list, acknowledging the list headers... and Gmail
>> simply doesn't have that.
>
> I've been replying to the poster and the list for ages. Is it bad netiquette?

Mixed, I'd say. Some do it, some even prefer it, some don't. I generally 
stick to the list only unless it's important that the OP sees the 
message sooner than later.

TJG

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#40342

On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 15:01:47 +0000, Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk>
declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general:

> 
> Mixed, I'd say. Some do it, some even prefer it, some don't. I generally 
> stick to the list only unless it's important that the OP sees the 
> message sooner than later.
>
	On the receiving side -- I tend to find email copies of replies an
annoyance unless the sender has explained why they went to email. After
all, I'm going to see the response in the list anyway, where it is in
context (and I can see if anyone else has followed up to it).

-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
        wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#40364 — good mail readers [was Re: [Python-ideas] string.format() default variable assignment]

On 03/02/2013 12:06 AM, James Griffin wrote:
> [--------- Sat  2.Mar'13 at 17:54:57 +1100  Chris Angelico :---------]
>> I also want to be able to change my mind as to whether it's
>> reply-all/reply-list/reply-sender after typing up a reply. Guess it's
>> time I grabbed Tbird to find out if it can do that...
>
> use mutt devel or [Al]pine. Text based MUA's and News readers are more efficient IMO.

I'll take a look at those three.  While I certainly prefer Tbird over anything MS has to offer, it certainly has its own 
list of irritations.

--
~Ethan~

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