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| Started by | Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2013-05-31 22:30 -0700 |
| Last post | 2013-06-04 14:58 +0300 |
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Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-05-31 22:30 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-01 15:38 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-01 00:49 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-01 17:56 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-01 01:31 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> - 2013-06-01 11:03 +0200
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-01 02:19 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Paul Kölle <paul@subsignal.org> - 2013-06-02 13:51 +0200
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2013-06-03 18:20 +0300
RE: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Carlos Nepomuceno <carlosnepomuceno@outlook.com> - 2013-06-04 01:13 +0300
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 17:23 -0600
RE: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Carlos Nepomuceno <carlosnepomuceno@outlook.com> - 2013-06-04 02:33 +0300
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 22:45 -0600
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 17:51 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 03:12 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 03:17 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Benjamin Schollnick <benjamin@schollnick.net> - 2013-06-04 06:21 -0400
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 03:56 -0700
RE: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Carlos Nepomuceno <carlosnepomuceno@outlook.com> - 2013-06-04 14:04 +0300
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 04:09 -0700
RE: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Carlos Nepomuceno <carlosnepomuceno@outlook.com> - 2013-06-04 14:27 +0300
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 04:36 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 04:38 -0700
RE: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Carlos Nepomuceno <carlosnepomuceno@outlook.com> - 2013-06-04 14:42 +0300
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 04:48 -0700
RE: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Carlos Nepomuceno <carlosnepomuceno@outlook.com> - 2013-06-04 15:11 +0300
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 05:54 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-06-04 20:41 -0400
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 05:57 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 23:10 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 06:17 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 00:33 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 07:40 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-04 15:49 +0100
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 17:06 +0200
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 01:11 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 11:29 -0400
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 10:02 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 03:09 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 10:12 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 08:12 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 20:55 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 21:34 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 21:40 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 21:59 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 22:11 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 22:23 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 22:58 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 17:01 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 21:35 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 18:09 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 01:26 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 18:41 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 01:53 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 01:58 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 19:05 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 02:14 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 19:27 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 02:32 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 19:41 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 02:46 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 02:49 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 03:32 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-05 14:23 +0100
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-06 03:57 +0000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 21:08 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-06-05 11:04 +0200
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 02:19 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 19:31 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 02:37 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 19:48 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 02:52 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 20:12 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 03:30 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-06-05 12:37 +0200
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-06-05 12:39 +0200
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 04:07 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 04:11 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-06-05 13:14 +0200
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 04:19 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-06-05 13:37 +0200
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 02:33 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 10:02 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 03:16 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 10:29 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 03:47 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 11:08 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 04:16 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 11:22 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 11:34 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 04:46 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 11:53 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Zero Piraeus <schesis@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 14:52 -0400
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 11:58 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 05:13 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 12:18 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 11:55 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 12:03 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 05:03 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 15:29 -0400
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 04:37 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-06-05 19:19 -0400
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-06-05 17:57 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-06-05 21:02 -0500
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-06-06 11:03 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 02:24 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 12:35 -0400
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 10:07 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-05 14:25 +0100
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 19:19 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-06-05 11:29 +0200
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 02:33 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-06-05 11:55 +0200
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 03:21 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-06-05 12:33 +0200
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 01:59 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 02:06 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-05 14:16 +0100
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 07:35 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 17:46 +0300
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 07:56 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 02:37 +1000
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 10:05 -0700
Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 03:19 +1000
RE: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Carlos Nepomuceno <carlosnepomuceno@outlook.com> - 2013-06-04 16:13 +0300
RE: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script Carlos Nepomuceno <carlosnepomuceno@outlook.com> - 2013-06-04 14:58 +0300
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-06 04:37 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2755.1370457453.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #47127 |
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:22 AM, Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote: > Τη Τετάρτη, 5 Ιουνίου 2013 9:16:56 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico έγραψε: > >>Do you contact strangers to ask them to feed your cat? Or do you talk to a >trusted friend? > > Well i dont consider you a perfect stranger, because we kind of know each other since we speak here sometime. > > You know how much i was striving for help resolving this, and i was happy this morning thinking that Chris will fianlly put me out of this encoding misery.... See, that's the thing. All you know about me is that I happen to answer a lot of questions here. Now, if you ask around on this list, you'll probably learn a lot about me, but the most important thing right now is that I told you up-front that I was not intending to help, yet you still gave me the root password. You get so stuck on your own problems that you are unable to see anyone else's. In fact, you are very much in the position of Alice Liddell at the time of American McGee's game, "Alice: Madness Returns". (It's a decent game, but don't buy anything from EA Games.) The problem isn't so much what you're doing, as what you're not doing. Slow down, take a step back. Give yourself some breathing space. If you had a test computer to play around on before deploying things to your live server, you would not be panicked by little problems; and you could take a bit of time to (a) polish your posts before hitting Send, and (b) read the responses more thoroughly. Between those two, you could avoid a lot of trouble fairly easily. ChrisA
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| From | Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 19:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2770.1370474366.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #47118 |
On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:29:44 -0700 (PDT), Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò
<nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:
>
> In the US there is a law called the DMCA which I think would make what
> you did illegal, even though i have you a password, because i
> clearly gave you access to help me fix a problem, not to do what you
> did. Of course US law doesn't help in this case since you i live in Greece and you live in Australia...
>
I doubt it... DMCA mainly concerns itself with the breaking of
copyright restrictions applied to media -- for example, e-books that are
keyed to single user's account. The "CA" part is "copyright act"
(without googling, I think the "DM" is "digital millenium"); the key is
"copyright". No copyrights were violated in this teaching...
But what you did was the equivalent of handing out the key to
strangers (on the Barnes&Noble Nook, the "key" is the combination of an
email address and a credit card number -- if you are willing to hand
your email and CC# to a perfect stranger they can legitimately open the
e-book file you gave them).
In short, you "said": I give you total control over my server; do
anything you want with it though I'd like for you to clean up my mess.
--
Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/
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| From | rurpy@yahoo.com |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 17:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5e0cbea0-52dc-498c-9ceb-05dd020eee26@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47159 |
On 06/05/2013 05:19 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:29:44 -0700 (PDT), Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò > <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> declaimed the following in > gmane.comp.python.general: >> >> In the US there is a law called the DMCA which I think would make what >> you did illegal, even though i have you a password, because i >> clearly gave you access to help me fix a problem, not to do what you >> did. Of course US law doesn't help in this case since you i live in Greece and you live in Australia... >> > I doubt it... DMCA mainly concerns itself with the breaking of > copyright restrictions applied to media -- for example, e-books that are > keyed to single user's account. The "CA" part is "copyright act" > (without googling, I think the "DM" is "digital millenium"); the key is > "copyright". No copyrights were violated in this teaching... From vague memory (and without enough interest in the subject to research it), I recall hearing several news stories over the years where people where convicted (or at least charged with) violating the DMCA (or perhaps equally draconian followup U.S. laws) even though they clearly penetrated the system to point out security flaws. > But what you did was the equivalent of handing out the key to > strangers (on the Barnes&Noble Nook, the "key" is the combination of an > email address and a credit card number -- if you are willing to hand > your email and CC# to a perfect stranger they can legitimately open the > e-book file you gave them). > > In short, you "said": I give you total control over my server; do > anything you want with it though I'd like for you to clean up my mess. No he didn't -- as I read his posts he was clearly offering access for the purpose of having someone help him fix his problems. That I give you my car keys (even if you're a stranger) does not mean I am giving you permission to do whatever you want with my car. Nor does the fact that I think you shouldn't pick up hitchikers permit me to teach you a lesson by getting picked up by you and then robbing you. But a bunch of legally ignorant programmers (including myself) speculating about the subject here is about as informative as a group of 6-graders thoughts on Einstein's theory of relativity.
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| From | Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 21:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2782.1370484033.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #47165 |
On 2013-06-05 17:57, rurpy@yahoo.com wrote: > On 06/05/2013 05:19 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > stories over the years where people where convicted (or > at least charged with) violating the DMCA (or perhaps > equally draconian followup U.S. laws) even though they > clearly penetrated the system to point out security flaws. I suspect you read "CFAA" (Computer Fraud & Abuse Act) and thought "DMCA" (Digital Millennium Copyright Act), as there have been a number of prosecutions under the CFAA (including the whole Aaron Swartz ordeal) for nebulous "exceeding authorization". -tkc
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| From | rurpy@yahoo.com |
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| Date | 2013-06-06 11:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <441ee22b-878b-44e9-945b-9dc7f2fa0c8e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47177 |
On 06/05/2013 08:02 PM, Tim Chase wrote: > On 2013-06-05 17:57, rurpy@yahoo.com wrote: >> stories over the years where people where convicted (or >> at least charged with) violating the DMCA (or perhaps >> equally draconian followup U.S. laws) even though they >> clearly penetrated the system to point out security flaws. > > I suspect you read "CFAA" (Computer Fraud & Abuse Act) and thought > "DMCA" (Digital Millennium Copyright Act), as there have been a > number of prosecutions under the CFAA (including the whole Aaron > Swartz ordeal) for nebulous "exceeding authorization"/ Yes, thanks for correcting that.
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-06 02:24 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2741.1370449466.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #47067 |
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote: > I will understand by his attitude in general if he is likely to help me or not. How much of my attitude did you read before you decided I would trust you? Posts like this: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-June/648428.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-June/648496.html and especially this: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-June/648459.html state fairly clearly what I'm intending. I was NOT planning to solve your problem. I was planning all along to do exactly what I did: search for some proof that I had full access, email it to the persons concerned, then leave without doing any actual damage. So if you were *that wrong* about me, what makes you think you can judge someone else safely? ChrisA
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| From | Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 12:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2744.1370450157.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #47067 |
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On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I will understand by his attitude in general if he is likely to help me > or not. > > How much of my attitude did you read before you decided I would trust > you? Posts like this: > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-June/648428.html > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-June/648496.html > > and especially this: > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-June/648459.html > > state fairly clearly what I'm intending. I was NOT planning to solve > your problem. I was planning all along to do exactly what I did: > search for some proof that I had full access, email it to the persons > concerned, then leave without doing any actual damage. > > So if you were *that wrong* about me, what makes you think you can > judge someone else safely? > > ChrisA > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > To solve the OPs problems once and for all, I believe we need to know his social security number and his mother's maiden name. (Yes, i know SSN is for US but... ) -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com
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| From | Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 10:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <918c0187-f4a1-4b06-8526-5c33843aa571@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47108 |
Τη Τετάρτη, 5 Ιουνίου 2013 7:35:48 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Joel Goldstick έγραψε: >To solve the OPs problems once and for all, I believe we need to know his >social security number and his mother's maiden name. (Yes, i know SSN is for US >but... ) Even if i gibe you that info, what can you possibly expect to happen? Gain access to my Gmail account because you stuck in its security question?
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 14:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2730.1370438707.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #47044 |
On 05/06/2013 10:31, Chris Angelico wrote: > > You most definitely *are* a fool. > > ChrisA > I believe the above is just plain wrong. A fool and his money are easily parted, but this guy won't part with his cash. -- "Steve is going for the pink ball - and for those of you who are watching in black and white, the pink is next to the green." Snooker commentator 'Whispering' Ted Lowe. Mark Lawrence
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 19:19 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2711.1370423971.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #47036 |
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> wrote: > Seeing how riled up you get about this, what Chris did is for the better. At > least it seems that you won't be able to change your root password back, > either, and as such you won't have root access anymore to your system for > the time being, which makes your system and the internets a safer place for > now. Not quite accurate; he can change his root password back as soon as he logs in as the non-root user and cats one little file. Actually, I just tested, and the password I set is no longer valid, so I'm guessing he's already done so... either that, or a third party who was previously given access has now changed the password to something else. ChrisA
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| From | Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 11:29 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2713.1370424555.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #47036 |
Am 05.06.2013 11:19, schrieb Chris Angelico: > Not quite accurate; he can change his root password back as soon as he > logs in as the non-root user and cats one little file. I understood that - I rather got the impression that he (as a person) wasn't technically capable of changing it. Alas, the internets didn't remain a better place for long. :-) -- --- Heiko.
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| From | Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 02:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a4c59c06-a691-442d-99b7-ee2ba333d941@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47047 |
Τη Τετάρτη, 5 Ιουνίου 2013 12:29:10 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Heiko Wundram έγραψε: > Am 05.06.2013 11:19, schrieb Chris Angelico: > > > Not quite accurate; he can change his root password back as soon as he > > > logs in as the non-root user and cats one little file. > > > > I understood that - I rather got the impression that he (as a person) > > wasn't technically capable of changing it. Alas, the internets didn't > > remain a better place for long. :-) It will remain, if you go away.
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| From | Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 11:55 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2717.1370426154.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #47050 |
Am 05.06.2013 11:33, schrieb Νικόλαος Κούρας: > It will remain, if you go away. Look, pal, I work as a programmer for a (medium size) network service provider, and due to that I (should) know my networking security 101. It's generally people like you who are: 1) extremely careless about their system 2) intolerably naive and persistently refusing to learn and who as a consequence hand out root logins for hosts with big (!) pipes to people that should - under no circumstances ever, EVER - be trusted, who are in turn causing the scourge of the public internets that's called a botnet. It doesn't matter whether you're simply so stupid (yes, I said it!) as to hand out actual root logins or whether you refuse to update your system or whether you use weak passwords: in all cases, your system is compromised, and due to the rather big pipe that your system has it in turn compromises the integrity of the whole network that the system is connected to. Chris is completely right: you shouldn't thank him for not doing 'rm -rf /' on your system (that's utter peanuts, and only hits you), you should rather thank him for not copying your complete client data (and in turn their client's data, let's talk about identity theft) and/or for not installing a bot on your system which would in turn cause me to have headaches when the bot's misused to DDoS or for any other form of network-based attack on the network that I need to administer. It's you who's the untrustworthy, completely unreliable and utterly irresponsible member of the community of networks that's called the Internet. Please go somewhere else. -- --- Heiko.
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| From | Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 03:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bf4cd723-c87d-4d00-a40d-3c994e32de2a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47058 |
Τη Τετάρτη, 5 Ιουνίου 2013 12:55:49 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Heiko Wundram έγραψε: > Am 05.06.2013 11:33, schrieb οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½ οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½: > It's you who's the untrustworthy, completely unreliable and utterly > irresponsible member of the community of networks that's called the > Internet. I dont care what you do for a living, you never helped me a bit in anything, you just presented to me your self 1 hour ago to join the party. > Please go somewhere else. Please sod off from my thread. Thank you.
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| From | Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 12:33 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2719.1370428433.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #47060 |
Am 05.06.2013 12:21, schrieb Νικόλαος Κούρας: > I dont care what you do for a living, you never helped me a bit in anything, you just presented to me your self 1 hour ago to join the party. Guess why I did so: you're presently touching a subject (network safety) that I hold dear, and not only being a troll. -- --- Heiko.
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| From | alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 01:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d743564a-eadb-4664-ab56-3457cc157a5b@qn4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47035 |
On Jun 5, 6:41 pm, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote: > This matter is far more serious than you seem to be giving it > consideration for. You complain that I violated your trust; you > violated the trust of people who are paying you money. I think the term I'm looking for here is: EPIC WIN :D
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| From | Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 02:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <979d5b16-a84b-486c-a6db-86c0c755c8f5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47039 |
Τη Τετάρτη, 5 Ιουνίου 2013 11:59:28 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης alex23 έγραψε: > On Jun 5, 6:41 pm, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > This matter is far more serious than you seem to be giving it > > > consideration for. You complain that I violated your trust; you > > > violated the trust of people who are paying you money. > > > > I think the term I'm looking for here is: EPIC WIN :D I didnt violate anything. Chris violated my treust. There would have been no violation if he just look into en encoding issue and not meddled with my customers mail and data. Alex23, you are the *WORST* character i ever encountered in this list and forums in gernal. Idiot and ignorant too not knowing that ~/www is a symlink to ~/public_html and pretending to help. Fuck you too and sod off.
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 14:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2728.1370438201.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #47041 |
On 05/06/2013 10:06, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote: > Fuck you too and sod off. > You've got a bloody nerve. You're charging people when you haven't the faintest idea what you're doing, won't pay for technical support, and then have the audacity to complain when people do try to help. As I've said before, it's hardly surprising that the Greek economy is in such a mess if you're an example of what the workforce has to offer. I was going to say professionally, except that word is clearly not applicable here. -- "Steve is going for the pink ball - and for those of you who are watching in black and white, the pink is next to the green." Snooker commentator 'Whispering' Ted Lowe. Mark Lawrence
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| From | Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 07:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d3c42fdd-82f3-4ee2-b2af-fa8123af9ec9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #47074 |
Τη Τετάρτη, 5 Ιουνίου 2013 4:16:46 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Mark Lawrence έγραψε: > On 05/06/2013 10:06, οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½ οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½ wrote: > > > > > Fuck you too and sod off. > > > > > > > You've got a bloody nerve. You're charging people when you haven't the > > faintest idea what you're doing, won't pay for technical support, and > > then have the audacity to complain when people do try to help. As I've > > said before, it's hardly surprising that the Greek economy is in such a > > mess if you're an example of what the workforce has to offer. I was > > going to say professionally, except that word is clearly not applicable > > here. When you invented meat, Greeks were already suffering from cholesterol.
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| From | Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-06-05 17:46 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2732.1370443630.3114.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #47002 |
05.06.13 11:09, Chris Angelico написав(ла): > Oh, and I changed the root password, since the current one was sent in > clear text across the internet. Nikos, the new password has been > stored in /home/nikos/new_password - you should be able to access that > using your non-root login. I recommend you change it immediately. What are permission modes of /home/nikos and /home/nikos/new_password?
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