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Too many python installations. Should i remove them all and install the latest?

Started by	Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
First post	2013-05-31 08:20 -0700
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#46636

From	David <bouncingcats@gmail.com>
Date	2013-06-01 10:18 +1000
Message-ID	<mailman.2511.1370045888.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46623

On 01/06/2013, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 8:50 AM, David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Apart from the bizarre trailing '*' characters which for which I have
>> no sane explanation...
>
> I believe that indicates that his 'ls' is aliased to 'ls --classify',
> which puts * after executables (and / after directories, and @ after
> symlinks, also a few others). Not a problem.

Ah, old skool. I have seen that before now that you mention it. Thanks
for the correction.
I knew I didn't have all the answers, but felt that I'd try some pig
wrestling anyway.

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#46639

From	Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date	2013-06-01 10:24 +1000
Message-ID	<mailman.2513.1370046264.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46623

On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM, David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/06/2013, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 8:50 AM, David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Apart from the bizarre trailing '*' characters which for which I have
>>> no sane explanation...
>>
>> I believe that indicates that his 'ls' is aliased to 'ls --classify',
>> which puts * after executables (and / after directories, and @ after
>> symlinks, also a few others). Not a problem.
>
> Ah, old skool. I have seen that before now that you mention it. Thanks
> for the correction.
> I knew I didn't have all the answers, but felt that I'd try some pig
> wrestling anyway.

Yeah. I know that particular one because I have l aliased to ls -CF
(aka --columns --classify), mainly because it came that way as a
commented-out entry in my first Debian. Have since become quite
accustomed to it; to me, 'l' means 'look' (I do love my MUDs), so I'm
considering aliasing 'gl' to 'pwd' so that I can 'glance' too :)

Hmm. What other MUD commands have obvious Unix equivalents?

say --> echo
emote --> python -c
attack --> sudo rm -f

ChrisA

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#46757

From	Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date	2013-06-03 13:18 +1000
Message-ID	<mailman.2575.1370229532.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46639

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:30 PM, alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 1, 10:24 am, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hmm. What other MUD commands have obvious Unix equivalents?
>>
>> say --> echo
>> emote --> python -c
>> attack --> sudo rm -f
>
> who --> who
> tell --> write
> alias --> ln
> look --> cat
> go --> cd
> teleport --> pushd/popd ?

I don't use an explicit 'go' though, I usually just type 'n' to go
north, or 'booth1' to go booth1. Unfortunately that doesn't translate
well into a simple alias :)

Hey, if you like MUDs, why not come play D&D with us? minstrelhall.com
port 221 - always looking for new players!

ChrisA

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#46795

From	nagia.retsina@gmail.com
Date	2013-06-03 08:00 -0700
Message-ID	<c8264854-d32f-41fc-a587-fd4a037a2f4a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#46757

Τη Δευτέρα, 3 Ιουνίου 2013 6:18:43 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico έγραψε:

> Hey, if you like MUDs, why not come play D&D with us? minstrelhall.com
> port 221 - always looking for new players!

I am a fanatic hess player.
You can find me on FICS under the handle 'NikosGr'.
I challenge you! :-)

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#46785

From	Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com>
Date	2013-06-03 12:26 +0100
Message-ID	<mailman.2591.1370259276.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46639

On 3 June 2013 04:18, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:30 PM, alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 1, 10:24 am, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hmm. What other MUD commands have obvious Unix equivalents?
>>>
>>> say --> echo
>>> emote --> python -c
>>> attack --> sudo rm -f
>>
>> who --> who
>> tell --> write
>> alias --> ln
>> look --> cat
>> go --> cd
>> teleport --> pushd/popd ?
>
> I don't use an explicit 'go' though, I usually just type 'n' to go
> north, or 'booth1' to go booth1. Unfortunately that doesn't translate
> well into a simple alias :)

What shell do you use? Zsh supports this (implicit cd). I don't have
it active because it's not that useful - you get better completion
with explicit cd - but it exists.

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#46640

From	Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Date	2013-06-01 01:43 +0100
Message-ID	<mailman.2514.1370047411.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46623

On 01/06/2013 01:18, David wrote:
> I knew I didn't have all the answers, but felt that I'd try some pig
> wrestling anyway.
>

To carry on with the animal analogy, the OP appears to me a very 
dangerous combination of headless chicken and bull in a china shop.

-- 
"Steve is going for the pink ball - and for those of you who are 
watching in black and white, the pink is next to the green." Snooker 
commentator 'Whispering' Ted Lowe.

Mark Lawrence

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#46642

From	Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com>
Date	2013-05-31 18:59 -0600
Message-ID	<mailman.2516.1370048390.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46623

On 05/31/2013 12:02 PM, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote:
> please tell me how to unistall python 2.6 and just keep 2.7
> and install 3.3.2 please uisng yum.

Python 2.6 is required for CentOS to function.  You simply cannot remove
it.  You can't replace it with 2.7 either.  You can install 2.7
alongside it if you want (seems like you have).

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#46801

From	Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com>
Date	2013-06-03 12:29 -0600
Message-ID	<mailman.2601.1370284173.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46623

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On May 31, 2013 6:27 PM, "Chris Angelico" <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah. I know that particular one because I have l aliased to ls -CF
> (aka --columns --classify), mainly because it came that way as a
> commented-out entry in my first Debian. Have since become quite
> accustomed to it; to me, 'l' means 'look' (I do love my MUDs), so I'm
> considering aliasing 'gl' to 'pwd' so that I can 'glance' too :)
>
> Hmm. What other MUD commands have obvious Unix equivalents?
>
> say --> echo
> emote --> python -c
> attack --> sudo rm -f

Have you ever tried Adventure Shell?

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#46618

From	Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com>
Date	2013-05-31 11:24 -0600
Message-ID	<mailman.2498.1370021465.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46614

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
> root@nikos [~]# ls -al /usr/bin/python*
> -rwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4864 Feb 22 02:00 /usr/bin/python*
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    6 Apr  5 20:34 /usr/bin/python2 -> python*
> -rwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4864 Feb 22 02:00 /usr/bin/python2.6*
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1418 Feb 22 02:00 /usr/bin/python2.6-config*
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   24 Apr  7 22:10 /usr/bin/python3 -> /opt/python3/bin/python3*
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   16 Apr  5 20:35 /usr/bin/python-config -> python2.6-config*
> root@nikos [~]#
>
> so, i should just 'yum remove python3' ?

If you're not using it, and if yum isn't going to remove anything else
that has it as a dependency, then go ahead.

On the other hand, there's really not much harm in leaving it.  Python
2.6 is already your default Python.

Is this the same system where you recently spent a lot of time
upgrading your web scripts to Python 3?

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#46620

From	Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date	2013-05-31 10:38 -0700
Message-ID	<0e75b06d-9e3c-4ecd-b5e5-e616a1e904cb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#46618

Τη Παρασκευή, 31 Μαΐου 2013 8:24:26 μ.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Ian έγραψε:

> On the other hand, there's really not much harm in leaving it.  Python 
> 2.6 is already your default Python.

> Is this the same system where you recently spent a lot of time
> upgrading your web scripts to Python 3?

Yes, its the same system but it reports python 4 times.
I just hate seeing this:

root@nikos [~]# which python 
/usr/bin/python 
root@nikos [~]# which python2 
/usr/bin/python2 
root@nikos [~]# which python3 
/root/.local/lib/python2.7/bin/python3 
root@nikos [~]# which python3.3 
/root/.local/lib/python2.7/bin/python3.3 
root@nikos [~]# 

and this too:

> root@nikos [~]# ls -al /usr/bin/python* 
> -rwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4864 Feb 22 02:00 /usr/bin/python* 
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    6 Apr  5 20:34 /usr/bin/python2 -> python* 
> -rwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4864 Feb 22 02:00 /usr/bin/python2.6* 
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1418 Feb 22 02:00 /usr/bin/python2.6-config* 
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   24 Apr  7 22:10 /usr/bin/python3 -> /opt/python3/bin/python3* 
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   16 Apr  5 20:35 /usr/bin/python-config -> python2.6-config* 
> root@nikos [~]# 

How can i fix this please.

i just want to leave 2.7 and downlaod 3.3.2
could you please tell me what commands i should issue?

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#46617

From	Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com>
Date	2013-05-31 17:24 +0000
Message-ID	<715qt.11476$Wt5.8275@fx24.am4>
In reply to	#46605

On Fri, 31 May 2013 08:20:54 -0700, Νικόλαος Κούρας wrote:

> I'am using CentOS v6.4 on my VPS and hence 'yum' install manager and i
> just tried:
> 
> Code:
> root@nikos [~]# which python /usr/bin/python root@nikos [~]# which
> python3 /root/.local/lib/python2.7/bin/python3 root@nikos [~]# which
> python3.3 /root/.local/lib/python2.7/bin/python3.3 root@nikos [~]#
> 
> Why so many pythons in my system.
> Now in the case of my Python3 installation, it looks like i have two
> parallel installations of Python3, but i don't. One is almost certainly
> a symlink to the other and not an actual installation.
> 
> I'm thinking of:
> 
> yum remove python yum remove python3 yum remove python3.3
> 
> and
> 
> yum install python3.3.2 from scratch.
> 
> I'm sceptic about uninstalling python 2.x though. Seems to me as a bad
> idea because most of the core system utilities are written in Python
> 2.6+. Yum, for example, is a collection of Python 2.6 programs. If i
> actually do "yum remove python" i will see most of my core system get
> listed in the uninstall dependency list -- which is a Bad Thing.
> 
> But then again i dont like the idea of having too many Python into my
> system.
> What is you opinion?

Do not "Yum Remove Python" as you suggest this will remove vital system 
tools.

I have both Python 2.7 & python3 (Python 3.3) on my Fedora system with no 
problems so i would not worry 



-- 
No question is so difficult as one to which the answer is obvious.

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#46635

From	Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Date	2013-05-31 20:15 -0400
Message-ID	<mailman.2510.1370045733.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46605

On Fri, 31 May 2013 08:20:54 -0700 (PDT), Íéêüëáïò Êïýñáò
<nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:

> I'am using CentOS v6.4 on my VPS and hence 'yum' install manager and i just tried:
> 
> Code:
> root@nikos [~]# which python
> /usr/bin/python
> root@nikos [~]# which python3
> /root/.local/lib/python2.7/bin/python3
> root@nikos [~]# which python3.3
> /root/.local/lib/python2.7/bin/python3.3
> root@nikos [~]#

	I'd be concerned that those 3/3.3 entries are showing up in a 2.7
installation directory!

	Other than that, I'd see if some of those of softlinks (or even
hardlinks) to another... That is: /usr/bin/python maybe links to your
python3.3, and your python3 also links to the python3.3 -- meaning you
really only have one Python in the 3.x branch (you didn't check for 2.x)
-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
        wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#46646

From	Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date	2013-05-31 22:35 -0700
Message-ID	<7eb10d6f-2252-4704-8cad-aca7e6fbf08c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#46635

Τη Σάββατο, 1 Ιουνίου 2013 3:15:22 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Dennis Lee Bieber έγραψε:
> On Fri, 31 May 2013 08:20:54 -0700 (PDT), ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½
> 
> <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> declaimed the following in
> 
> gmane.comp.python.general:
> 
> 
> 
> > I'am using CentOS v6.4 on my VPS and hence 'yum' install manager and i just tried:
> 
> > 
> 
> > Code:
> 
> > root@nikos [~]# which python
> 
> > /usr/bin/python
> 
> > root@nikos [~]# which python3
> 
> > /root/.local/lib/python2.7/bin/python3
> 
> > root@nikos [~]# which python3.3
> 
> > /root/.local/lib/python2.7/bin/python3.3
> 
> > root@nikos [~]#
> 
> 
> 
> 	I'd be concerned that those 3/3.3 entries are showing up in a 2.7
> 
> installation directory!
> 
> 
> 
> 	Other than that, I'd see if some of those of softlinks (or even
> 
> hardlinks) to another... That is: /usr/bin/python maybe links to your
> 
> python3.3, and your python3 also links to the python3.3 -- meaning you
> 
> really only have one Python in the 3.x branch (you didn't check for 2.x)
> 
> -- 
> 
> 	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
> 
>         wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

Thats exactly my thoughts.
Can you please tell me HOW TO GET RID OF ALL PYTHON SETUPS except 2.6 that is needed for system core and then just install 3.3.2?

also why cant i install 3.3.2  using yum. if i could instead of building from source then i wouldn't have this installed mess but i could simply
yum remove python*

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#46648

From	Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date	2013-06-01 16:18 +1000
Message-ID	<mailman.2518.1370067515.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46646

On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can you please tell me HOW TO GET RID OF ALL PYTHON SETUPS except 2.6 that is needed for system core and then just install 3.3.2?

Nuke the hard drive from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

> also why cant i install 3.3.2  using yum. if i could instead of building from source then i wouldn't have this installed mess but i could simply
> yum remove python*

That would require that the repo have a 3.3.2 build in it. I don't
know the Red Hat / CentOS policies there, but I know Debian stable
wouldn't have anything so new - it takes time to test things.

ChrisA

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#46652

From	Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date	2013-06-01 00:51 -0700
Message-ID	<564b0e3b-7b09-4b43-897d-d423f92f19ca@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#46648

Τη Σάββατο, 1 Ιουνίου 2013 9:18:26 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico έγραψε:

> That would require that the repo have a 3.3.2 build in it. I don't
> know the Red Hat / CentOS policies there, but I know Debian stable 
> wouldn't have anything so new - it takes time to test things.

Is there a way to change to some repo that contain the latest python 3.3.2 to yo yum it?

Do you advise me to have the peple that iam paiding the VPS to switch me from CentOS 6.4 to ubuntu or even better debian?

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#46653

From	Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date	2013-06-01 18:00 +1000
Message-ID	<mailman.2521.1370073607.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46652

On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
> Τη Σάββατο, 1 Ιουνίου 2013 9:18:26 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico έγραψε:
>
>> That would require that the repo have a 3.3.2 build in it. I don't
>> know the Red Hat / CentOS policies there, but I know Debian stable
>> wouldn't have anything so new - it takes time to test things.
>
> Is there a way to change to some repo that contain the latest python 3.3.2 to yo yum it?
>
> Do you advise me to have the peple that iam paiding the VPS to switch me from CentOS 6.4 to ubuntu or even better debian?

I advise you to follow the recommendations of the Matrix Oracle and
make up <rest of quote elided>.

ChrisA

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#46656

From	Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au>
Date	2013-06-01 18:21 +1000
Message-ID	<mailman.2524.1370074895.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46652

On 01Jun2013 00:51, =?utf-8?B?zp3Or866zr/PgiDOk866z4EzM866?= <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
| Τη Σάββατο, 1 Ιουνίου 2013 9:18:26 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico έγραψε:
| > That would require that the repo have a 3.3.2 build in it. I don't
| > know the Red Hat / CentOS policies there, but I know Debian stable 
| > wouldn't have anything so new - it takes time to test things.
| 
| Is there a way to change to some repo that contain the latest python 3.3.2 to yo yum it?

I asked Google:

  extra yum repositories for centos

and it pointed me at:

  http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories

Probably one of these has Python 3. Or build it from source; it's not hard.
-- 
Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au>

Luge strategy? Lie flat and try not to die.
- Carman Boyle, Olympic Luge Gold Medalist

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#46657

From	Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date	2013-06-01 01:30 -0700
Message-ID	<fc370d38-5836-4c87-960f-f69385e499af@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#46656

Τη Σάββατο, 1 Ιουνίου 2013 11:21:14 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Cameron Simpson έγραψε:
> On 01Jun2013 00:51, =?utf-8?B?zp3Or866zr/PgiDOk866z4EzM866?= <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> | Τη Σάββατο, 1 Ιουνίου 2013 9:18:26 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico έγραψε:
> 
> | > That would require that the repo have a 3.3.2 build in it. I don't
> 
> | > know the Red Hat / CentOS policies there, but I know Debian stable 
> 
> | > wouldn't have anything so new - it takes time to test things.
> 
> | 
> 
> | Is there a way to change to some repo that contain the latest python 3.3.2 to yo yum it?
> 
> 
> 
> I asked Google:
> 
> 
> 
>   extra yum repositories for centos
> 
> 
> 
> and it pointed me at:
> 
> 
> 
>   http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories
> 
> 
> 
> Probably one of these has Python 3. Or build it from source; it's not hard.

Should i chnage form CentoOS 6.4 to ubuntu by your opinion?

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#46678

From	Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au>
Date	2013-06-02 14:36 +1000
Message-ID	<mailman.2534.1370147781.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46657

On 01Jun2013 01:30, =?utf-8?B?zp3Or866zr/PgiDOk866z4EzM866?= <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
| Τη Σάββατο, 1 Ιουνίου 2013 11:21:14 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Cameron Simpson έγραψε:
| > On 01Jun2013 00:51, =?utf-8?B?zp3Or866zr/PgiDOk866z4EzM866?= <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
| > | Τη Σάββατο, 1 Ιουνίου 2013 9:18:26 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico έγραψε:
| > | > That would require that the repo have a 3.3.2 build in it. I don't
| > | > know the Red Hat / CentOS policies there, but I know Debian stable 
| > | > wouldn't have anything so new - it takes time to test things.
| > | 
| > | Is there a way to change to some repo that contain the latest python 3.3.2 to yo yum it?
| > 
| > I asked Google:
| >   extra yum repositories for centos
| > and it pointed me at:
| >   http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories
| > 
| > Probably one of these has Python 3. Or build it from source; it's not hard.
| 
| Should i chnage form CentoOS 6.4 to ubuntu by your opinion?

No. Just sort it out on CentOS. Try the extra repos. Get Python 3
from one (I'm not sure why you think your current Python 3 install
is a problem anyway, though).

You're already slightly familiar with CentOS. Switching distros
will just cause more pain. Fix your actual problems first.

This is not a recommendation one way or another re CentOS versus
Ubunutu; it is a recommendation not to change without a better reason.
-- 
Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au>

It takes seven or eight people to send a FAX.   - Anonymous IRS guy

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#46679

From	Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date	2013-06-02 14:41 +1000
Message-ID	<mailman.2535.1370148113.3114.python-list@python.org>
In reply to	#46657

On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> wrote:
> This is not a recommendation one way or another re CentOS versus
> Ubunutu; it is a recommendation not to change without a better reason.

Agreed. I happen to like Debian-family Linuxes, having spent most of
my Linux time on either Ubuntu or Debian (and am now happy with Debian
Wheezy on most of my computers), but there's really no point jumping
ship randomly. I'm saying this for the archive only, though. Nikos
just needs to learn the skill of figuring out where his problems
really are.

ChrisA

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Too many python installations. Should i remove them all and install the latest?

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