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Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain)

Started byΝικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
First post2013-06-01 08:44 -0700
Last post2013-06-02 11:22 +0100
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  Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-01 08:44 -0700
    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-01 23:02 -0700
    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Giorgos Tzampanakis <giorgos.tzampanakis@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 07:01 +0000
      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-02 08:22 +0100
      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 18:11 +1000
      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 07:35 -0700
        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Giorgos Tzampanakis <giorgos.tzampanakis@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 14:36 +0000
          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-02 15:51 +0100
            Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 08:04 -0700
              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 01:15 +1000
                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 08:23 -0700
                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-06-02 15:47 -0400
              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-02 16:24 +0100
                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 08:36 -0700
                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-02 16:55 +0100
                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 09:21 -0700
                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 02:31 +1000
                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 09:44 -0700
                          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 03:05 +1000
                            Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 10:12 -0700
                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 11:21 -0600
                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 03:21 +1000
                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 11:34 -0700
                                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 23:40 -0600
                          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 09:10 +1000
                          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 09:13 +1000
                          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 15:02 +1000
                            Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 22:05 -0700
                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 22:22 -0700
                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 22:31 -0700
                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 23:45 -0600
                                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 23:11 -0700
                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-03 10:00 +0100
                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 19:05 +1000
                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 02:32 -0700
                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-03 23:04 +0000
                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-03 06:46 +0000
                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 17:36 +1000
                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 02:12 -0700
                                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 05:54 -0700
                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) nagia.retsina@gmail.com - 2013-06-03 06:48 -0700
                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-03 22:37 +0000
                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 21:35 -0700
                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-04 05:48 +0000
                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 23:43 -0700
                                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-03 22:46 +0000
                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) nagia.retsina@gmail.com - 2013-06-03 23:28 -0700
                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 17:35 +1000
                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 01:05 -0700
                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2013-06-04 08:39 +0100
                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 00:58 -0700
                                          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2013-06-04 14:01 +0100
                                            Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 06:37 -0700
                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 06:49 -0700
                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 06:57 -0700
                                                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-04 15:09 +0100
                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 07:18 -0700
                                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 07:24 -0700
                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 09:07 -0600
                                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 09:57 -0700
                                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 10:23 -0700
                                                          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 19:53 +0200
                                                            Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 11:27 -0700
                                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 20:45 +0200
                                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 11:51 -0700
                                                                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 12:32 -0700
                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 13:03 -0700
                                                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 07:47 +1000
                                                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 20:44 -0700
                                                                          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 21:05 -0700
                                                                            Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 21:15 -0700
                                                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 23:40 -0600
                                                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 23:05 -0700
                                                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-05 06:03 +0000
                                                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 23:40 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 04:08 -0700
                                                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-06-05 17:44 +0100
                                                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 10:34 -0700
                                                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-06-06 10:50 +0200
                                                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 03:35 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-06-06 12:44 +0200
                                                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 04:00 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-06-06 13:09 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 04:24 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-06-06 13:31 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 04:31 -0700
                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 21:26 +0100
                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 18:28 -0700
                                                                      RE: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Carlos Nepomuceno <carlosnepomuceno@outlook.com> - 2013-06-05 06:04 +0300
                                                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 20:28 -0700
                                                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 13:32 +1000
                                                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 21:47 -0700
                                                                          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 22:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-05 05:56 +0000
                                                            Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 10:43 -0700
                                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-06-05 19:32 +0100
                                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 11:43 -0700
                                                                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 20:43 -0700
                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 21:42 -0700
                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-06-06 12:35 +0100
                                                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 05:04 -0700
                                                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-06-06 13:50 +0100
                                                                          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 11:13 -0700
                                                                            Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2013-06-06 21:03 +0200
                                                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 12:17 -0700
                                                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2013-06-06 22:25 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 13:39 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 13:56 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 13:59 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2013-06-06 23:15 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-07 01:29 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2013-06-06 23:07 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-06-06 22:57 +0100
                                                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-07 01:25 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) nagia.retsina@gmail.com - 2013-06-06 23:35 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-07 16:46 +1000
                                                                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-07 00:08 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-07 17:24 +1000
                                                                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Roel Schroeven <roel@roelschroeven.net> - 2013-06-08 11:19 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2013-06-07 09:09 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-07 00:32 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Michael Weylandt <michael.weylandt@gmail.com> - 2013-06-07 08:42 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-07 11:10 +0300
                                                                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) "R. Michael Weylandt" <michael.weylandt@gmail.com> - 2013-06-07 09:52 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-08 07:57 +0000
                                                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 20:13 -0700
                                                                            Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-06-06 20:42 +0100
                                                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 13:05 -0700
                                                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 13:21 -0700
                                                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2013-06-07 09:08 +1000
                                                                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2013-06-06 20:24 +1000
                                                                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 04:16 -0700
                                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) jmfauth <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 22:54 -0700
                                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 16:11 +1000
                                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-05 23:38 -0700
                                                                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-06 09:53 +0100
                                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2013-06-04 20:18 +0200
                                                          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 11:33 -0700
                                                            Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2013-06-04 21:31 +0200
                                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 20:40 -0700
                                      Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-04 08:47 +0000
                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-04 02:00 -0700
                                          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-06 12:44 +0000
                                            Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-06 11:46 -0700
                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2013-06-07 11:01 +1000
                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-07 02:13 +0000
                                              Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-07 09:56 +0300
                                        Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-05 06:06 +0000
              RE: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Carlos Nepomuceno <carlosnepomuceno@outlook.com> - 2013-06-02 22:44 +0300
                Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) nagia.retsina@gmail.com - 2013-06-02 12:51 -0700
                  Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-03 06:46 +1000
                    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 21:59 -0700
          Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 08:02 -0700
    Re: Changing filenames from Greeklish => Greek (subprocess complain) Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2013-06-02 11:22 +0100

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#46712

FromMichael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-02 11:21 -0600
Message-ID<mailman.2552.1370193714.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#46710
On 06/02/2013 11:12 AM, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote:
> Τη Κυριακή, 2 Ιουνίου 2013 8:05:32 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico έγραψε:
> 
>> A programmer chooses his own clients, and you are the Atherton Wing to 
>> my Inara Serra.
> 
> You might want to explain this mystique call-name you inprovised for me?

Maybe you could research it a bit.

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#46713

FromChris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-03 03:21 +1000
Message-ID<mailman.2553.1370193716.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#46710
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
> Τη Κυριακή, 2 Ιουνίου 2013 8:05:32 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico έγραψε:
>
>> A programmer chooses his own clients, and you are the Atherton Wing to
>> my Inara Serra.
>
> You might want to explain this mystique call-name you inprovised for me.

Or you could do a quick web search, like we keep telling you to do for
other things. I'm pretty sure Google is familiar with both those
names, and will point you to a mighty fine shindig.

ChrisA

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#46721

FromΝικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-02 11:34 -0700
Message-ID<970abe6b-898b-4145-b9fd-1b46a57a1e15@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#46713
Τη Κυριακή, 2 Ιουνίου 2013 8:21:46 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico έγραψε:

> Or you could do a quick web search, like we keep telling you to do for
> other things. I'm pretty sure Google is familiar with both those
> names, and will point you to a mighty fine shindig.


I see, nice one! :)
I though ti was somehtign you invented yourself :)

Now, as yo my initial question, can you suggest anything please?
I dont know what else to try.

The whole subprocess fails when it has to deal with a greek lettered filename.
I just dont get it...
I didn't ask for metrites.py to open via subprocess the greek filename, i just told metrites.py to call files.py which in turn tries to open that greek filename.

Thats indirectly call...

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#46768

FromMichael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-02 23:40 -0600
Message-ID<mailman.2580.1370238044.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#46721
On 06/02/2013 12:34 PM, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote:
> The whole subprocess fails when it has to deal with a greek lettered
> filename.

No it doesn't.  subprocess is working correctly.  It's the program
subprocess is running that is erring out.  subprocess is merely
reporting to you that it erred out, just as it should.

> I just dont get it... I didn't ask for metrites.py to open via
> subprocess the greek filename, i just told metrites.py to call
> files.py which in turn tries to open that greek filename.

Seems to me, then it's clear how you should go about debugging this.
Have to run each layer separately, and see where the error occurs.
Start with files.py.

that's what any of us would do if the code were ours.  But we can't do
the debugging for you.  It's not possible!  We don't have access to your
code nor to your server environment.  Nor is it appropriate for any of
us who have no contractual relationship with you to have such access to
your server.

Good luck.

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#46738

FromTim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-03 09:10 +1000
Message-ID<mailman.2566.1370214618.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#46705

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>
> A programmer chooses his own clients, and you are the Atherton Wing to
> my Inara Serra.
>

I've just been watching this train wreck (so glad I didn't get involved at
the start) but I have to say - that's brilliant Chris. Thank you for
starting my week off so well.

Tim Delaney

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#46739

FromTim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-03 09:13 +1000
Message-ID<mailman.2567.1370214796.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#46705

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On 3 June 2013 09:10, Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> wrote:

> A programmer chooses his own clients, and you are the Atherton Wing to
>> my Inara Serra.
>>
>
> I've just been watching this train wreck (so glad I didn't get involved at
> the start) but I have to say - that's brilliant Chris. Thank you for
> starting my week off so well.
>

And I just realised I missed a shiny opportunity to wrangle "train job" in
there ...

Tim Delaney

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#46763

FromChris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-03 15:02 +1000
Message-ID<mailman.2578.1370235776.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#46705
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> wrote:
>> A programmer chooses his own clients, and you are the Atherton Wing to
>> my Inara Serra.
>
>
> I've just been watching this train wreck (so glad I didn't get involved at
> the start) but I have to say - that's brilliant Chris. Thank you for
> starting my week off so well.

That went well.

*sighs happily*

ChrisA

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#46764

FromΝικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-02 22:05 -0700
Message-ID<8c16324f-da12-44ff-bf2f-4ae56f9127c0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#46763
Chris can you please help me solve this problem?

Why subprocess fails when it has to deal with a greek flename? and that an indirect call too....

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#46766

FromΝικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-02 22:22 -0700
Message-ID<08d3f040-8f29-414c-a24e-c728cd387278@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#46764
Ok, this email is something of a recital of how I approached this.

The apache error log:

I restarted the apache:
  /etc/init.d/httpd restart

Then a:
  ps axf
gave me the PID of a running httpd. Examining its open files:
  lsof -p 9287

shows me:
  httpd   9287 nobody    2w   REG    0,192 12719609  56510510 /usr/local/apache/logs/error_log
  httpd   9287 nobody    7w   REG    0,192  7702310  56510512 /usr/local/apache/logs/access_log
among many others.

So, to monitor these logs:

  tail -F /usr/local/apache/logs/error_log /usr/local/apache/logs/access_log &

placing the tail in the background so I can still use that shell.

Watching the log while fetching the page:

  http://superhost.gr/

says:

  ==> /usr/local/apache/logs/error_log <==
  [Tue Apr 23 12:11:40 2013] [error] [client 54.252.27.86] suexec policy violation: see suexec log for more details
  [Tue Apr 23 12:11:40 2013] [error] [client 54.252.27.86] Premature end of script headers: metrites.py
  [Tue Apr 23 12:11:40 2013] [error] [client 54.252.27.86] File does not exist: /home/nikos/public_html/500.shtml
  [Tue Apr 23 12:11:43 2013] [error] [client 107.22.40.41] suexec policy violation: see suexec log for more details
  [Tue Apr 23 12:11:43 2013] [error] [client 107.22.40.41] Premature end of script headers: metrites.py
  [Tue Apr 23 12:11:43 2013] [error] [client 107.22.40.41] File does not exist: /home/nikos/public_html/500.shtml
  [Tue Apr 23 12:11:45 2013] [error] [client 79.125.63.121] suexec policy violation: see suexec log for more details
  [Tue Apr 23 12:11:45 2013] [error] [client 79.125.63.121] Premature end of script headers: metrites.py
  [Tue Apr 23 12:11:45 2013] [error] [client 79.125.63.121] File does not exist: /home/nikos/public_html/500.shtml

So:

You're using suexec in your Apache. This greatly complicates your debugging.

Suexec seems to be a facility for arranging that CGI script run as the user
who owns them. Because that has a lot of potential for ghastly
security holes, suexec performs a large number of strict checks on
CGI script locations, permissions and locations before running a
CGI script.  At a guess the first hurdle would be that metrites.py
is owned by root. Suexec is very picky about what users it is
prepared to become. "root" is not one of them, as you might imagine.

I've chowned metrites.py to nikos:nikos. Suexec not lets it run, producing this:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "metrites.py", line 9, in <module>
    sys.stderr = open('/home/nikos/public_html/cgi.err.out', 'a')
PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/nikos/public_html/cgi.err.out'

That file is owned by root. metrites.py is being run as nikos.

So:

  chown nikos:nikos /home/nikos/public_html/cgi.err.out


A page reload now shows this:

Error in sys.excepthook:
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 2334-2342: ordinal not in range(128)

  Original exception was:
  Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "metrites.py", line 226, in <module>
      print( template )
  UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 30-38: ordinal not in range(128)

This shows you writing the string in template to stdout. The default
encoding for stdout is 'ascii', accepting only characters of values
0..127. I expect template contains more than this, since the ASCII
range is very US Anglocentric; Greek characters for example won't
encode into ascii.

As mentioned in the thread on python-list, python will adopt your
terminal's encoding it used interactively but will be pretty
conservation if the output is not a terminal; ascii as you see
above.

What you want is probably UTF-8 in the output byte stream.  But
let's check what the HTTP headers are saying, because _they_ tell
the browser the byte stream encoding. The headers and your program's
encoding must match. So:

    % wget -S -O - http://superhost.gr/
  --2013-04-23 19:34:38--  http://superhost.gr/
  Resolving superhost.gr (superhost.gr)... 82.211.30.133
  Connecting to superhost.gr (superhost.gr)|82.211.30.133|:80... connected.
  HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
    HTTP/1.1 200 OK
    Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:34:46 GMT
    Server: Apache/2.2.24 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.24 OpenSSL/1.0.0-fips mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635
    Keep-Alive: timeout=5, max=100
    Connection: Keep-Alive
    Transfer-Encoding: chunked
    Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
  Length: unspecified [text/html]
  Saving to: ‘STDOUT’

  <!--: spam
  Content-Type: text/html

  <body bgcolor="#f0f0f8"><font color="#f0f0f8" size="-5"> -->
  <body bgcolor="#f0f0f8"><font color="#f0f0f8" size="-5"> --> -->
  </font> </font> </font> </script> </object> </blockquote> </pre>

So, the Content-Type: header says: "text/html; charset=utf-8". So that's good.

So I've imported codecs and added this line:

  sys.stdout = os.fdopen(1, 'w', encoding='utf-8')

under the setting of sys.stderr. If the cgi libraries run under
python 3 there is probably a cleaner way to do this but i don't know how.

This just opens UNIX file descriptor 1 (standard output) from scratch
for write ('w') using the 'utf-8' encoding.

And now your CGI script runs, accepting strings sent to print().
sys.stdout now takes care of transcoding those strings (Unicode
character code points inside Python) into the utf-8 encoding required
in the output bytes.

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#46767

FromΝικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-02 22:31 -0700
Message-ID<3e4caaa7-99d7-4d4e-b589-3214f1474a69@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#46766
But still when it comes to subprocess trying to call files.py which in turn tries to call a greek filename i get the same response i posted at my initial post.

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#46769

FromMichael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-02 23:45 -0600
Message-ID<mailman.2581.1370238362.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#46766
On 06/02/2013 11:22 PM, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote:
> Ok, this email is something of a recital of how I approached this.

Excellent.  You're making progress.  Keep doing research, and learn how
to debug your python programs.

One thing I've done as a last resort when I just can't get good error
reporting because of subprocess or something else, is to have my script
open a file in /tmp and write messages to it as the program executes.
Sometimes I write out what the standard input was so I know for doing a
standalone run.  There's your free hint for the day.

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#46771

FromΝικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-02 23:11 -0700
Message-ID<1e3ee6bc-f14c-4ffd-861b-7bab16e8b750@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#46769
Thankls Michael,

are these two behave the same in your opinion?

sys.stdout = os.fdopen(1, 'w', encoding='utf-8')

which is what i have now
opposed to this one

import ocdecs
sys.stdout = codecs.getwriter("utf-8")(sys.stdout.detach())

Which one should i keep and why?

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#46779

FromMark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2013-06-03 10:00 +0100
Message-ID<mailman.2587.1370250030.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#46771
On 03/06/2013 07:11, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote:
> Thankls Michael,
>
> are these two behave the same in your opinion?
>
> sys.stdout = os.fdopen(1, 'w', encoding='utf-8')
>
> which is what i have now
> opposed to this one
>
> import ocdecs
> sys.stdout = codecs.getwriter("utf-8")(sys.stdout.detach())
>
> Which one should i keep and why?
>

import ocdecs?

Sums up perfectly the amount of effort you put in.

-- 
"Steve is going for the pink ball - and for those of you who are 
watching in black and white, the pink is next to the green." Snooker 
commentator 'Whispering' Ted Lowe.

Mark Lawrence

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#46782

FromChris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-03 19:05 +1000
Message-ID<mailman.2589.1370250804.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#46771
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 03/06/2013 07:11, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote:
>>
>> Thankls Michael,
>>
>> are these two behave the same in your opinion?
>>
>> sys.stdout = os.fdopen(1, 'w', encoding='utf-8')
>>
>> which is what i have now
>> opposed to this one
>>
>> import ocdecs
>> sys.stdout = codecs.getwriter("utf-8")(sys.stdout.detach())
>>
>> Which one should i keep and why?
>>
>
> import ocdecs?
>
> Sums up perfectly the amount of effort you put in.

If he imported a little more OCD, it might help a lot.

ChrisA

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#46783

FromΝικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-03 02:32 -0700
Message-ID<29bc5bfa-4bfd-4339-b78e-2c1b7f443980@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#46782
Here is the whole code of files.py in case someone wants to comment on somethign about how to properly encode/decode the filanames, which seems to be the problem.

http://pastebin.com/qXasy5iU

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#46819

FromSteven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info>
Date2013-06-03 23:04 +0000
Message-ID<51ad20df$0$11118$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#46783
On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 02:32:42 -0700, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote:

> Here is the whole code of files.py in case someone wants to comment on
> somethign about how to properly encode/decode the filanames, which seems
> to be the problem.
> 
> http://pastebin.com/qXasy5iU


Second line in the file says:

import cgi, re, os, sys, socket, datetime, pymysql, locale


but there is no pymysql module available. Fix that problem, and then we 
can look at the next problem.


-- 
Steven

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#46772

FromSteven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info>
Date2013-06-03 06:46 +0000
Message-ID<51ac3bd6$0$11118$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#46764
On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 22:05:28 -0700, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote:

> Why subprocess fails when it has to deal with a greek flename? and that
> an indirect call too....

It doesn't. The command you are calling fails, not subprocess.


The code you show is this:


 /home/nikos/public_html/cgi-bin/metrites.py in ()
    217                 template = htmldata + counter
    218         elif page.endswith('.py'):
=>  219                 htmldata = subprocess.check_output( '/home/nikos/
public_html/cgi-bin/' + page )
    220                 template = htmldata.decode('utf-8').replace
( 'Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8', '' ) + counter



The first step is to inspect the value of the file name. Normally I would 
just call print, but since this is live code, and a web server, you 
probably don't want to use print directly. But you can print to a file, 
and then inspect the file. Using logging is probably better, but here's a 
real quick and dirty way to get the same result:

elif page.endswith('.py'):
    name = '/home/nikos/public_html/cgi-bin/' + page
    print(name, file=open('/home/nikos/out.txt', 'w'))
    htmldata = subprocess.check_output(name)



Now inspect /tmp/out.txt using the text editor of your choice. What does 
it contain? Is the file name of the executable what you expect? Does it 
exist, and is it executable?


The next step, after checking that, is to check the executable .py file. 
It may contain a bug which is causing this problem. However, I think I 
can guess what the nature of the problem is.


The output you show includes:

    cmd = '/home/nikos/public_html/cgi-bin/files.py' 
    output = b'Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8\n\n<bod...n 
position 74: surrogates not allowed\n\n-->\n\n' 


My *guess* of your problem is this: your file names have invalid bytes in 
them, when interpreted as UTF-8.

Remember, on a Linux system, file names are stored as bytes. So the file-
name-as-a-string need to be *encoded* into bytes. My *guess* is that 
somehow, when renaming your files, you gave them a name which may be 
correctly encoded in some other encoding, but not in UTF-8. Then, when 
you try to read the file names in UTF-8, you hit an illegal byte, half of 
a surrogate pair perhaps, and everything blows up.

Something like this:

py> s = "Νικόλαος Κούρας"
py> b = s.encode('ISO-8859-7')  # Oh oh, wrong encoding!
py> print(b)
b'\xcd\xe9\xea\xfc\xeb\xe1\xef\xf2 \xca\xef\xfd\xf1\xe1\xf2'
py> b.decode('UTF-8')
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xcd in position 0: 
invalid continuation byte


Obviously the error is a little different, because the original string is 
different.

If I am right, the solution is to fix the file names to ensure that they 
are all valid UTF-8 names. If you view the directory containing these 
files in a file browser that supports UTF-8, do you see any file names 
containing Mojibake?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojibake


Fix those file names, and hopefully the problem will go away.



-- 
Steven

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#46775

FromChris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-03 17:36 +1000
Message-ID<mailman.2585.1370245002.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#46772
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> Then, when
> you try to read the file names in UTF-8, you hit an illegal byte, half of
> a surrogate pair perhaps, and everything blows up.

Minor quibble: Surrogates are an artifact of UTF-16, so they're 16-bit
values like 0xD808 or 0xDF45. Possibly what you're talking about here
is a continuation byte, which in UTF-8 are used only after a lead
byte. For instance: 0xF0 0x92 0x8D 0x85 is valid UTF-8, but 0x41 0x92
is not.

There is one other really annoying thing to deal with, and that's the
theoretical UTF-8 encoding of a UTF-16 surrogate. (I say "theoretical"
because strictly, these are invalid; UTF-8 does not encode invalid
codepoints.) 0xED 0xA0 0x88 and 0xED 0xBD 0x85 encode the two I
mentioned above. Depending on what's reading the filename, you might
actually have these throw errors, or maybe not. Python's decoder is
correctly strict:

>>> str(b'\xed\xa0\x88','utf-8')
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<pyshell#9>", line 1, in <module>
    str(b'\xed\xa0\x88','utf-8')
UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode bytes in position 0-2:
invalid continuation byte

Actually, I'm not sure here, but I think that error message may be
wrong, or at least unclear. It's perfectly possible to decode those
bytes using the UTF-8 algorithm; you end up with the value 0xD808,
which you then reject because it's a surrogate. But maybe the Python
UTF-8 decoder simplifies some of that.

ChrisA

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#46781

FromΝικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-03 02:12 -0700
Message-ID<f6fe5e09-dd60-472f-a301-1c484b8e5ce6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#46772
Τη Δευτέρα, 3 Ιουνίου 2013 9:46:46 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Steven D'Aprano έγραψε:

> If I am right, the solution is to fix the file names to ensure that they 
> are all valid UTF-8 names. If you view the directory containing these 
> files in a file browser that supports UTF-8, do you see any file names 
> containing Mojibake?

> Fix those file names, and hopefully the problem will go away.

You are right Steven, i just renames the file 'Euxi tou Ihsou.mp3' => 'Eυχή του Ιησού.mp3' and here is how it appears the filename directory listing via Chrome.

http://superhost.gr/data/apps/

I doesn't display the file with proper Greek characters but with *Mojibake* instead.

So, as you correctly said when files.py need to actually open that file, it cannot decode its stored byte stream from the hdd to proper 'utf-8' charset.

So, how will files.py be able to open these files then?!?!

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#46787

Fromrusi <rustompmody@gmail.com>
Date2013-06-03 05:54 -0700
Message-ID<8e6d9391-2afd-406d-af3c-933e0dbb1c02@ks18g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#46781
On Jun 3, 2:12 pm, Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are right Steven, i just renames the file 'Euxi tou Ihsou.mp3' => 'Eõ÷Þ ôïõ Éçóïý.mp3' and…

Is that how you renamed your file?
In any case thats what I see!!

[Dont whether to say: Its greek to me or its not greek to me!!]

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