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  Is Python "venerable"? Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-02-19 21:45 -0500
    Re: Is Python "venerable"? MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-02-20 03:09 +0000
    Re: Is Python "venerable"? Barry W Brown <brownbar@gmail.com> - 2013-02-19 19:53 -0800
      Re: Is Python "venerable"? Rotwang <sg552@hotmail.co.uk> - 2013-02-20 16:03 +0000
    Re: Is Python "venerable"? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-02-19 23:03 -0500
    Re: Is Python "venerable"? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-02-20 04:15 +0000
      Re: Is Python "venerable"? rh <richard_hubbe11@lavabit.com> - 2013-02-20 11:28 -0800
    Re: Is Python "venerable"? Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2013-02-19 23:10 -0500
    Re: Is Python "venerable"? rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-02-19 20:42 -0800
      Re: Is Python "venerable"? Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-02-20 09:08 +0000
        Re: Is Python "venerable"? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-20 20:20 +1100
          Re: Is Python "venerable"? rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-02-20 02:49 -0800
      Re: Is Python "venerable"? Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-02-20 10:19 +0100
    Re: Is Python "venerable"? Albert Hopkins <marduk@letterboxes.org> - 2013-02-20 06:03 -0500
    Re: Is Python "venerable"? Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-02-20 12:35 +0100
    Re: Is Python "venerable"? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-02-20 22:45 +1100
    Re: Is Python "venerable"? rh <richard_hubbe11@lavabit.com> - 2013-02-20 11:29 -0800
    Re: Is Python "venerable"? Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2013-02-20 10:33 -0500

#39300 — Is Python "venerable"?

A quote from Computer World (http://tinyurl.com/bxqjed8):

"... the Python Software Foundation (PSF) - a non-profit supporting the 
venerable Python programming language ..."

Venerable?  Come on.  Fortran is venerable.  Cobol is venerable.  Old 
farts use things that are venerable.  I don't want to be an old fart 
(not that I have much say in the matter).

I use Python because I want to be one of the cool kids, doing new hip 
stuff.  Has the language really progressed to the point where it's being 
called "venerable"?  If I want to be one of the cool kids, am I now 
going to have to switch to Lua or Scala or (please, no) JavaScript?

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#39304

On 2013-02-20 02:45, Roy Smith wrote:
> A quote from Computer World (http://tinyurl.com/bxqjed8):
>
> "... the Python Software Foundation (PSF) - a non-profit supporting the
> venerable Python programming language ..."
>
> Venerable?  Come on.  Fortran is venerable.  Cobol is venerable.  Old
> farts use things that are venerable.  I don't want to be an old fart
> (not that I have much say in the matter).
>
> I use Python because I want to be one of the cool kids, doing new hip
> stuff.  Has the language really progressed to the point where it's being
> called "venerable"?  If I want to be one of the cool kids, am I now
> going to have to switch to Lua or Scala or (please, no) JavaScript?
>
I believe that the cools kids don't use the word "hip" any more.

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#39307

On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:45:53 PM UTC-6, Roy Smith wrote:
> A quote from Computer World (http://tinyurl.com/bxqjed8):
> 
> 
> 
> "... the Python Software Foundation (PSF) - a non-profit supporting the 
> 
> venerable Python programming language ..."
> 
> 
> 
> Venerable?  Come on.  Fortran is venerable.  Cobol is venerable.  Old 
> 
> farts use things that are venerable.  I don't want to be an old fart 
> 
> (not that I have much say in the matter).
> 
> 
> 
> I use Python because I want to be one of the cool kids, doing new hip 
> 
> stuff.  Has the language really progressed to the point where it's being 
> 
> called "venerable"?  If I want to be one of the cool kids, am I now 
> 
> going to have to switch to Lua or Scala or (please, no) JavaScript?

Homer Simpson put it accurately last night.  "I used to be with it when
I was younger.  But it moved and now what I am with is no longer it."

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#39364

On 20/02/2013 03:53, Barry W Brown wrote:
> [...]
>
> Homer Simpson put it accurately last night.  "I used to be with it when
> I was younger.  But it moved and now what I am with is no longer it."

Sorry to be pedantic, but the quote you're thinking of is from Abe Simpson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cjHTcIgxHc&t=41


-- 
I have made a thing that superficially resembles music:

http://soundcloud.com/eroneity/we-berated-our-own-crapiness

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#39308

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:45:53 -0500, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> declaimed
the following in gmane.comp.python.general:

> Venerable?  Come on.  Fortran is venerable.  Cobol is venerable.  Old 
> farts use things that are venerable.  I don't want to be an old fart 
> (not that I have much say in the matter).
>
	For over a decade now I've described /myself/ as either being
"venerable moving on to revered" or "revered moving on to venerable"
-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
        wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#39310

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:45:53 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:

> A quote from Computer World (http://tinyurl.com/bxqjed8):
> 
> "... the Python Software Foundation (PSF) - a non-profit supporting the
> venerable Python programming language ..."
> 
> Venerable?  Come on.  Fortran is venerable.  Cobol is venerable.  Old
> farts use things that are venerable.  I don't want to be an old fart
> (not that I have much say in the matter).

Venerable does not mean "old". It means worthy of veneration. Cobol is 
not venerable. Cobol is *just old*.'


Definition of VENERABLE:
1: deserving to be venerated —used as a title for an Anglican archdeacon 
or for a Roman Catholic who has been accorded the lowest of three degrees 
of recognition for sanctity
2: made sacred especially by religious or historical association
3a : calling forth respect through age, character, and attainments <a 
venerable jazz musician>; broadly : conveying an impression of aged 
goodness and benevolence <encouraged by the venerable doctor's head-
nodding>
b: impressive by reason of age <under venerable pines>


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/venerable


 
> I use Python because I want to be one of the cool kids, doing new hip
> stuff.  Has the language really progressed to the point where it's being
> called "venerable"?  If I want to be one of the cool kids, am I now
> going to have to switch to Lua or Scala or (please, no) JavaScript?

Scala? That's sooooooo 2003. That's a decade old! The cool kids are using 
Go or Coffeescript. If you want to get ahead of the cool kids, you want 
to look at cutting edge languages like Ceylon. 


Lua is even older than Javascript and nearly as mature as Python:

Javascript: 1994
Lua: 1993
Python: 1991




-- 
Steven

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#39374

On 20 Feb 2013 04:15:01 GMT
Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:45:53 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:
> 
> > A quote from Computer World (http://tinyurl.com/bxqjed8):
> > 
> > "... the Python Software Foundation (PSF) - a non-profit supporting
> > the venerable Python programming language ..."
> > 
> > Venerable?  Come on.  Fortran is venerable.  Cobol is venerable.
> > Old farts use things that are venerable.  I don't want to be an old
> > fart (not that I have much say in the matter).
> 
> Venerable does not mean "old". It means worthy of veneration. Cobol
> is not venerable. Cobol is *just old*.'
> 
> 
> Definition of VENERABLE:
> 1: deserving to be venerated —used as a title for an Anglican
> archdeacon or for a Roman Catholic who has been accorded the lowest
> of three degrees of recognition for sanctity
> 2: made sacred especially by religious or historical association
> 3a : calling forth respect through age, character, and attainments <a 
> venerable jazz musician>; broadly : conveying an impression of aged 
> goodness and benevolence <encouraged by the venerable doctor's head-
> nodding>
> b: impressive by reason of age <under venerable pines>

So a venerable cult then.
cult:
group/sect bound together by veneration of some thing, person, ideal, etc. 

Whether a sect or group remains to be worked out. Probably not a tuple.

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#39311

On Tuesday 19 February 2013 23:09:11 MRAB did opine:

> On 2013-02-20 02:45, Roy Smith wrote:
> > A quote from Computer World (http://tinyurl.com/bxqjed8):
> > 
> > "... the Python Software Foundation (PSF) - a non-profit supporting
> > the venerable Python programming language ..."
> > 
> > Venerable?  Come on.  Fortran is venerable.  Cobol is venerable.  Old
> > farts use things that are venerable.  I don't want to be an old fart
> > (not that I have much say in the matter).
> > 
> > I use Python because I want to be one of the cool kids, doing new hip
> > stuff.  Has the language really progressed to the point where it's
> > being called "venerable"?  If I want to be one of the cool kids, am I
> > now going to have to switch to Lua or Scala or (please, no)
> > JavaScript?
> 
> I believe that the cools kids don't use the word "hip" any more.

And even us old (78) farts are calling things Kewl now.

Cheers, Gene
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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cluttered up with a mass of unnecessary figures and proper names.
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I was taught to respect my elders, but its getting 
harder and harder to find any...

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#39314

On Feb 20, 7:45 am, Roy Smith <r...@panix.com> wrote:
> A quote from Computer World (http://tinyurl.com/bxqjed8):

Thanks for the link/update

>
> "... the Python Software Foundation (PSF) - a non-profit supporting the
> venerable Python programming language ..."

Heh! I am reminded:
Some years ago a new reprint of Knuth's Art of Programming had on the
back cover something to the effect that this was 'classical CS.'

So what then is pop-CS, folk-CS?

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#39325

rusi wrote:

> Heh! I am reminded:
> Some years ago a new reprint of Knuth's Art of Programming had on the
> back cover something to the effect that this was 'classical CS.'
> 
> So what then is pop-CS, folk-CS?


Knuth's work is undoubtedly classic.

Classic:

1.
of the first or highest quality, class, or rank: a classic piece of work.
2.
serving as a standard, model, or guide: the classic method of teaching 
arithmetic. 


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/classic


Rui Maciel

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#39327

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> wrote:
> rusi wrote:
>
>> Heh! I am reminded:
>> Some years ago a new reprint of Knuth's Art of Programming had on the
>> back cover something to the effect that this was 'classical CS.'
>>
>> So what then is pop-CS, folk-CS?
>
> Knuth's work is undoubtedly classic.
>

Classic, yes, but the book said "classical", which is a style of music
covering Bach interwoven with Spohr and Beethoven (at classical Monday
pops). The billiard sharp whom anyone catches... oops, never mind that
bit. I suppose it'd still be the art of programming, just a slightly
different art. That would explain, though, why so many computer
programmers enjoy music...

ChrisA

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#39340

On Feb 20, 2:20 pm, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Rui Maciel <rui.mac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > rusi wrote:
>
> >> Heh! I am reminded:
> >> Some years ago a new reprint of Knuth's Art of Programming had on the
> >> back cover something to the effect that this was 'classical CS.'
>
> >> So what then is pop-CS, folk-CS?
>
> > Knuth's work is undoubtedly classic.
>
> Classic, yes, but the book said "classical", which is a style of music
> covering Bach interwoven with Spohr and Beethoven (at classical Monday
> pops). The billiard sharp whom anyone catches... oops, never mind that
> bit. I suppose it'd still be the art of programming, just a slightly
> different art. That would explain, though, why so many computer
> programmers enjoy music...
>
> ChrisA

I was part joking and part serious when asking whats pop/folk CS
because I explore this in my blog:
http://blog.languager.org/2011/02/cs-education-is-fat-and-weak-3.html

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#39326

rusi wrote:

> On Feb 20, 7:45 am, Roy Smith <r...@panix.com> wrote:
>> A quote from Computer World (http://tinyurl.com/bxqjed8):
> 
> Thanks for the link/update
> 
>>
>> "... the Python Software Foundation (PSF) - a non-profit supporting the
>> venerable Python programming language ..."
> 
> Heh! I am reminded:
> Some years ago a new reprint of Knuth's Art of Programming had on the
> back cover something to the effect that this was 'classical CS.'
> 
> So what then is pop-CS, 

"Teach Yourself HTML in 24 Hours"

> folk-CS?

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#39344

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
[...]
> And even us old (78) farts are calling things Kewl now.

78??? Is that the year you were born or the years since you were born?

-a

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#39350

On 20/02/2013 12:03, Albert Hopkins wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> [...]
>> And even us old (78) farts are calling things Kewl now.
> 78??? Is that the year you were born or the years since you were born?
>
> -a
Yeah, 2078 - Marty McFly, Back From the Future.   Kewl !!  ;-)

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#39351

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 20/02/2013 12:03, Albert Hopkins wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> [...]
>>>
>>> And even us old (78) farts are calling things Kewl now.
>>
>> 78??? Is that the year you were born or the years since you were born?
>>
>> -a
>
> Yeah, 2078 - Marty McFly, Back From the Future.   Kewl !!  ;-)

Flux capacitor is... uhh... fluxing?
-- Marty, lampshading the whole "we don't really care how this thing
works but it does" thing

ChrisA

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#39375

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:45:53 -0500
Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote:

> A quote from Computer World (http://tinyurl.com/bxqjed8):
> 
> "... the Python Software Foundation (PSF) - a non-profit supporting
> the venerable Python programming language ..."
> 
> Venerable?  Come on.  Fortran is venerable.  Cobol is venerable.  Old 
> farts use things that are venerable.  I don't want to be an old fart 
> (not that I have much say in the matter).
> 
> I use Python because I want to be one of the cool kids, doing new hip 
> stuff.  Has the language really progressed to the point where it's
> being called "venerable"?  If I want to be one of the cool kids, am I
> now going to have to switch to Lua or Scala or (please, no)
> JavaScript?

ECMAScript then.

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#39438

On Wednesday 20 February 2013 10:32:14 Albert Hopkins did opine:

> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> [...]
> 
> > And even us old (78) farts are calling things Kewl now.
> 
> 78??? Is that the year you were born or the years since you were born?
> 
> -a

Born in Oct 1934.  78yo now.

Cheers, Gene
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
My web page: <http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene> is up!
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	It is a mistake to let any mechanical object realise that you
	are in a hurry.
I was taught to respect my elders, but its getting 
harder and harder to find any...

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