Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > comp.lang.python > #30652 > unrolled thread

Re: Are ABCs an anti-pattern?

Back to article view | Back to comp.lang.python

This discussion starts older than the indexed window; earlier articles aren't shown. The article labeled Started by below is the oldest one visible, not the original post.

Contents

  Re: Are ABCs an anti-pattern? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-10-02 14:55 -0400

#30652 — Re: Are ABCs an anti-pattern?

On 10/2/2012 10:23 AM, Demian Brecht wrote:
> I don't use them anymore, but I'm curious about others opinions on this
> list...
>
> The more time I spend in Python, discovering what "Pythonic" code is and
> such, it seems that I throw away much in terms of academic learnings as
> far as "OOP correctness" goes. In doing so, I find that, in general,
> overall LOC (yes, I'm aware that this is a poor metric to judge anything
> on), readability and overall quality of code seems to go up. Yes, you
> give the user much more rope to hang themselves with making the general
> assumption that the user knows what they're doing, but we're all
> consenting adults here after all, right? ;)
>
> As an example, I initially had an OAuth 2.0 client library that was
> roughly 450 LOC (using ABCs, adapter patterns for the various flows,
> etc). Dropping this for a more "Pythonic" (at least, what my
> interpretation of Pythonic code is) brought the entire library down to
> 55 LOC. Having said that, the decline in LOC and overall grok-ability
> wasn't entirely due to moving away from ABCs and dropping the use of
> adapters, but it did have quite a bit to do with it).
>
> As such, I see ABCs as somewhat of an anti-pattern in the Python world.
> The concept is obviously essential in non-duck-typed language using
> strict OOP, but does it *really* belong in Python?

ABCs were added (fairly recently) in 3.0 for the reasons given in
http://python.org/dev/peps/pep-3119/
It was expected that it would take awhile for them to see good, pythonic 
uses. We obviously did okay without them up to 2.7.

They are partly informational, partly meant to help duck typing. I don't 
think they are used much in the stdlib (except to register classes) and 
I have not used them myself.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

[toc] | [standalone]

Back to top | Article view | comp.lang.python

csiph-web