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| Started by | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| First post | 2016-05-17 17:50 +1000 |
| Last post | 2016-05-18 17:59 -0700 |
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Quote of the day Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2016-05-17 17:50 +1000
Re: Quote of the day Radek Holý <Radek1@holych.org> - 2016-05-17 10:12 +0200
Re: Quote of the day Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-05-17 11:30 +0300
Re: Quote of the day Sivan Greenberg <sivan@vitakka.co> - 2016-05-17 11:53 +0300
Re: Quote of the day Paul Rudin <paul.nospam@rudin.co.uk> - 2016-05-17 10:54 +0100
Re: Quote of the day Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 20:48 +1000
Re: Quote of the day Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-05-17 15:21 +0300
Re: Quote of the day wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2016-05-17 06:15 -0700
Re: Quote of the day wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2016-05-18 23:50 -0700
Re: Quote of the day Paul Rudin <paul.nospam@rudin.co.uk> - 2016-05-17 15:27 +0100
Re: Quote of the day Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 13:42 -0600
Re: Quote of the day Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-05-17 23:21 +0300
Re: Quote of the day Cem Karan <cfkaran2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-17 06:39 -0400
Re: Quote of the day Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2016-05-18 14:05 +0200
Re: Quote of the day Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 22:32 +1000
Re: Quote of the day Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2016-05-18 08:21 -0700
Re: Quote of the day Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2016-05-18 17:35 +0200
Re: Quote of the day Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2016-05-18 08:47 -0700
Re: Quote of the day Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-05-18 09:05 -0700
Re: Quote of the day Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-05-19 02:50 +1000
Re: Quote of the day Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-05-19 10:52 +1200
Re: Quote of the day Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-05-18 16:30 -0700
Re: Quote of the day Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-05-19 10:43 +1000
Re: Quote of the day Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-05-18 17:59 -0700
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| From | Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> |
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| Date | 2016-05-19 10:52 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <dq4a0pFh8chU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #108763 |
Ned Batchelder wrote: > I'm not sure how > the test runner could determine that it was empty. I guess it could > introspect the test function to see if it had any real code in it, Then people would just get clever at putting dummy code in the test that fools the test runner but doesn't really test anything... -- Greg
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| From | Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> |
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| Date | 2016-05-18 16:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.23.1463614234.27390.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #108789 |
On 05/18/2016 03:52 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Ned Batchelder wrote: >> I'm not sure how >> the test runner could determine that it was empty. I guess it could >> introspect the test function to see if it had any real code in it, > > Then people would just get clever at putting dummy code > in the test that fools the test runner but doesn't really > test anything... Some would have, sure. Either way, it's a solved issue now because we (finally ;) have the @skip decorator. -- ~Ethan~
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2016-05-19 10:43 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <573d0c48$0$1595$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #108791 |
On Thu, 19 May 2016 09:30 am, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 05/18/2016 03:52 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote: >> Ned Batchelder wrote: > >>> I'm not sure how >>> the test runner could determine that it was empty. I guess it could >>> introspect the test function to see if it had any real code in it, >> >> Then people would just get clever at putting dummy code >> in the test that fools the test runner but doesn't really >> test anything... > > Some would have, sure. > > Either way, it's a solved issue now because we (finally ;) have the > @skip decorator. That only solves the problem for responsible, decent developers. But I guarantee you that, right now, as we speak, there is some poor schmuck out there whose Pointy Haired Boss has given him a Key Performance Indicator of X tests passing (not failing or skipped) per week, and he's responding by writing tests which pass by not testing anything. -- Steven
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| From | Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> |
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| Date | 2016-05-18 17:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.25.1463619571.27390.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #108794 |
On 05/18/2016 05:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 19 May 2016 09:30 am, Ethan Furman wrote: > >> On 05/18/2016 03:52 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote: >>> Ned Batchelder wrote: >> >>>> I'm not sure how >>>> the test runner could determine that it was empty. I guess it could >>>> introspect the test function to see if it had any real code in it, >>> >>> Then people would just get clever at putting dummy code >>> in the test that fools the test runner but doesn't really >>> test anything... >> >> Some would have, sure. >> >> Either way, it's a solved issue now because we (finally ;) have the >> @skip decorator. > > That only solves the problem for responsible, decent developers. Since I'm not a manager (and when I was, I wasn't the PHB type), responsible, decent developers are where I focus my attention. -- ~Ethan~
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