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To whoever hacked into my Database

Started byΝίκος Γκρ33κ <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
First post2013-11-06 17:25 +0200
Last post2013-11-16 10:40 +0000
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  To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Γκρ33κ <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 17:25 +0200
    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 10:34 -0500
      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 21:20 +0000
        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 14:39 -0700
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 11:32 +1000
            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:15 +0000
              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 11:34 +0200
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 20:52 +1100
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:52 +0000
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 12:00 +0200
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Maarten <maarten.sneep@knmi.nl> - 2013-11-08 03:08 -0800
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 00:12 +1100
                      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 15:48 +0200
                        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-08 14:55 +0100
                        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 12:05 -0500
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 13:30 +0000
                      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 15:57 +0200
                        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 14:09 +0000
                        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-08 15:44 +0100
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 10:00 +0000
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 21:09 +1100
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 13:40 +0000
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 14:02 +0000
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 17:15 +0200
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 16:06 +0000
                      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 18:28 +0200
                        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database unknown <unknown@unknown.com> - 2013-11-08 16:48 +0000
                          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 18:57 +0200
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database unknown <unknown@unknown.com> - 2013-11-08 17:01 +0000
                              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 19:09 +0200
                                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 12:16 -0500
                                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ned Deily <nad@acm.org> - 2013-11-08 09:26 -0800
                                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-08 20:30 +0100
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database unknown <unknown@unknown.com> - 2013-11-08 16:10 +0000
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-08 16:46 +0100
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database aurelien@xload.io (Aurélien DESBRIÈRES) - 2013-11-08 14:56 +0100
        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 16:45 -0500
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 00:18 +0200
            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 09:45 +1100
            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 09:46 +1100
              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 00:56 +0200
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 10:04 +1100
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 01:10 +0200
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-07 23:18 +0000
                      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 01:28 +0200
                        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 10:32 +1100
                          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2013-11-08 00:42 -0800
                        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 18:19 +0000
                          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 21:18 +0200
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:12 +0000
        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 01:10 +0000
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 18:22 +0000
        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:06 +0000
    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-06 15:40 +0000
      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 18:02 +0100
    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-06 17:30 +0000
    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Γκρ33κ <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 23:26 +0200
      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2013-11-06 21:51 +0000
      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-06 22:11 +0000
        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-06 22:22 +0000
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-06 16:34 -0600
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 09:54 +1100
            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-11-07 13:43 +0000
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-06 23:52 +0000
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 10:57 +1100
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-07 00:11 +0000
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-11-06 16:22 -0800
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-06 21:07 -0600
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 12:00 +1100
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-06 23:06 -0500
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-07 06:09 -0600
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database bob gailer <bgailer@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 07:19 -0500
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-07 16:27 +0000
        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 01:01 -0800
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 01:13 -0800
            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2013-11-07 11:35 +0200
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 09:15 +0000
            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 01:31 -0800
              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-07 10:06 +0000
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 15:46 +0200
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 00:59 +1100
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 16:16 +0200
                      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 01:33 +1100
                        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-11-07 14:58 +0000
                          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 16:13 +0100
                      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-07 19:22 -0500
              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 15:47 +0200
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-07 16:34 +0000
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 19:42 +0200
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-07 18:11 +0000
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-11-07 18:28 +0000
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 11:45 -0500
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 19:45 +0200
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 21:29 +0000
            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 00:31 +0200
            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database ishish <ishish@domhain.de> - 2013-11-08 00:32 +0000
      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Johannes Findeisen <mailman@hanez.org> - 2013-11-06 23:28 +0100
    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2013-11-06 18:19 -0500
    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 10:20 +0200
      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 19:31 +1100
        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 10:59 +0200
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:19 +0000
            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 11:37 +0200
              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:58 +0000
              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 04:59 -0500
            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 11:39 +0200
              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 09:55 +0000
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 12:05 +0200
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 21:13 +1100
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-08 14:27 +0100
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-08 13:31 +0000
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-08 14:53 +0100
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-11-08 09:11 -0800
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 05:08 +1100
                      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 19:15 -0800
                        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 20:24 -0800
                      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-11-11 14:47 -0800
                        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-11-11 18:49 -0500
                          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-11-11 22:24 -0800
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-12 05:30 -0600
                        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-12 00:03 +0000
                        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-11 17:16 -0800
                          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-11-12 18:21 +1300
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-12 09:34 +0000
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:35 +1100
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-12 11:20 +0100
                          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-11-11 22:31 -0800
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-12 10:09 +0100
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-12 03:23 -0800
                              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-12 18:22 +0100
                              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-12 23:25 +0000
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 06:02 -0700
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-12 17:27 +0100
                              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-13 00:41 +0000
                                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-13 09:08 +0100
                              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 23:46 +0200
                                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-13 13:52 -0800
                                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-14 12:46 +0200
                                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-14 12:32 +0000
                                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-14 15:24 +0200
                                      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-11-14 13:30 +0000
                                      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-15 00:27 +1100
                                      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-14 13:56 +0000
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 14:26 -0700
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-11-12 13:59 -0800
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 16:27 -0700
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-12 23:38 +0000
                              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 13:14 +0200
                                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-13 12:37 +0100
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 16:54 -0700
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-13 00:04 +0000
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-11-12 17:19 -0800
                              Bullying [was Re: To whoever hacked into my Database] Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-13 03:40 +0000
                                Re: Bullying [was Re: To whoever hacked into my Database] Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 07:22 -0700
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-13 10:08 +0100
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 05:38 -0700
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 07:10 -0700
                            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-13 19:11 +0100
                              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database superchromix <markb77@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 10:27 -0800
                                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-13 10:30 -0800
                                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 20:02 +0100
                                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 13:24 -0600
                                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-11-13 19:36 +0000
                                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database William Ray Wing <wrw@mac.com> - 2013-11-13 15:11 -0500
                                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-13 19:54 -0500
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-08 21:23 +0200
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-11-08 20:23 +0000
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 11:37 +0200
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-08 19:06 -0500
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-09 00:14 +0000
                  Relational data model, relations, and relationships (was: To whoever hacked into my Database) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-11-09 11:34 +1100
              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-11-08 19:03 -0500
    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 07:54 +0200
      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 08:16 +0200
      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 17:20 +1100
        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 08:32 +0200
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 17:37 +1100
            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 09:05 +0200
              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 09:54 +0200
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 10:31 +0200
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 19:39 +1100
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 10:46 +0200
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 10:50 +0200
              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-09 15:07 +0000
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 18:58 +0200
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 18:59 +0200
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database ishish <ishish@domhain.de> - 2013-11-10 01:44 +0000
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-10 12:42 +0000
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-09 16:32 +0100
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 09:20 +1100
            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 12:32 +0200
              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-10 14:49 +0100
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 17:01 +0200
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-10 15:09 +0000
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-10 16:28 +0100
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-10 08:15 -0800
                      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-10 20:13 +0100
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 19:58 +0200
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Petite Abeille <petite.abeille@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 18:57 +0100
                    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 20:46 +0200
                      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Petite Abeille <petite.abeille@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 20:16 +0100
                        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 21:21 +0200
                          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Petite Abeille <petite.abeille@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 20:32 +0100
                          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Rod Person <rodperson@rodperson.com> - 2013-11-10 14:54 -0500
                          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 21:41 +0100
                          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Rod Person <rodperson@rodperson.com> - 2013-11-10 15:44 -0500
                          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Rod Person <rodperson@rodperson.com> - 2013-11-10 15:50 -0500
                          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-11 10:36 +1100
              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-10 14:45 +0000
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-10 17:12 +0200
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-10 15:24 +0000
        Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 08:35 +0200
          Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 17:45 +1100
            Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 09:11 +0200
              Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 18:19 +1100
                Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 09:44 +0200
                  Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-09 18:57 +1100
    Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-11 11:36 +0200
      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-12 15:37 +0200
      Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Robert Day <robert.day@merton.oxon.org> - 2013-11-16 10:40 +0000

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#59122

FromMark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2013-11-12 00:03 +0000
Message-ID<mailman.2412.1384214632.18130.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#59112
On 11/11/2013 23:49, Joel Goldstick wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 5:47 PM,  <rurpy@yahoo.com> wrote:

Lets get this right folks once and for all.  Let's carry on welcoming 
Nikos with open arms as he's such a wonderful benefactor to the 
community, but ban people such as Matt who had the audacity to write 
about an hour ago "Thank you guys so much. Brain fart moment. I 
appreciate it".  This latter approach is simply intolerable.  I'm 
assuming that representatives of the Python Software Foundation will be 
protesting to Matt in the strongest possible terms about this, and 
threatening him with a life long ban from this list should he repeat 
such disgusting words on our forum.

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#59126

FromNed Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com>
Date2013-11-11 17:16 -0800
Message-ID<a212e07d-e2dc-4036-8e8e-1fe429dbea99@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#59112
On Monday, November 11, 2013 5:47:28 PM UTC-5, ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 11/08/2013 11:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 4:11 AM,  <rurpy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On 11/08/2013 03:05 AM, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote:
> >>> I never ignore advices.
> >>> I read all answers as carefully as i can.
> >>> But nevertheless sometimes i feel things should have been better
> >>> implemented using my way.
> >>>
> >>> Not of course that i know better, but thats better suited for me in the
> >>> level iam.
> >>
> >> Most of the "advice" I've seen posted here has, as far
> >> as I can tell, not intended to be useful but to serve
> >> as a way to telling you are incompetent are in other ways
> >> insulting or useless.  I think you are quite right to
> >> ignore it (or tell the poster to get lost.)
> > 
> > Actually no; most of the advice has been genuine.
> 
> Actually yes; most of the advice has not been genuine.
> 

rurpy, I applaud your efforts to make this forum more civil.  I do not like the general tone of the responses to Nikos these days.  But you are being naive to present this as "the big bad meanies against the innocent OP."

Nikos has received a good deal of genuine advice.  He has also been genuinely difficult to help.

> If you want to be helpful try posting useful information
> without the insults, with an attempt to tune it to the 
> level of understanding the recipient and without the 
> offensive "do what I tell you" attitude.

Lots of people have provided useful information, tuned to the recipient.  And yet the threads continue to spiral out of control.  You must acknowledge that threads started by Nikos end up going badly far more often than average.  It can't simply be that everyone irrationally hates Nikos.

> He didn't reject it out of hand, he gave some reasons why he 
> rejected it.   But as is SOP here, you chose not to see or pay
> any attention to those reasons.

Actually, Nikos often has rejected advice out of hand.  "I want to do it in one line" isn't a good reason to reject advice.  "But I don't want to make another table" isn't a good criterion for database design.  "I like mine better than yours, it just doesn't work, can you help me fix it" isn't a good way to get help.

As I said, I applaud your efforts to improve the tone of this forum.  But you won't do it by ignoring part of the problem: Nikos is difficult to help.  He ignores advice; he doesn't seem to want to research the fundamentals of his problems; he refuses suggestions for capricious reasons; he reposts panicky questions, sometimes within minutes of each other.  All of these things make him difficult to help, and raise the ire of people who are otherwise generous with their time and experience.

I don't know how best to make things better overall.  I know that overlooking Nikos' faults won't do it.

--Ned.

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#59151

FromGregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz>
Date2013-11-12 18:21 +1300
Message-ID<beds78Ff066U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#59126
Ned Batchelder wrote:
> I don't know how best to make things better overall.  I know that overlooking 
> Nikos' faults won't do it.

If everyone who reached the point where they don't think
they can help any more would simply say so in a calm
manner and then walk away, that would make things better
overall. It wouldn't help *Nikos*, but it would prevent
the discussion from degenerating into a flamefest.

It takes two to spiral.

-- 
Greg

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#59170

FromMark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2013-11-12 09:34 +0000
Message-ID<mailman.2443.1384248836.18130.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#59151
On 12/11/2013 05:21, Gregory Ewing wrote:
> Ned Batchelder wrote:
>> I don't know how best to make things better overall.  I know that
>> overlooking Nikos' faults won't do it.
>
> If everyone who reached the point where they don't think
> they can help any more would simply say so in a calm
> manner and then walk away, that would make things better
> overall. It wouldn't help *Nikos*, but it would prevent
> the discussion from degenerating into a flamefest.
>
> It takes two to spiral.
>

In this case three, the OP, the spoon feeders who've tried so hard to 
help on so many occasions, but have consistently seen their help 
rejected, and the responders who finally get fed up.

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#59173

FromChris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date2013-11-12 20:35 +1100
Message-ID<mailman.2446.1384249365.18130.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#59151
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 12/11/2013 05:21, Gregory Ewing wrote:
>>
>> Ned Batchelder wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know how best to make things better overall.  I know that
>>> overlooking Nikos' faults won't do it.
>>
>>
>> If everyone who reached the point where they don't think
>> they can help any more would simply say so in a calm
>> manner and then walk away, that would make things better
>> overall. It wouldn't help *Nikos*, but it would prevent
>> the discussion from degenerating into a flamefest.
>>
>> It takes two to spiral.
>>
>
> In this case three, the OP, the spoon feeders who've tried so hard to help
> on so many occasions, but have consistently seen their help rejected, and
> the responders who finally get fed up.

And then it all goes meta. This thread hasn't had anything productive
for quite some time now... nor even anything funny.

ChrisA

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#59177

FromAntoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be>
Date2013-11-12 11:20 +0100
Message-ID<mailman.2449.1384251648.18130.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#59151
Op 12-11-13 10:35, Chris Angelico schreef:
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 12/11/2013 05:21, Gregory Ewing wrote:
>>>
>>> Ned Batchelder wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how best to make things better overall.  I know that
>>>> overlooking Nikos' faults won't do it.
>>>
>>>
>>> If everyone who reached the point where they don't think
>>> they can help any more would simply say so in a calm
>>> manner and then walk away, that would make things better
>>> overall. It wouldn't help *Nikos*, but it would prevent
>>> the discussion from degenerating into a flamefest.
>>>
>>> It takes two to spiral.
>>>
>>
>> In this case three, the OP, the spoon feeders who've tried so hard to help
>> on so many occasions, but have consistently seen their help rejected, and
>> the responders who finally get fed up.
> 
> And then it all goes meta. This thread hasn't had anything productive
> for quite some time now... nor even anything funny.

Well if people disagree about what kind of response is appropiate, then
I think discussing that, is productive. At least it is more productive
than trying to be funny.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#59157

Fromrurpy@yahoo.com
Date2013-11-11 22:31 -0800
Message-ID<a032abcc-cf42-41b2-b5bc-5fa6c200fb8c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#59126
On 11/11/2013 06:16 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On Monday, November 11, 2013 5:47:28 PM UTC-5, ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On 11/08/2013 11:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 4:11 AM,  <rurpy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/08/2013 03:05 AM, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote:
>>>>> I never ignore advices. I read all answers as carefully as i
>>>>> can. But nevertheless sometimes i feel things should have
>>>>> been better implemented using my way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not of course that i know better, but thats better suited for
>>>>> me in the level iam.
>>>> 
>>>> Most of the "advice" I've seen posted here has, as far as I can
>>>> tell, not intended to be useful but to serve as a way to
>>>> telling you are incompetent are in other ways insulting or
>>>> useless.  I think you are quite right to ignore it (or tell the
>>>> poster to get lost.)
>>> 
>>> Actually no; most of the advice has been genuine.
>> 
>> Actually yes; most of the advice has not been genuine.
> 
> rurpy, I applaud your efforts to make this forum more civil.  I do
> not like the general tone of the responses to Nikos these days.  But
> you are being naive to present this as "the big bad meanies against
> the innocent OP."

I never claimed Nikos was "innocent".  I was complaining 
about responses, driven by frustration or hostility, that 
go beyond reasonable and become so dogmatic and absolutist 
that they themselves become wrong.  Nikos (or anyone else) 
is right to reject such responses.

> Nikos has received a good deal of genuine advice.  He has also been
> genuinely difficult to help.

Yes.  If he is too difficult to help without getting
angry because he won't do what you (generic) tell him
then perhaps a more constructive response is to stop
trying to help him rather than join the lynch mob that
is making the atmosphere here far worse (IMO) than
Nikos alone could.  However, I have made that argument
in the past and am not interested in rearguing it.

>[...]

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#59166

FromAntoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be>
Date2013-11-12 10:09 +0100
Message-ID<mailman.2438.1384247523.18130.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#59157
Op 12-11-13 07:31, rurpy@yahoo.com schreef:
> On 11/11/2013 06:16 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 5:47:28 PM UTC-5, ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On 11/08/2013 11:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 4:11 AM,  <rurpy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/08/2013 03:05 AM, Νίκος Αλεξόπουλος wrote:
>>>>>> I never ignore advices. I read all answers as carefully as i
>>>>>> can. But nevertheless sometimes i feel things should have
>>>>>> been better implemented using my way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not of course that i know better, but thats better suited for
>>>>>> me in the level iam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of the "advice" I've seen posted here has, as far as I can
>>>>> tell, not intended to be useful but to serve as a way to
>>>>> telling you are incompetent are in other ways insulting or
>>>>> useless.  I think you are quite right to ignore it (or tell the
>>>>> poster to get lost.)
>>>>
>>>> Actually no; most of the advice has been genuine.
>>>
>>> Actually yes; most of the advice has not been genuine.
>>
>> rurpy, I applaud your efforts to make this forum more civil.  I do
>> not like the general tone of the responses to Nikos these days.  But
>> you are being naive to present this as "the big bad meanies against
>> the innocent OP."
> 
> I never claimed Nikos was "innocent".  I was complaining 
> about responses, driven by frustration or hostility, that 
> go beyond reasonable and become so dogmatic and absolutist 
> that they themselves become wrong.  Nikos (or anyone else) 
> is right to reject such responses.

So you are complaining about people being human. Yes that is
how people tend to react when they continualy are frustrated
by someone who refuses to show the slightest cooperation.
So no rejecting such responses, particullarly by the person
who caused them is not right. It is defelecting the blame from
the primal cause.

>> Nikos has received a good deal of genuine advice.  He has also been
>> genuinely difficult to help.
> 
> Yes.  If he is too difficult to help without getting
> angry because he won't do what you (generic) tell him
> then perhaps a more constructive response is to stop
> trying to help him rather than join the lynch mob that
> is making the atmosphere here far worse (IMO) than
> Nikos alone could.  However, I have made that argument
> in the past and am not interested in rearguing it.

That is correct but is expecting too much from people in general.
Expecting from frustrated people to act rational and constructive
is just a recipe for your own frustrations. And your own reaction
illustrates the problem beautifully because you come with an
irrational non-constructive proposal, that is very unlikely to
motivate people in actually want to cooperate with you in getting
this community to be more positive again.

-- 
Antoon Pardon.

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#59183

FromNed Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com>
Date2013-11-12 03:23 -0800
Message-ID<ef11ad92-837b-4b89-9cfd-8df11070db75@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#59157
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:31:32 AM UTC-5, ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 11/11/2013 06:16 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> > Nikos has received a good deal of genuine advice.  He has also been
> > genuinely difficult to help.
> 
> Yes.  If he is too difficult to help without getting
> angry because he won't do what you (generic) tell him
> then perhaps a more constructive response is to stop
> trying to help him rather than join the lynch mob that
> is making the atmosphere here far worse (IMO) than
> Nikos alone could.

I absolutely agree with this. 

--Ned.

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#59254

FromAntoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be>
Date2013-11-12 18:22 +0100
Message-ID<mailman.2500.1384297587.18130.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#59183
Op 12-11-13 12:23, Ned Batchelder schreef:
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:31:32 AM UTC-5, ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On 11/11/2013 06:16 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>>> Nikos has received a good deal of genuine advice.  He has also been
>>> genuinely difficult to help.
>>
>> Yes.  If he is too difficult to help without getting
>> angry because he won't do what you (generic) tell him
>> then perhaps a more constructive response is to stop
>> trying to help him rather than join the lynch mob that
>> is making the atmosphere here far worse (IMO) than
>> Nikos alone could.
> 
> I absolutely agree with this.

This ignores the contribution of the spoon feeders. The frustration
originates with seeing Nikos ignoring helpful advices and repeating
the same question. So stop trying to help, doesn't deminish the
frustration in a significant way as long as the spoon feeders continue
to motivate Nikos in this kind of behaviour.

As long as the spoon feeders are allowed to contribute to the frustration
of other group members, you will have people who feel they are justified
in venting their frustration in the news group. And only taking the
venters to task while ignoring the spoon feeders will mostly result in
not be taken serious and will produce rather bad will than good will to
your goal.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#59259

FromMark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2013-11-12 23:25 +0000
Message-ID<mailman.2506.1384298763.18130.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#59183
On 12/11/2013 17:22, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> Op 12-11-13 12:23, Ned Batchelder schreef:
>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:31:32 AM UTC-5, ru...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On 11/11/2013 06:16 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>>>> Nikos has received a good deal of genuine advice.  He has also been
>>>> genuinely difficult to help.
>>>
>>> Yes.  If he is too difficult to help without getting
>>> angry because he won't do what you (generic) tell him
>>> then perhaps a more constructive response is to stop
>>> trying to help him rather than join the lynch mob that
>>> is making the atmosphere here far worse (IMO) than
>>> Nikos alone could.
>>
>> I absolutely agree with this.
>
> This ignores the contribution of the spoon feeders. The frustration
> originates with seeing Nikos ignoring helpful advices and repeating
> the same question. So stop trying to help, doesn't deminish the
> frustration in a significant way as long as the spoon feeders continue
> to motivate Nikos in this kind of behaviour.
>
> As long as the spoon feeders are allowed to contribute to the frustration
> of other group members, you will have people who feel they are justified
> in venting their frustration in the news group. And only taking the
> venters to task while ignoring the spoon feeders will mostly result in
> not be taken serious and will produce rather bad will than good will to
> your goal.
>

I'm 100% behind you with this.  Sadly the message just doesn't seem to 
get across so I suggest that we talk to brick walls, at least we'll not 
expect a response of any kind.

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#59190

FromIan Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com>
Date2013-11-12 06:02 -0700
Message-ID<mailman.2460.1384261431.18130.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#59157
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Antoon Pardon
<antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
> So you are complaining about people being human. Yes that is
> how people tend to react when they continualy are frustrated
> by someone who refuses to show the slightest cooperation.
> So no rejecting such responses, particullarly by the person
> who caused them is not right. It is defelecting the blame from
> the primal cause.

As you say you're a human, not a sheep, so stop pointing at the
behavior of others to justify your own.  "But he started it" wasn't an
excuse in kindergarten, and it still isn't one now.  Somebody has to
accept the responsibility to walk away and break the positive feedback
loop, or it will never end.  And I can't see Nikos being the one to do
that.

> That is correct but is expecting too much from people in general.
> Expecting from frustrated people to act rational and constructive
> is just a recipe for your own frustrations.

In my experience, conduct follows from self esteem and self worth, and
those things follow in turn from the respect and expectations of
others.  If I expect others to act like animals, then I disrespect
them, and so why should they behave any differently toward me or in my
presence?  By expecting others to be rational and mature I show my
respect for them, and so perhaps they will see fit to behave in a way
to maintain that respect.

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#59218

FromAntoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be>
Date2013-11-12 17:27 +0100
Message-ID<mailman.2479.1384273764.18130.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#59157
Op 12-11-13 14:02, Ian Kelly schreef:
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Antoon Pardon
> <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
>> So you are complaining about people being human. Yes that is
>> how people tend to react when they continualy are frustrated
>> by someone who refuses to show the slightest cooperation.
>> So no rejecting such responses, particullarly by the person
>> who caused them is not right. It is defelecting the blame from
>> the primal cause.
> 
> As you say you're a human, not a sheep, so stop pointing at the
> behavior of others to justify your own.

No, because often enough what is justifiable and what is not
depends on the context and what happened before. Morals are
generally not absolute so that a particular action would be
either right or wrong no matter what the circumstances.

> "But he started it" wasn't an
> excuse in kindergarten, and it still isn't one now.

Then that kindergarten teacher was lousy at her job and would
probably let the bullies maninupulate her in punishing their
victems. That is what you get if you unconditionally tell
people that "he started it" can't be an excuse.

> Somebody has to
> accept the responsibility to walk away and break the positive feedback
> loop, or it will never end.  And I can't see Nikos being the one to do
> that.

Not my problem. Why do you come to me? I didn't contribute to this
thread for about two days. That is two days of various contributors
that didn't accept their responsibility and whom you left alone.
If it wasn't a problem then that the positive feedback loop was
maintained, then why is it a problem now? I'll start taking you
seriously when I see you tackling the specific behaviour in a
consistent manner instead of you tackling specific contributors.

If you leave a thread alone for four days while various contributors
maintain a positive feedback loop then you are implicitly saying
that such behaviour is not a big problem. So don't come complaining
now.

>> That is correct but is expecting too much from people in general.
>> Expecting from frustrated people to act rational and constructive
>> is just a recipe for your own frustrations.
> 
> In my experience, conduct follows from self esteem and self worth, and
> those things follow in turn from the respect and expectations of
> others.  If I expect others to act like animals, then I disrespect
> them, and so why should they behave any differently toward me or in my
> presence?

You are confusing realistic expectations with moralistic expeactations.
In some circumstances it is realistic to expect people to behave like
animals. You may see that as a sign of disrespect but that is because
you assigned it a moral judgement.

> By expecting others to be rational and mature I show my
> respect for them, and so perhaps they will see fit to behave in a way
> to maintain that respect.

No you are not showing respect that way. You are more likely unable
to empathise with the frustrations those people experience and are feeling
smug because you can handle it in such a "rational and mature" way.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#59268

FromSteven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info>
Date2013-11-13 00:41 +0000
Message-ID<5282ca9f$0$30003$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#59218
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:27:08 +0100, Antoon Pardon wrote:

>> Somebody has to
>> accept the responsibility to walk away and break the positive feedback
>> loop, or it will never end.  And I can't see Nikos being the one to do
>> that.
> 
> Not my problem.

It might not be a problem for you, since you are obviously getting far 
more pleasure out of arguing with others then you do about discussing 
Python. But you are a problem for the rest of us.

> Why do you come to me? I didn't contribute to this
> thread for about two days.

And now you are keeping it alive, just because "they started it".

Antoon, I don't remember the last time I've seen you contribute anything 
productive to a Python thread. Chris and Mark have a regrettable tendency 
to tease or bait Nikos, or at least run off on tangents mocking him, but 
they at least are also productive members of the community who contribute 
to discussing Python and helping solve Python problems. You don't, not as 
far as I can see. Since you are now in my opinion almost as big a problem 
here as Nikos, I'm adding you back to my kill-file.

See you in six months.



-- 
Steven

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#59291

FromAntoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be>
Date2013-11-13 09:08 +0100
Message-ID<mailman.2529.1384330097.18130.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#59268
Op 13-11-13 01:41, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:27:08 +0100, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> 
>>> Somebody has to
>>> accept the responsibility to walk away and break the positive feedback
>>> loop, or it will never end.  And I can't see Nikos being the one to do
>>> that.
>>
>> Not my problem.
> 
> It might not be a problem for you, since you are obviously getting far 
> more pleasure out of arguing with others then you do about discussing 
> Python. But you are a problem for the rest of us.

So? Spoon feeders and others who seem unwilling or unable to ignore
Nikos's cravings for attention are a problem for me and others who
get frustrated by it. I don't see much people care about that. So
why should I care about other people's problem? I always get requests
to care about the problem of others but I don't see much consideration
for the problems I and those like me experience.

>> Why do you come to me? I didn't contribute to this
>> thread for about two days.
> 
> And now you are keeping it alive, just because "they started it".

So? if it was all right for others to blow life into this thread,
then why is it wrong if I would keep it alive?

And for your information, IMO I'm not keeping it alive for now.
At this moment all those who are eager to argue me into behaving
as they would prefer seem more responsible for keeping it alive
than me.

> Antoon, I don't remember the last time I've seen you contribute anything 
> productive to a Python thread.

I'm not responsible for your memory Steven.

> Chris and Mark have a regrettable tendency 
> to tease or bait Nikos, or at least run off on tangents mocking him, but 
> they at least are also productive members of the community who contribute 
> to discussing Python and helping solve Python problems. You don't, not as 
> far as I can see. Since you are now in my opinion almost as big a problem 
> here as Nikos, I'm adding you back to my kill-file.

That is your perogative.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#59341

FromFerrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date2013-11-13 23:46 +0200
Message-ID<l60s0i$j35$3@news.grnet.gr>
In reply to#59218
root@secure:~/lib64# ls -al | grep libkey

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1 -> 
libkeyutils.so.1.3.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10192 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 32920 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3.0*

root@secure:~/lib64# rpm -qf libkeyutils.so.1.3.0
file /lib64/libkeyutils.so.1.3.0 is not owned by any package

================================

It appears that my server has been compromised with a malicious payload 
designed to sniff for and steal server passwords.

This must have happened when i was handling my root passwords out in the 
open.

Served me well.

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#59343

FromNed Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com>
Date2013-11-13 13:52 -0800
Message-ID<70428667-9f8c-4cf7-9579-46d4813a2deb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#59341
On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:46:59 PM UTC-5, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> root@secure:~/lib64# ls -al | grep libkey
> 
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1 -> 
> libkeyutils.so.1.3.0*
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10192 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3*
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 32920 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3.0*
> 
> root@secure:~/lib64# rpm -qf libkeyutils.so.1.3.0
> file /lib64/libkeyutils.so.1.3.0 is not owned by any package
> 
> ================================
> 
> It appears that my server has been compromised with a malicious payload 
> designed to sniff for and steal server passwords.
> 
> This must have happened when i was handling my root passwords out in the 
> open.
> 
> Served me well.

This has nothing to do with the topic of this mailing list.  Please don't post it here.

--Ned.

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#59423

FromFerrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date2013-11-14 12:46 +0200
Message-ID<l629m4$sr8$2@news.grnet.gr>
In reply to#59341
Στις 13/11/2013 11:46 μμ, ο/η Ferrous Cranus έγραψε:
> root@secure:~/lib64# ls -al | grep libkey
>
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1 ->
> libkeyutils.so.1.3.0*
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10192 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3*
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 32920 Jun 22 2012 libkeyutils.so.1.3.0*
>
> root@secure:~/lib64# rpm -qf libkeyutils.so.1.3.0
> file /lib64/libkeyutils.so.1.3.0 is not owned by any package
>
> ================================
>
> It appears that my server has been compromised with a malicious payload
> designed to sniff for and steal server passwords.
>
> This must have happened when i was handling my root passwords out in the
> open.
>
> Served me well.



Can somebody explain to me why there is so many failed attempts to login 
into my linux server under various user accounts?

http://i.imgur.com/5PaZAWu.png

I mean is this some normal background radiation of the Internet or is 
something directed to me?

Does this happen on your servers at this extend too?

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#59424

FromAlister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com>
Date2013-11-14 12:32 +0000
Message-ID<Zp3hu.44615$8G6.26395@fx22.am4>
In reply to#59423
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:46:29 +0200, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
>> This must have happened when i was handling my root passwords out in
>> the open.
>>
>> Served me well.
> 
At least you seem to be learning this lesson
> 
> 
> Can somebody explain to me why there is so many failed attempts to login
> into my linux server under various user accounts?
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/5PaZAWu.png
> 
> I mean is this some normal background radiation of the Internet or is
> something directed to me?
> 
> Does this happen on your servers at this extend too?

any open ports on the internet are likely to attract attention of the 
'Black Hats'
this is why you have been advised to check your firewall settings
you should only expose the ports that are absolutely necessary

for a web server these would be 80 & 443

currently you have many other services also open that probably should not 
be.
if you check the logs for those services you will probably find even more 
login attempts (I hope they have failed)





-- 
Paranoid schizophrenics outnumber their enemies at least two to one.

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#59425

FromFerrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
Date2013-11-14 15:24 +0200
Message-ID<l62iuf$sr8$3@news.grnet.gr>
In reply to#59424
Στις 14/11/2013 2:32 μμ, ο/η Alister έγραψε:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:46:29 +0200, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
>>> This must have happened when i was handling my root passwords out in
>>> the open.
>>>
>>> Served me well.
>>
> At least you seem to be learning this lesson
>>
>>
>> Can somebody explain to me why there is so many failed attempts to login
>> into my linux server under various user accounts?
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/5PaZAWu.png
>>
>> I mean is this some normal background radiation of the Internet or is
>> something directed to me?
>>
>> Does this happen on your servers at this extend too?
>
> any open ports on the internet are likely to attract attention of the
> 'Black Hats'
> this is why you have been advised to check your firewall settings
> you should only expose the ports that are absolutely necessary
>
> for a web server these would be 80 & 443
>
> currently you have many other services also open that probably should not
> be.
> if you check the logs for those services you will probably find even more
> login attempts (I hope they have failed)


Yes i have more ports open as 'nmap' reports but don't forget that i'm 
running cPanel for my customers, hence more ports need to be opened for 
cPanel and WHM use, let alone mail and sshd.

But the response wasn't clear to me.
Ia this randomly normal background Internet radiation or some personal 
directed attacks?

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