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  ANN: dbf.py 0.94 Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-07-20 16:59 -0700
    Re: ANN: dbf.py 0.94 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-21 00:50 +0000
      Re: ANN: dbf.py 0.94 Temia Eszteri <lamialily@cleverpun.com> - 2012-07-20 19:56 -0700
        Re: ANN: dbf.py 0.94 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-21 13:02 +1000
          Re: ANN: dbf.py 0.94 Temia Eszteri <lamialily@cleverpun.com> - 2012-07-20 20:33 -0700
        Re: ANN: dbf.py 0.94 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-21 03:34 +0000
          Re: ANN: dbf.py 0.94 Temia Eszteri <lamialily@cleverpun.com> - 2012-07-20 20:38 -0700
          Re: ANN: dbf.py 0.94 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-21 13:43 +1000
          Re: ANN: dbf.py 0.94 Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-07-21 00:58 -0700
      Re: ANN: dbf.py 0.94 Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-07-20 20:26 -0700
        Re: ANN: dbf.py 0.94 Matej Cepl <mcepl@redhat.com> - 2012-07-21 20:33 +0200

#25706 — ANN: dbf.py 0.94

Getting closer to a stable release.

Latest version has a simpler, cleaner API, and works on PyPy (and 
hopefully the other implementations as well ;), as well as CPython.

Get your copy at http://python.org/pypi/dbf.

Bug reports, comments, and kudos welcome!  ;)

~Ethan~

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#25709

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:59:21 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote:

> Getting closer to a stable release.

Excellent! That's fantastic news! I've been waiting for a stable release 
of dbf for months! I just have one question.

What is dbf?


> Latest version has a simpler, cleaner API, and works on PyPy (and
> hopefully the other implementations as well ;), as well as CPython.
> 
> Get your copy at http://python.org/pypi/dbf.

I don't generally click on arbitrary links to find out whether or not the 
link is something that interests me enough to click on it.



-- 
Steven

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#25712

On 21 Jul 2012 00:50:13 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:

>> Latest version has a simpler, cleaner API, and works on PyPy (and
>> hopefully the other implementations as well ;), as well as CPython.
>> 
>> Get your copy at http://python.org/pypi/dbf.
>
>I don't generally click on arbitrary links to find out whether or not the 
>link is something that interests me enough to click on it.

Can't really call a cheese shop link arbitrary. It's in the best place
it could be for providing info about the package.

~Temia
-- 
Invective! Verb your expletive nouns!

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#25713

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Temia Eszteri <lamialily@cleverpun.com> wrote:
> On 21 Jul 2012 00:50:13 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
> <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>
>>> Latest version has a simpler, cleaner API, and works on PyPy (and
>>> hopefully the other implementations as well ;), as well as CPython.
>>>
>>> Get your copy at http://python.org/pypi/dbf.
>>
>>I don't generally click on arbitrary links to find out whether or not the
>>link is something that interests me enough to click on it.
>
> Can't really call a cheese shop link arbitrary. It's in the best place
> it could be for providing info about the package.

True, but Steven's point still stands, that announcements of this
nature are far more readable when they open with a one-sentence
statement of what the package _is_.

ChrisA

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#25717

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:02:55 +1000, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Temia Eszteri <lamialily@cleverpun.com> wrote:
>> On 21 Jul 2012 00:50:13 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
>> <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>>
>>>> Latest version has a simpler, cleaner API, and works on PyPy (and
>>>> hopefully the other implementations as well ;), as well as CPython.
>>>>
>>>> Get your copy at http://python.org/pypi/dbf.
>>>
>>>I don't generally click on arbitrary links to find out whether or not the
>>>link is something that interests me enough to click on it.
>>
>> Can't really call a cheese shop link arbitrary. It's in the best place
>> it could be for providing info about the package.
>
>True, but Steven's point still stands, that announcements of this
>nature are far more readable when they open with a one-sentence
>statement of what the package _is_.
>
>ChrisA

If I wanted to counter his whole point, I would've quoted his whole
post. ;P Yes, the post to the newsgroup is rather oblique, but the
cheese shop is hardly arbitrary.

~Temia
-- 
Invective! Verb your expletive nouns!

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#25716

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:56:59 -0700, Temia Eszteri wrote:

>>I don't generally click on arbitrary links to find out whether or not
>>the link is something that interests me enough to click on it.
> 
> Can't really call a cheese shop link arbitrary. It's in the best place
> it could be for providing info about the package.

You've missed the point. Why should I bother to click on it at all, PyPI 
or not, if I'm going to find it is a library for something I don't care 
about? If the developer of the library doesn't write a few words to tell 
people what his library does when making an announcement, or what 
improvements there are from the previous release, he's going to struggle 
to attract even those users who *would* be interested, if only they knew 
about it.

This mailing list is about helping our fellow Python developers improve 
their skills and solve problems. That doesn't just mean *coding* 
problems, it also means helping them to write better documentation and 
promote their software better.

For every person like me who takes the time out to gently remind the 
developer that we aren't mind-readers and don't know WTF he's talking 
about, there are a thousand who just move on, and he's just lost 99% of his 
potential user-base. Since he's taken the time out to make a public 
announcement, I assume he would like people to use his software. If not, 
why bother making the announcement at all?

Unless the software is so well-known that everybody knows what it is, 
failure to mention what the software does gives the impression that: 

1) the software is so niche, or so ill-thought out, that the developer 
*can't* describe it succinctly;

2) the developer has such poor communication skills that trying to get 
support will be a nightmare;

3) that he just doesn't give a monkey's toss for anyone else's time

or all three. Ethan is a good, helpful member of this community, and
so I'm pretty sure that neither 2) nor 3) are true, but others may get
the wrong impression.

Here are a few randomly selected examples of good release announcements:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2012-June/009528.html

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2012-June/009509.html

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2012-June/009524.html



-- 
Steven

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#25720

On 21 Jul 2012 03:34:44 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:

>tl;dr

Easy there, tiger. No need to get riled up over a single nitpick over
phrasing.

~Temia
-- 
Invective! Verb your expletive nouns!

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#25722

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> Unless the software is so well-known that everybody knows what it is...

I've yet to meet ANY piece of software that's like that. Even with
releases of CPython (arguably the primary point of this list) it
wouldn't hurt to give an explanation, and certainly with other
Pythons, it'd help a lot (PyPy and Jython are probably guessable, but
I wouldn't bet on anyone knowing what "IronPython" is without a
summary).

> Here are a few randomly selected examples of good release announcements:
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2012-June/009528.html
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2012-June/009509.html
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2012-June/009524.html

Agreed, those are worth imitating.

ChrisA

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#25727

Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> This mailing list is about helping our fellow Python developers improve 
> their skills and solve problems. That doesn't just mean *coding* 
> problems, it also means helping them to write better documentation and 
> promote their software better.

Indeed it is, and your reminder is appreciated.  Hopefully my 
followup-post was more explanatory.


> Unless the software is so well-known that everybody knows what it is, 
> failure to mention what the software does gives the impression that: 
> 
> 1) the software is so niche, or so ill-thought out, that the developer 
> *can't* describe it succinctly;

Nah -- just the end of a long week, needed to go get my daughter, and 
wanted it out there for those few who actually need the bug fixes (which 
I neglected to mention).

> 2) the developer has such poor communication skills that trying to get 
> support will be a nightmare;

My support is pretty good.  :)


> 3) that he just doesn't give a monkey's toss for anyone else's time

See point one.

> or all three. Ethan is a good, helpful member of this community, and
> so I'm pretty sure that neither 2) nor 3) are true, but others may get
> the wrong impression.

Thank you.  The project is kinda niche, but very useful if you happen to 
be in that niche.


> Here are a few randomly selected examples of good release announcements:
> 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2012-June/009528.html
> 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2012-June/009509.html
> 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2012-June/009524.html

Those are good.  My announcement will be better next time.

~Ethan~

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#25719

Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:59:21 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote:
> 
>> Getting closer to a stable release.
> 
> Excellent! That's fantastic news! I've been waiting for a stable release 
> of dbf for months! I just have one question.
> 
> What is dbf?

:)

dbf (also known as python dbase) is a module for reading/writing
dBase III, FP, VFP, and soon Clipper, .dbf database files.  It's
an ancient format that still finds lots of use.

It even reads and writes memo fields -- something which none of the 
other modules do (which is why I wrote this one -- I needed that! ;).

It supports unicode, and returns all fields as native Python types:

   Character --> unicode
   Date      --> datetime.date
   Logical   --> bool/None
   Memo      --> unicode
   Numeric   --> int/float depending on field definition

If a field is uninitialized (Date, Logical, Numeric) then None is 
returned for the value.

Tables are accessible as lists; Records are accessible as lists, dicts, 
and objects ( attribute access ).

Enjoy your weekend!

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#25760

On 21/07/12 05:26, Ethan Furman wrote:
> dbf (also known as python dbase) is a module for reading/writing
> dBase III, FP, VFP, and soon Clipper, .dbf database files. It's
> an ancient format that still finds lots of use.

Other than the caring for the ancient legacy data, it is still widely 
used in GIS, because shapefiles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapefile) 
are based on it.

Matěj

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