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| Started by | Νίκος Γκρ33κ <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2013-11-06 17:25 +0200 |
| Last post | 2013-11-16 10:40 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 220 — 47 participants |
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To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Γκρ33κ <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 17:25 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 10:34 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 21:20 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 14:39 -0700
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 11:32 +1000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:15 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 11:34 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 20:52 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:52 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 12:00 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Maarten <maarten.sneep@knmi.nl> - 2013-11-08 03:08 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 00:12 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 15:48 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-08 14:55 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 12:05 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 13:30 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 15:57 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 14:09 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-08 15:44 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 10:00 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 21:09 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 13:40 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 14:02 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 17:15 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 16:06 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 18:28 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database unknown <unknown@unknown.com> - 2013-11-08 16:48 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 18:57 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database unknown <unknown@unknown.com> - 2013-11-08 17:01 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 19:09 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 12:16 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ned Deily <nad@acm.org> - 2013-11-08 09:26 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-08 20:30 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database unknown <unknown@unknown.com> - 2013-11-08 16:10 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-08 16:46 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database aurelien@xload.io (Aurélien DESBRIÈRES) - 2013-11-08 14:56 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 16:45 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 00:18 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 09:45 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 09:46 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 00:56 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 10:04 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 01:10 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-07 23:18 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 01:28 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 10:32 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2013-11-08 00:42 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 18:19 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 21:18 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:12 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 01:10 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 18:22 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:06 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-06 15:40 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 18:02 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-06 17:30 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Γκρ33κ <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 23:26 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2013-11-06 21:51 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-06 22:11 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-06 22:22 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-06 16:34 -0600
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 09:54 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-11-07 13:43 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-06 23:52 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 10:57 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-07 00:11 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-11-06 16:22 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-06 21:07 -0600
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 12:00 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-06 23:06 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-07 06:09 -0600
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database bob gailer <bgailer@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 07:19 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-07 16:27 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 01:01 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 01:13 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-11-07 11:35 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 09:15 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 01:31 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-07 10:06 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 15:46 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 00:59 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 16:16 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 01:33 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-11-07 14:58 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 16:13 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-07 19:22 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 15:47 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-07 16:34 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 19:42 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-07 18:11 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-11-07 18:28 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 11:45 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 19:45 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 21:29 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 00:31 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database ishish <ishish@domhain.de> - 2013-11-08 00:32 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Johannes Findeisen <mailman@hanez.org> - 2013-11-06 23:28 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2013-11-06 18:19 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 10:20 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 19:31 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 10:59 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:19 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 11:37 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:58 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 04:59 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 11:39 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:55 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 12:05 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 21:13 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-08 14:27 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 13:31 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-08 14:53 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-11-08 09:11 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 05:08 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 19:15 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 20:24 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-11-11 14:47 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-11 18:49 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-11-11 22:24 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-12 05:30 -0600
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-12 00:03 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-11 17:16 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-12 18:21 +1300
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-12 09:34 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:35 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-12 11:20 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-11-11 22:31 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-12 10:09 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-12 03:23 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-12 18:22 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-12 23:25 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 06:02 -0700
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-12 17:27 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-13 00:41 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-13 09:08 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 23:46 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-13 13:52 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-14 12:46 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-14 12:32 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-14 15:24 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-11-14 13:30 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-15 00:27 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-14 13:56 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 14:26 -0700
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-11-12 13:59 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 16:27 -0700
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-12 23:38 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 13:14 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-13 12:37 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 16:54 -0700
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-13 00:04 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-11-12 17:19 -0800
Bullying [was Re: To whoever hacked into my Database] Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-13 03:40 +0000
Re: Bullying [was Re: To whoever hacked into my Database] Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 07:22 -0700
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-13 10:08 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 05:38 -0700
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 07:10 -0700
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-13 19:11 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database superchromix <markb77@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 10:27 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-13 10:30 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 20:02 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 13:24 -0600
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 19:36 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database William Ray Wing <wrw@mac.com> - 2013-11-13 15:11 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-13 19:54 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 21:23 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-11-08 20:23 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 11:37 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-08 19:06 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-09 00:14 +0000
Relational data model, relations, and relationships (was: To whoever hacked into my Database) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-11-09 11:34 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-08 19:03 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 07:54 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 08:16 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 17:20 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 08:32 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 17:37 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 09:05 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 09:54 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 10:31 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 19:39 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 10:46 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 10:50 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-09 15:07 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 18:58 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 18:59 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database ishish <ishish@domhain.de> - 2013-11-10 01:44 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-10 12:42 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-09 16:32 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 09:20 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 12:32 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-10 14:49 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 17:01 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-10 15:09 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-10 16:28 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-10 08:15 -0800
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-10 20:13 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 19:58 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Petite Abeille <petite.abeille@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 18:57 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 20:46 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Petite Abeille <petite.abeille@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 20:16 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 21:21 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Petite Abeille <petite.abeille@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 20:32 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Rod Person <rodperson@rodperson.com> - 2013-11-10 14:54 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 21:41 +0100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Rod Person <rodperson@rodperson.com> - 2013-11-10 15:44 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Rod Person <rodperson@rodperson.com> - 2013-11-10 15:50 -0500
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-11 10:36 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-10 14:45 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 17:12 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-10 15:24 +0000
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 08:35 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 17:45 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 09:11 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 18:19 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 09:44 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 18:57 +1100
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-11 11:36 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 15:37 +0200
Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Robert Day <robert.day@merton.oxon.org> - 2013-11-16 10:40 +0000
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2013-11-12 00:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2412.1384214632.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #59112 |
On 11/11/2013 23:49, Joel Goldstick wrote: > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 5:47 PM, <rurpy@yahoo.com> wrote: Lets get this right folks once and for all. Let's carry on welcoming Nikos with open arms as he's such a wonderful benefactor to the community, but ban people such as Matt who had the audacity to write about an hour ago "Thank you guys so much. Brain fart moment. I appreciate it". This latter approach is simply intolerable. I'm assuming that representatives of the Python Software Foundation will be protesting to Matt in the strongest possible terms about this, and threatening him with a life long ban from this list should he repeat such disgusting words on our forum. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence
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| From | Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-11 17:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a212e07d-e2dc-4036-8e8e-1fe429dbea99@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #59112 |
On Monday, November 11, 2013 5:47:28 PM UTC-5, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: > On 11/08/2013 11:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 4:11 AM, <rurpy@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 11/08/2013 03:05 AM, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: > >>> I never ignore advices. > >>> I read all answers as carefully as i can. > >>> But nevertheless sometimes i feel things should have been better > >>> implemented using my way. > >>> > >>> Not of course that i know better, but thats better suited for me in the > >>> level iam. > >> > >> Most of the "advice" I've seen posted here has, as far > >> as I can tell, not intended to be useful but to serve > >> as a way to telling you are incompetent are in other ways > >> insulting or useless. I think you are quite right to > >> ignore it (or tell the poster to get lost.) > > > > Actually no; most of the advice has been genuine. > > Actually yes; most of the advice has not been genuine. > rurpy, I applaud your efforts to make this forum more civil. I do not like the general tone of the responses to Nikos these days. But you are being naive to present this as "the big bad meanies against the innocent OP." Nikos has received a good deal of genuine advice. He has also been genuinely difficult to help. > If you want to be helpful try posting useful information > without the insults, with an attempt to tune it to the > level of understanding the recipient and without the > offensive "do what I tell you" attitude. Lots of people have provided useful information, tuned to the recipient. And yet the threads continue to spiral out of control. You must acknowledge that threads started by Nikos end up going badly far more often than average. It can't simply be that everyone irrationally hates Nikos. > He didn't reject it out of hand, he gave some reasons why he > rejected it. But as is SOP here, you chose not to see or pay > any attention to those reasons. Actually, Nikos often has rejected advice out of hand. "I want to do it in one line" isn't a good reason to reject advice. "But I don't want to make another table" isn't a good criterion for database design. "I like mine better than yours, it just doesn't work, can you help me fix it" isn't a good way to get help. As I said, I applaud your efforts to improve the tone of this forum. But you won't do it by ignoring part of the problem: Nikos is difficult to help. He ignores advice; he doesn't seem to want to research the fundamentals of his problems; he refuses suggestions for capricious reasons; he reposts panicky questions, sometimes within minutes of each other. All of these things make him difficult to help, and raise the ire of people who are otherwise generous with their time and experience. I don't know how best to make things better overall. I know that overlooking Nikos' faults won't do it. --Ned.
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| From | Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> |
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| Date | 2013-11-12 18:21 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <beds78Ff066U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #59126 |
Ned Batchelder wrote: > I don't know how best to make things better overall. I know that overlooking > Nikos' faults won't do it. If everyone who reached the point where they don't think they can help any more would simply say so in a calm manner and then walk away, that would make things better overall. It wouldn't help *Nikos*, but it would prevent the discussion from degenerating into a flamefest. It takes two to spiral. -- Greg
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2013-11-12 09:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2443.1384248836.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #59151 |
On 12/11/2013 05:21, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Ned Batchelder wrote: >> I don't know how best to make things better overall. I know that >> overlooking Nikos' faults won't do it. > > If everyone who reached the point where they don't think > they can help any more would simply say so in a calm > manner and then walk away, that would make things better > overall. It wouldn't help *Nikos*, but it would prevent > the discussion from degenerating into a flamefest. > > It takes two to spiral. > In this case three, the OP, the spoon feeders who've tried so hard to help on so many occasions, but have consistently seen their help rejected, and the responders who finally get fed up. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-12 20:35 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2446.1384249365.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #59151 |
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On 12/11/2013 05:21, Gregory Ewing wrote: >> >> Ned Batchelder wrote: >>> >>> I don't know how best to make things better overall. I know that >>> overlooking Nikos' faults won't do it. >> >> >> If everyone who reached the point where they don't think >> they can help any more would simply say so in a calm >> manner and then walk away, that would make things better >> overall. It wouldn't help *Nikos*, but it would prevent >> the discussion from degenerating into a flamefest. >> >> It takes two to spiral. >> > > In this case three, the OP, the spoon feeders who've tried so hard to help > on so many occasions, but have consistently seen their help rejected, and > the responders who finally get fed up. And then it all goes meta. This thread hasn't had anything productive for quite some time now... nor even anything funny. ChrisA
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| From | Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> |
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| Date | 2013-11-12 11:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2449.1384251648.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #59151 |
Op 12-11-13 10:35, Chris Angelico schreef: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> On 12/11/2013 05:21, Gregory Ewing wrote: >>> >>> Ned Batchelder wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't know how best to make things better overall. I know that >>>> overlooking Nikos' faults won't do it. >>> >>> >>> If everyone who reached the point where they don't think >>> they can help any more would simply say so in a calm >>> manner and then walk away, that would make things better >>> overall. It wouldn't help *Nikos*, but it would prevent >>> the discussion from degenerating into a flamefest. >>> >>> It takes two to spiral. >>> >> >> In this case three, the OP, the spoon feeders who've tried so hard to help >> on so many occasions, but have consistently seen their help rejected, and >> the responders who finally get fed up. > > And then it all goes meta. This thread hasn't had anything productive > for quite some time now... nor even anything funny. Well if people disagree about what kind of response is appropiate, then I think discussing that, is productive. At least it is more productive than trying to be funny. -- Antoon Pardon
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| From | rurpy@yahoo.com |
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| Date | 2013-11-11 22:31 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a032abcc-cf42-41b2-b5bc-5fa6c200fb8c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #59126 |
On 11/11/2013 06:16 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On Monday, November 11, 2013 5:47:28 PM UTC-5, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: >> On 11/08/2013 11:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 4:11 AM, <rurpy@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On 11/08/2013 03:05 AM, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: >>>>> I never ignore advices. I read all answers as carefully as i >>>>> can. But nevertheless sometimes i feel things should have >>>>> been better implemented using my way. >>>>> >>>>> Not of course that i know better, but thats better suited for >>>>> me in the level iam. >>>> >>>> Most of the "advice" I've seen posted here has, as far as I can >>>> tell, not intended to be useful but to serve as a way to >>>> telling you are incompetent are in other ways insulting or >>>> useless. I think you are quite right to ignore it (or tell the >>>> poster to get lost.) >>> >>> Actually no; most of the advice has been genuine. >> >> Actually yes; most of the advice has not been genuine. > > rurpy, I applaud your efforts to make this forum more civil. I do > not like the general tone of the responses to Nikos these days. But > you are being naive to present this as "the big bad meanies against > the innocent OP." I never claimed Nikos was "innocent". I was complaining about responses, driven by frustration or hostility, that go beyond reasonable and become so dogmatic and absolutist that they themselves become wrong. Nikos (or anyone else) is right to reject such responses. > Nikos has received a good deal of genuine advice. He has also been > genuinely difficult to help. Yes. If he is too difficult to help without getting angry because he won't do what you (generic) tell him then perhaps a more constructive response is to stop trying to help him rather than join the lynch mob that is making the atmosphere here far worse (IMO) than Nikos alone could. However, I have made that argument in the past and am not interested in rearguing it. >[...]
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| From | Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> |
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| Date | 2013-11-12 10:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2438.1384247523.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #59157 |
Op 12-11-13 07:31, rurpy@yahoo.com schreef: > On 11/11/2013 06:16 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: >> On Monday, November 11, 2013 5:47:28 PM UTC-5, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: >>> On 11/08/2013 11:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>>> On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 4:11 AM, <rurpy@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> On 11/08/2013 03:05 AM, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote: >>>>>> I never ignore advices. I read all answers as carefully as i >>>>>> can. But nevertheless sometimes i feel things should have >>>>>> been better implemented using my way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not of course that i know better, but thats better suited for >>>>>> me in the level iam. >>>>> >>>>> Most of the "advice" I've seen posted here has, as far as I can >>>>> tell, not intended to be useful but to serve as a way to >>>>> telling you are incompetent are in other ways insulting or >>>>> useless. I think you are quite right to ignore it (or tell the >>>>> poster to get lost.) >>>> >>>> Actually no; most of the advice has been genuine. >>> >>> Actually yes; most of the advice has not been genuine. >> >> rurpy, I applaud your efforts to make this forum more civil. I do >> not like the general tone of the responses to Nikos these days. But >> you are being naive to present this as "the big bad meanies against >> the innocent OP." > > I never claimed Nikos was "innocent". I was complaining > about responses, driven by frustration or hostility, that > go beyond reasonable and become so dogmatic and absolutist > that they themselves become wrong. Nikos (or anyone else) > is right to reject such responses. So you are complaining about people being human. Yes that is how people tend to react when they continualy are frustrated by someone who refuses to show the slightest cooperation. So no rejecting such responses, particullarly by the person who caused them is not right. It is defelecting the blame from the primal cause. >> Nikos has received a good deal of genuine advice. He has also been >> genuinely difficult to help. > > Yes. If he is too difficult to help without getting > angry because he won't do what you (generic) tell him > then perhaps a more constructive response is to stop > trying to help him rather than join the lynch mob that > is making the atmosphere here far worse (IMO) than > Nikos alone could. However, I have made that argument > in the past and am not interested in rearguing it. That is correct but is expecting too much from people in general. Expecting from frustrated people to act rational and constructive is just a recipe for your own frustrations. And your own reaction illustrates the problem beautifully because you come with an irrational non-constructive proposal, that is very unlikely to motivate people in actually want to cooperate with you in getting this community to be more positive again. -- Antoon Pardon.
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| From | Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-12 03:23 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ef11ad92-837b-4b89-9cfd-8df11070db75@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #59157 |
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:31:32 AM UTC-5, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: > On 11/11/2013 06:16 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > > Nikos has received a good deal of genuine advice. He has also been > > genuinely difficult to help. > > Yes. If he is too difficult to help without getting > angry because he won't do what you (generic) tell him > then perhaps a more constructive response is to stop > trying to help him rather than join the lynch mob that > is making the atmosphere here far worse (IMO) than > Nikos alone could. I absolutely agree with this. --Ned.
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| From | Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> |
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| Date | 2013-11-12 18:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2500.1384297587.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #59183 |
Op 12-11-13 12:23, Ned Batchelder schreef: > On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:31:32 AM UTC-5, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: >> On 11/11/2013 06:16 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: >>> Nikos has received a good deal of genuine advice. He has also been >>> genuinely difficult to help. >> >> Yes. If he is too difficult to help without getting >> angry because he won't do what you (generic) tell him >> then perhaps a more constructive response is to stop >> trying to help him rather than join the lynch mob that >> is making the atmosphere here far worse (IMO) than >> Nikos alone could. > > I absolutely agree with this. This ignores the contribution of the spoon feeders. The frustration originates with seeing Nikos ignoring helpful advices and repeating the same question. So stop trying to help, doesn't deminish the frustration in a significant way as long as the spoon feeders continue to motivate Nikos in this kind of behaviour. As long as the spoon feeders are allowed to contribute to the frustration of other group members, you will have people who feel they are justified in venting their frustration in the news group. And only taking the venters to task while ignoring the spoon feeders will mostly result in not be taken serious and will produce rather bad will than good will to your goal. -- Antoon Pardon
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2013-11-12 23:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2506.1384298763.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #59183 |
On 12/11/2013 17:22, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 12-11-13 12:23, Ned Batchelder schreef: >> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:31:32 AM UTC-5, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: >>> On 11/11/2013 06:16 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: >>>> Nikos has received a good deal of genuine advice. He has also been >>>> genuinely difficult to help. >>> >>> Yes. If he is too difficult to help without getting >>> angry because he won't do what you (generic) tell him >>> then perhaps a more constructive response is to stop >>> trying to help him rather than join the lynch mob that >>> is making the atmosphere here far worse (IMO) than >>> Nikos alone could. >> >> I absolutely agree with this. > > This ignores the contribution of the spoon feeders. The frustration > originates with seeing Nikos ignoring helpful advices and repeating > the same question. So stop trying to help, doesn't deminish the > frustration in a significant way as long as the spoon feeders continue > to motivate Nikos in this kind of behaviour. > > As long as the spoon feeders are allowed to contribute to the frustration > of other group members, you will have people who feel they are justified > in venting their frustration in the news group. And only taking the > venters to task while ignoring the spoon feeders will mostly result in > not be taken serious and will produce rather bad will than good will to > your goal. > I'm 100% behind you with this. Sadly the message just doesn't seem to get across so I suggest that we talk to brick walls, at least we'll not expect a response of any kind. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence
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| From | Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-12 06:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2460.1384261431.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #59157 |
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote: > So you are complaining about people being human. Yes that is > how people tend to react when they continualy are frustrated > by someone who refuses to show the slightest cooperation. > So no rejecting such responses, particullarly by the person > who caused them is not right. It is defelecting the blame from > the primal cause. As you say you're a human, not a sheep, so stop pointing at the behavior of others to justify your own. "But he started it" wasn't an excuse in kindergarten, and it still isn't one now. Somebody has to accept the responsibility to walk away and break the positive feedback loop, or it will never end. And I can't see Nikos being the one to do that. > That is correct but is expecting too much from people in general. > Expecting from frustrated people to act rational and constructive > is just a recipe for your own frustrations. In my experience, conduct follows from self esteem and self worth, and those things follow in turn from the respect and expectations of others. If I expect others to act like animals, then I disrespect them, and so why should they behave any differently toward me or in my presence? By expecting others to be rational and mature I show my respect for them, and so perhaps they will see fit to behave in a way to maintain that respect.
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| From | Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> |
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| Date | 2013-11-12 17:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2479.1384273764.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #59157 |
Op 12-11-13 14:02, Ian Kelly schreef: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Antoon Pardon > <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote: >> So you are complaining about people being human. Yes that is >> how people tend to react when they continualy are frustrated >> by someone who refuses to show the slightest cooperation. >> So no rejecting such responses, particullarly by the person >> who caused them is not right. It is defelecting the blame from >> the primal cause. > > As you say you're a human, not a sheep, so stop pointing at the > behavior of others to justify your own. No, because often enough what is justifiable and what is not depends on the context and what happened before. Morals are generally not absolute so that a particular action would be either right or wrong no matter what the circumstances. > "But he started it" wasn't an > excuse in kindergarten, and it still isn't one now. Then that kindergarten teacher was lousy at her job and would probably let the bullies maninupulate her in punishing their victems. That is what you get if you unconditionally tell people that "he started it" can't be an excuse. > Somebody has to > accept the responsibility to walk away and break the positive feedback > loop, or it will never end. And I can't see Nikos being the one to do > that. Not my problem. Why do you come to me? I didn't contribute to this thread for about two days. That is two days of various contributors that didn't accept their responsibility and whom you left alone. If it wasn't a problem then that the positive feedback loop was maintained, then why is it a problem now? I'll start taking you seriously when I see you tackling the specific behaviour in a consistent manner instead of you tackling specific contributors. If you leave a thread alone for four days while various contributors maintain a positive feedback loop then you are implicitly saying that such behaviour is not a big problem. So don't come complaining now. >> That is correct but is expecting too much from people in general. >> Expecting from frustrated people to act rational and constructive >> is just a recipe for your own frustrations. > > In my experience, conduct follows from self esteem and self worth, and > those things follow in turn from the respect and expectations of > others. If I expect others to act like animals, then I disrespect > them, and so why should they behave any differently toward me or in my > presence? You are confusing realistic expectations with moralistic expeactations. In some circumstances it is realistic to expect people to behave like animals. You may see that as a sign of disrespect but that is because you assigned it a moral judgement. > By expecting others to be rational and mature I show my > respect for them, and so perhaps they will see fit to behave in a way > to maintain that respect. No you are not showing respect that way. You are more likely unable to empathise with the frustrations those people experience and are feeling smug because you can handle it in such a "rational and mature" way. -- Antoon Pardon
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2013-11-13 00:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5282ca9f$0$30003$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #59218 |
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:27:08 +0100, Antoon Pardon wrote: >> Somebody has to >> accept the responsibility to walk away and break the positive feedback >> loop, or it will never end. And I can't see Nikos being the one to do >> that. > > Not my problem. It might not be a problem for you, since you are obviously getting far more pleasure out of arguing with others then you do about discussing Python. But you are a problem for the rest of us. > Why do you come to me? I didn't contribute to this > thread for about two days. And now you are keeping it alive, just because "they started it". Antoon, I don't remember the last time I've seen you contribute anything productive to a Python thread. Chris and Mark have a regrettable tendency to tease or bait Nikos, or at least run off on tangents mocking him, but they at least are also productive members of the community who contribute to discussing Python and helping solve Python problems. You don't, not as far as I can see. Since you are now in my opinion almost as big a problem here as Nikos, I'm adding you back to my kill-file. See you in six months. -- Steven
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| From | Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> |
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| Date | 2013-11-13 09:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2529.1384330097.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #59268 |
Op 13-11-13 01:41, Steven D'Aprano schreef: > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:27:08 +0100, Antoon Pardon wrote: > >>> Somebody has to >>> accept the responsibility to walk away and break the positive feedback >>> loop, or it will never end. And I can't see Nikos being the one to do >>> that. >> >> Not my problem. > > It might not be a problem for you, since you are obviously getting far > more pleasure out of arguing with others then you do about discussing > Python. But you are a problem for the rest of us. So? Spoon feeders and others who seem unwilling or unable to ignore Nikos's cravings for attention are a problem for me and others who get frustrated by it. I don't see much people care about that. So why should I care about other people's problem? I always get requests to care about the problem of others but I don't see much consideration for the problems I and those like me experience. >> Why do you come to me? I didn't contribute to this >> thread for about two days. > > And now you are keeping it alive, just because "they started it". So? if it was all right for others to blow life into this thread, then why is it wrong if I would keep it alive? And for your information, IMO I'm not keeping it alive for now. At this moment all those who are eager to argue me into behaving as they would prefer seem more responsible for keeping it alive than me. > Antoon, I don't remember the last time I've seen you contribute anything > productive to a Python thread. I'm not responsible for your memory Steven. > Chris and Mark have a regrettable tendency > to tease or bait Nikos, or at least run off on tangents mocking him, but > they at least are also productive members of the community who contribute > to discussing Python and helping solve Python problems. You don't, not as > far as I can see. Since you are now in my opinion almost as big a problem > here as Nikos, I'm adding you back to my kill-file. That is your perogative. -- Antoon Pardon
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| From | Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-13 23:46 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <l60s0i$j35$3@news.grnet.gr> |
| In reply to | #59218 |
root@secure:~/lib64# ls -al | grep libkey lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1 -> libkeyutils.so.1.3.0* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10192 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 32920 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3.0* root@secure:~/lib64# rpm -qf libkeyutils.so.1.3.0 file /lib64/libkeyutils.so.1.3.0 is not owned by any package ================================ It appears that my server has been compromised with a malicious payload designed to sniff for and steal server passwords. This must have happened when i was handling my root passwords out in the open. Served me well.
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| From | Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-13 13:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <70428667-9f8c-4cf7-9579-46d4813a2deb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #59341 |
On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:46:59 PM UTC-5, Ferrous Cranus wrote: > root@secure:~/lib64# ls -al | grep libkey > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1 -> > libkeyutils.so.1.3.0* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10192 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 32920 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3.0* > > root@secure:~/lib64# rpm -qf libkeyutils.so.1.3.0 > file /lib64/libkeyutils.so.1.3.0 is not owned by any package > > ================================ > > It appears that my server has been compromised with a malicious payload > designed to sniff for and steal server passwords. > > This must have happened when i was handling my root passwords out in the > open. > > Served me well. This has nothing to do with the topic of this mailing list. Please don't post it here. --Ned.
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| From | Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-14 12:46 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <l629m4$sr8$2@news.grnet.gr> |
| In reply to | #59341 |
Στις 13/11/2013 11:46 μμ, ο/η Ferrous Cranus έγραψε: > root@secure:~/lib64# ls -al | grep libkey > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1 -> > libkeyutils.so.1.3.0* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10192 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 32920 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3.0* > > root@secure:~/lib64# rpm -qf libkeyutils.so.1.3.0 > file /lib64/libkeyutils.so.1.3.0 is not owned by any package > > ================================ > > It appears that my server has been compromised with a malicious payload > designed to sniff for and steal server passwords. > > This must have happened when i was handling my root passwords out in the > open. > > Served me well. Can somebody explain to me why there is so many failed attempts to login into my linux server under various user accounts? http://i.imgur.com/5PaZAWu.png I mean is this some normal background radiation of the Internet or is something directed to me? Does this happen on your servers at this extend too?
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| From | Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-14 12:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Zp3hu.44615$8G6.26395@fx22.am4> |
| In reply to | #59423 |
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:46:29 +0200, Ferrous Cranus wrote: >> This must have happened when i was handling my root passwords out in >> the open. >> >> Served me well. > At least you seem to be learning this lesson > > > Can somebody explain to me why there is so many failed attempts to login > into my linux server under various user accounts? > > http://i.imgur.com/5PaZAWu.png > > I mean is this some normal background radiation of the Internet or is > something directed to me? > > Does this happen on your servers at this extend too? any open ports on the internet are likely to attract attention of the 'Black Hats' this is why you have been advised to check your firewall settings you should only expose the ports that are absolutely necessary for a web server these would be 80 & 443 currently you have many other services also open that probably should not be. if you check the logs for those services you will probably find even more login attempts (I hope they have failed) -- Paranoid schizophrenics outnumber their enemies at least two to one.
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| From | Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-14 15:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <l62iuf$sr8$3@news.grnet.gr> |
| In reply to | #59424 |
Στις 14/11/2013 2:32 μμ, ο/η Alister έγραψε: > On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:46:29 +0200, Ferrous Cranus wrote: >>> This must have happened when i was handling my root passwords out in >>> the open. >>> >>> Served me well. >> > At least you seem to be learning this lesson >> >> >> Can somebody explain to me why there is so many failed attempts to login >> into my linux server under various user accounts? >> >> http://i.imgur.com/5PaZAWu.png >> >> I mean is this some normal background radiation of the Internet or is >> something directed to me? >> >> Does this happen on your servers at this extend too? > > any open ports on the internet are likely to attract attention of the > 'Black Hats' > this is why you have been advised to check your firewall settings > you should only expose the ports that are absolutely necessary > > for a web server these would be 80 & 443 > > currently you have many other services also open that probably should not > be. > if you check the logs for those services you will probably find even more > login attempts (I hope they have failed) Yes i have more ports open as 'nmap' reports but don't forget that i'm running cPanel for my customers, hence more ports need to be opened for cPanel and WHM use, let alone mail and sshd. But the response wasn't clear to me. Ia this randomly normal background Internet radiation or some personal directed attacks?
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