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| Started by | andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2012-10-18 14:14 +0100 |
| Last post | 2012-10-18 14:58 +0100 |
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locking files on Linux andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 14:14 +0100
Re: locking files on Linux Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-18 13:27 +0000
Re: locking files on Linux andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 14:44 +0100
Re: locking files on Linux Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-18 13:57 +0000
Re: locking files on Linux andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 15:49 +0100
Re: locking files on Linux Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 16:04 +0100
Re: locking files on Linux andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 16:08 +0100
Re: locking files on Linux Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 16:31 +0100
Re: locking files on Linux andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 13:15 +0100
Re: locking files on Linux Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-10-19 15:36 +0100
Re: locking files on Linux Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 14:58 +0100
| From | andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-18 14:14 +0100 |
| Subject | locking files on Linux |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2430.1350566044.27098.python-list@python.org> |
I'm trying to understand how I can lock a file while writing on it,
because I might have multiple processes working on it at the same time.
I found the fcntl.lockf function but if I do this:
In [109]: locked = open('locked.txt', 'w')
In [110]: fcntl.lockf(locked, fcntl.LOCK_EX)
I can happily open the file with vim from somewhere and write on it, so
it doesn't seem to be very useful, or am I missing something?
I can otherwise use the classic ".lock" file when working on it, but I
would be glad to see a smarter solution (should only work on Linux)..
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| From | Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-10-18 13:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k5p03u$3t8$2@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #31633 |
On 2012-10-18, andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to understand how I can lock a file while writing on it,
> because I might have multiple processes working on it at the same time.
>
> I found the fcntl.lockf function but if I do this:
>
> In [109]: locked = open('locked.txt', 'w')
>
> In [110]: fcntl.lockf(locked, fcntl.LOCK_EX)
>
> I can happily open the file with vim from somewhere and write on it, so
> it doesn't seem to be very useful, or am I missing something?
File locks under Unix have historically been "advisory". That means
that programs have to _choose_ to pay attention to them. Most
programs do not.
Linux does support mandatory locking, but it's rarely used and must be
manually enabled at the filesystem level. It's probably worth noting
that in the Linux kernel docs, the document on mandatory file locking
begins with a section titled "Why you should avoid mandatory locking".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_locking#In_Unix-like_systems
http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/locks.txt
http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/mandatory-locking.txt
http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/04/linux-file-locking-types/
http://www.hackinglinuxexposed.com/articles/20030623.html
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at twin NECTARINES above
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| From | andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-18 14:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2431.1350567869.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #31635 |
2012/10/18 Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>: > On 2012-10-18, andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote: > > > File locks under Unix have historically been "advisory". That means > that programs have to _choose_ to pay attention to them. Most > programs do not. > > Linux does support mandatory locking, but it's rarely used and must be > manually enabled at the filesystem level. It's probably worth noting > that in the Linux kernel docs, the document on mandatory file locking > begins with a section titled "Why you should avoid mandatory locking". > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_locking#In_Unix-like_systems > http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/locks.txt > http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/mandatory-locking.txt > http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/04/linux-file-locking-types/ > http://www.hackinglinuxexposed.com/articles/20030623.html > > -- > Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! Your CHEEKS sit like > at twin NECTARINES above > gmail.com a MOUTH that knows no > BOUNDS -- > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Uhh I see thanks, I guess I'll use the good-old .lock file (even if it might have some problems too). Anyway I'm only afraid that my same application could modify the files, so maybe I can instruct it to check if the file is locked. Or maybe using sqlite would work even if writing from different processes? I would prefer to keep something human readable as INI-format though, rather then a sqlite file.. Thanks
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| From | Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-10-18 13:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k5p1rg$et4$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #31636 |
On 2012-10-18, andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2012/10/18 Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>:
>> On 2012-10-18, andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> File locks under Unix have historically been "advisory". That means
>> that programs have to _choose_ to pay attention to them. Most
>> programs do not.
>>
>> Linux does support mandatory locking, but it's rarely used and must be
>> manually enabled at the filesystem level. It's probably worth noting
>> that in the Linux kernel docs, the document on mandatory file locking
>> begins with a section titled "Why you should avoid mandatory locking".
>
> Uhh I see thanks, I guess I'll use the good-old .lock file (even if
> it might have some problems too).
>
> Anyway I'm only afraid that my same application could modify the
> files, so maybe I can instruct it to check if the file is locked.
If what you're guarding against is multiple instances of your
application modifying the file, then either of the advisory file
locking schemes or the separate lock file should work fine.
--
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at been VIEWING a RUSSIAN
gmail.com MIDGET SODOMIZE a HOUSECAT!
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| From | andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-18 15:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2440.1350571745.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #31637 |
2012/10/18 Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>:
>
> If what you're guarding against is multiple instances of your
> application modifying the file, then either of the advisory file
> locking schemes or the separate lock file should work fine.
>
> --
> Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! All this time I've
> at been VIEWING a RUSSIAN
> gmail.com MIDGET SODOMIZE a HOUSECAT!
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Ok so I tried a small example to see if I can make it fail, but this
below just works perfectly fine.
Maybe it's too fast and it release the file in time, but I would
expect it to take some time and fail instead..
import fcntl
from multiprocessing import Process
FILENAME = 'file.txt'
def long_text():
return ('some text' * (100 * 100))
class Locked:
def __init__(self, fileobj):
self.fileobj = fileobj
def __enter__(self):
# any problems here?
fcntl.lockf(self.fileobj, fcntl.LOCK_EX)
return self.fileobj
def __exit__(self, type, value, traceback):
fcntl.lockf(self.fileobj, fcntl.LOCK_UN)
def write_to_file():
with open(FILENAME, 'w') as to_lock:
with Locked(to_lock):
to_lock.write(long_text())
if __name__ == '__main__':
Process(target=write_to_file).start()
Process(target=write_to_file).start()
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| From | Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-18 16:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2443.1350572684.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #31637 |
On 18 October 2012 15:49, andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2012/10/18 Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>:
>>
>> If what you're guarding against is multiple instances of your
>> application modifying the file, then either of the advisory file
>> locking schemes or the separate lock file should work fine.
>
> Ok so I tried a small example to see if I can make it fail, but this
> below just works perfectly fine.
>
> Maybe it's too fast and it release the file in time, but I would
> expect it to take some time and fail instead..
Why not come up with a test that actually shows you if it works? Here
are two suggestions:
1) Use time.sleep() so that you know how long the lock is held for.
2) Write different data into the file from each process and see what
you end up with.
>
> import fcntl
>
> from multiprocessing import Process
>
> FILENAME = 'file.txt'
>
>
> def long_text():
> return ('some text' * (100 * 100))
>
>
> class Locked:
> def __init__(self, fileobj):
> self.fileobj = fileobj
>
> def __enter__(self):
> # any problems here?
> fcntl.lockf(self.fileobj, fcntl.LOCK_EX)
> return self.fileobj
>
> def __exit__(self, type, value, traceback):
> fcntl.lockf(self.fileobj, fcntl.LOCK_UN)
>
>
> def write_to_file():
> with open(FILENAME, 'w') as to_lock:
I don't think it will work if you truncate the file like this. This
will empty the file *before* checking for the lock. Try opening the
file for reading and writing (without truncating).
> with Locked(to_lock):
> to_lock.write(long_text())
>
>
> if __name__ == '__main__':
> Process(target=write_to_file).start()
> Process(target=write_to_file).start()
Oscar
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| From | andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-18 16:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2444.1350572891.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #31637 |
2012/10/18 Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com>: > > Why not come up with a test that actually shows you if it works? Here > are two suggestions: > > 1) Use time.sleep() so that you know how long the lock is held for. > 2) Write different data into the file from each process and see what > you end up with. > Ok thanks I will try, but I thought that what I did was the worst possible case, because I'm opening and writing on the same file from two different processes, locking the file with LOCK_EX. It should not open it at all as far as I understood...
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| From | Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-18 16:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2447.1350574309.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #31637 |
On 18 October 2012 16:08, andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote: > 2012/10/18 Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com>: >> >> Why not come up with a test that actually shows you if it works? Here >> are two suggestions: >> >> 1) Use time.sleep() so that you know how long the lock is held for. >> 2) Write different data into the file from each process and see what >> you end up with. >> > > > Ok thanks I will try, but I thought that what I did was the worst > possible case, because I'm opening and writing on the same file from > two different processes, locking the file with LOCK_EX. > > It should not open it at all as far as I understood... I don't think you have understood. Read the link that Grant posted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_locking#In_Unix-like_systems And my other comment: >> def write_to_file(): >> with open(FILENAME, 'w') as to_lock: > > I don't think it will work if you truncate the file like this. This > will empty the file *before* checking for the lock. Try opening the > file for reading and writing (without truncating). The lock is cooperative. It does not prevent the file from being opened or overwritten. It only prevents any other process from obtaining the lock. Here you open the file with mode 'w' which truncates the file instantly (without checking for the lock). Oscar
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| From | andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-19 13:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2505.1350648928.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #31637 |
2012/10/18 Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com>: > > The lock is cooperative. It does not prevent the file from being > opened or overwritten. It only prevents any other process from > obtaining the lock. Here you open the file with mode 'w' which > truncates the file instantly (without checking for the lock). > > > Oscar Very good thanks now I understood, actually my problem was in the assumption that it should fail when the lock is already taken, but by default lockf just blocks until the lock is released. It seems to work quite nicely so I'm going to use this..
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| From | Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-19 15:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <pan.2012.10.19.14.36.38.826000@nowhere.com> |
| In reply to | #31636 |
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:44:27 +0100, andrea crotti wrote: > Uhh I see thanks, I guess I'll use the good-old .lock file (even if it > might have some problems too). In which case, you don't see. A lock file is also advisory, i.e. it only affects applications which explicitly check for a lock file. Historically, the advantage of lock files was that they worked on NFS implementations which didn't implement locking (it's a long-standing Unix joke that "NFS" stands for "Not a FileSystem", because it failed to conform to established filesystem semantics). Nowadays, NFS implementations which don't support locking are sufficiently rare that they can safely be ignored. So lock files don't offer any advantages, and one fairly obvious disadvantage (the possibility of a "stale" lock file if the program terminates unexpectedly without removing the lock file). For any form of advisory locking, the one thing which matters is that all progams which access the file agree on the mechanism used, i.e. whether to use lockf(), fcntl(), flock() (locks created by one mechanism may or may not be recognised by the others), or lock files, and in the case of lock files, the naming convention which is used. If the file is specific to a particular program, and you just need to protect against multiple instances of that program, you can use whichever mechanism you wish, and would be strongly advised to use kernel locks (fcntl() is the most portable, followed by lockf(); flock() is a BSD-ism).
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| From | Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-18 14:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.2432.1350568730.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #31635 |
On 18 October 2012 14:44, andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote: > 2012/10/18 Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>: >> On 2012-10-18, andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> File locks under Unix have historically been "advisory". That means >> that programs have to _choose_ to pay attention to them. Most >> programs do not. >> >> Linux does support mandatory locking, but it's rarely used and must be >> manually enabled at the filesystem level. It's probably worth noting >> that in the Linux kernel docs, the document on mandatory file locking >> begins with a section titled "Why you should avoid mandatory locking". >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_locking#In_Unix-like_systems >> http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/locks.txt >> http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/mandatory-locking.txt >> http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/04/linux-file-locking-types/ >> http://www.hackinglinuxexposed.com/articles/20030623.html >> >> -- >> Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! Your CHEEKS sit like >> at twin NECTARINES above >> gmail.com a MOUTH that knows no >> BOUNDS -- >> -- >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > > Uhh I see thanks, I guess I'll use the good-old .lock file (even if it > might have some problems too). I think you've misunderstood what Grant meant. > > Anyway I'm only afraid that my same application could modify the > files, so maybe I can instruct it to check if the file is locked. In that case fcntl will work for you. The point is that fcntl only locks the file if all of the applications accessing the file use fcntl. Any other application such as vim can simply ignore the fcntl lock. Have a read of the links that Grant posted. Did you try writing twice from the same application that uses fcntl? > Or maybe using sqlite would work even if writing from different > processes? That would also work. Oscar
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