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  very weird pandas behavior ryguy7272 <ryanshuell@gmail.com> - 2014-12-20 07:46 -0800
    Re: very weird pandas behavior Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-12-21 13:22 +1100
    Re: very weird pandas behavior ryguy7272 <ryanshuell@gmail.com> - 2014-12-21 04:44 -0800
      Re: very weird pandas behavior Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-12-21 09:19 -0500
    Re: very weird pandas behavior ryguy7272 <ryanshuell@gmail.com> - 2014-12-21 17:01 -0800
      Re: very weird pandas behavior Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-12-22 12:15 +1100
      Re: very weird pandas behavior Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-12-21 20:40 -0500
    Re: very weird pandas behavior oldknackers@googlemail.com - 2014-12-21 17:25 -0800
    Re: very weird pandas behavior ryguy7272 <ryanshuell@gmail.com> - 2014-12-21 18:07 -0800
      Re: very weird pandas behavior Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-12-22 02:51 +0000
    Re: very weird pandas behavior ryguy7272 <ryanshuell@gmail.com> - 2014-12-21 18:09 -0800
    Re: very weird pandas behavior ryguy7272 <ryanshuell@gmail.com> - 2014-12-21 18:25 -0800
      Re: very weird pandas behavior Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-12-22 13:50 +1100
      Re: very weird pandas behavior Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-12-21 18:53 -0800
        Re: very weird pandas behavior wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-12-22 00:16 -0800
      Re: very weird pandas behavior Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-12-22 04:11 +0000
      Re: very weird pandas behavior Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-12-22 15:50 -0500
    Re: very weird pandas behavior oldknackers@googlemail.com - 2014-12-21 22:21 -0800
    Re: very weird pandas behavior ryguy7272 <ryanshuell@gmail.com> - 2014-12-22 07:55 -0800
      Re: very weird pandas behavior Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-12-22 16:39 +0000
      Re: very weird pandas behavior Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-12-22 11:47 -0500
      Re: very weird pandas behavior Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-12-23 04:29 +1100
      Re: very weird pandas behavior Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-12-22 14:15 -0800
        Re: very weird pandas behavior Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-12-23 09:33 +1100
        Re: very weird pandas behavior wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-12-23 01:35 -0800
          Re: very weird pandas behavior Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-12-23 14:35 -0800
            Re: very weird pandas behavior Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-12-24 13:23 +1100
              Re: very weird pandas behavior wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-12-24 00:00 -0800
              Re: very weird pandas behavior wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-12-24 06:19 -0800
      Re: very weird pandas behavior wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-12-26 00:59 -0800

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#82698 — very weird pandas behavior

I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
"pip install pandas"

It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.

Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
import pandas as pd

I get this error.  
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
    import pandas as pd
ImportError: No module named pandas


Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

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#82706

ryguy7272 wrote:

> I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the
> C-prompt, I ran this: "pip install pandas"

C-prompt? Are you maybe running Windows? I'll assume so.


> It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.


Did pip print any output? What did it say?

In particular, I'm looking to see:

(1) What version of Python pip was using.

(2) Where it put the installed version of pandas.

(3) Is there anything to suggest the installation actually failed?

The nature of the problem suggests to me that you might have two different
versions of Python installed. Is that possible?


> Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
> import pandas as pd

What version of Python are you using here? Is it the same as the version
used by pip?

Run this:

import sys
print(sys.version)
print(sys.path)


and COPY AND PASTE the output of those two print lines back here.


> I get this error.
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
>     import pandas as pd
> ImportError: No module named pandas


It looks like you are using some sort of IDE. "pyshell"? Although this is a
long-shot, it's not quite impossible that the IDE is at fault. My
recommendation is to run the vanilla Python interactive interpreter and see
if you get the same problem.

I *think* this should work under Windows. At the DOS prompt, enter:

python

If it launches your usual IDE, exit and we'll have to try again. But if it
launches the vanilla Python interactive interpreter, you should see
something like this:

Python 2.7.2 (default, May 18 2012, 18:25:10)
[GCC 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-52)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

(Yours may have a different version number and date, and should say Windows
rather than Linux.)

Type the following:

import pandas

Does that work now?


Enter `quit()` to exit the interactive interpreter, and try again with

python27

python33

python34

What do they do? Anything different from the above?



> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

I'm 95% sure it will turn out to be version confusion: you have two versions
of Python installed, you used pip to install pandas for version A but then
ran version B.

Otherwise, 3% that the pip installation actually failed, and you just didn't
realise, 1% that it's a problem with the IDE, and 1% something else.



-- 
Steven

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#82718

On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:46:40 AM UTC-5, ryguy7272 wrote:
> I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
> "pip install pandas"
> 
> It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.
> 
> Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
> import pandas as pd
> 
> I get this error.  
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
>     import pandas as pd
> ImportError: No module named pandas
> 
> 
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?


Thanks Steven.  I just tried what you recommended, and got this.

>>> import sys
>>> print(sys.version)
2.7 (r27:82525, Jul  4 2010, 07:43:08) [MSC v.1500 64 bit (AMD64)]
>>> print(sys.path)
['C:\\Python27\\Lib\\idlelib', 'C:\\Python27\\lib\\site-packages\\requests-2.4.3-py2.7.egg', 'C:\\Python27\\lib\\site-packages\\html-1.16-py2.7.egg', 'C:\\Python34', 'C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM32\\python27.zip', 'C:\\Python27\\DLLs', 'C:\\Python27\\lib', 'C:\\Python27\\lib\\plat-win', 'C:\\Python27\\lib\\lib-tk', 'C:\\Python27', 'C:\\Python27\\lib\\site-packages']
>>> 


I also got this.

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.3.9600]
(c) 2013 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Ryan>python
Python 2.7 (r27:82525, Jul  4 2010, 07:43:08) [MSC v.1500 64 bit (AMD64)] on win
32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> python27
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'python27' is not defined
>>> python33
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'python33' is not defined
>>> python34
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'python34' is not defined
>>>

Any idea what's wrong?  

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#82719

On 12/21/2014 07:44 AM, ryguy7272 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:46:40 AM UTC-5, ryguy7272 wrote:
>> I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
>> "pip install pandas"
>
> Thanks Steven.  I just tried what you recommended, and got this.
>
>>>> import sys
>>>> print(sys.version)
> 2.7 (r27:82525, Jul  4 2010, 07:43:08) [MSC v.1500 64 bit (AMD64)]
>>>> print(sys.path)
> ['C:\\Python27\\Lib\\idlelib', 'C:\\Python27\\lib\\site-packages\\requests-2.4.3-py2.7.egg', 'C:\\Python27\\lib\\site-packages\\html-1.16-py2.7.egg', 'C:\\Python34', 'C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM32\\python27.zip', 'C:\\Python27\\DLLs', 'C:\\Python27\\lib', 'C:\\Python27\\lib\\plat-win', 'C:\\Python27\\lib\\lib-tk', 'C:\\Python27', 'C:\\Python27\\lib\\site-packages']
>>>>
>
>
> I also got this.
>
> Microsoft Windows [Version 6.3.9600]
> (c) 2013 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
>
> C:\Users\Ryan>python
> Python 2.7 (r27:82525, Jul  4 2010, 07:43:08) [MSC v.1500 64 bit (AMD64)] on win
> 32
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>> python27
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> NameError: name 'python27' is not defined

python27 and python33 are Windows commands, not Python ones.  You run 
them at the cmd prompt.  Steven suggested those to see what other 
versions of Python you have installed.

And of course the other question is what directory did pandas get 
installed to.   You can find that out with the find command, except that 
you're on Windows.  So I think you'd have to use  dir /s



-- 
DaveA

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#82733

On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:46:40 AM UTC-5, ryguy7272 wrote:
> I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
> "pip install pandas"
> 
> It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.
> 
> Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
> import pandas as pd
> 
> I get this error.  
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
>     import pandas as pd
> ImportError: No module named pandas
> 
> 
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?



Sorry for being so dense here guys!!  I do tons and tons of work with VBA, VB, C#, SQL, R, Matlab, and a little work with Pascal.  I guess that's preventing me from understanding how Python works.  Sorry, but I just don't understand this thing.  I uninstalled Python27 and just reinstalled it.  I open the cmd prompt, and entered two short commands: 'pip install numpy' & 'pip install pandas'.  Then, I got to Python Shell and enter this: 'import numpy' & 'import pandas'.  immediately I get errors.  

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<pyshell#2>", line 1, in <module>
    import numpy
ImportError: No module named numpy

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<pyshell#3>", line 1, in <module>
    import pandas
ImportError: No module named pandas

I guess if I can't do something simple, I can't do anything complex...or anything at all.

Part of the problem is, I don't know why in 2014 we're entering commands in the C-prompt to run a Windows program.  I thought all of that stuff was over in the very early 1990s.  Also, I can't understand why Python can't download this from the Internet.  

If someone can help me figure this out, I'd be most appreciative.  I don't want to give up, but after spending over 6 months learning Python, and reading 15 Python books cover to cover, I don't understand why a simple 'import pandas' can't even work!!  That's about as basic as it gets.

Ugh.

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#82734

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, ryguy7272 <ryanshuell@gmail.com> wrote:
> Part of the problem is, I don't know why in 2014 we're entering commands in the C-prompt to run a Windows program.  I thought all of that stuff was over in the very early 1990s.  Also, I can't understand why Python can't download this from the Internet.
>

You're expecting a GUI to let you pick stuff to install? That probably
exists... as a wrapper around the terminal commands. The command line
has never died, and never will. (I dream of futuristic voice-activated
spaceship computers that respond to "Computer! Console." by revealing
a keyboard and screen with a login prompt.)

Python can download this from the internet; in fact, that's exactly
what the "pip install numpy" command does. However, you have to be
explicit. You don't want the simple "import numpy" command to go and
install some third-party software; that would mean that mistyping it
as "import numpt" would also attempt to install something new, and
immediately run it. That's dangerous, costly (network requests can
take a long time), and definitely not a good idea.

What happened when you ran the 'pip install' lines? Also, what is the
output of 'pip --version' and 'python --version'?

ChrisA

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#82736

On 12/21/2014 08:01 PM, ryguy7272 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:46:40 AM UTC-5, ryguy7272 wrote:
>> I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
>> "pip install pandas"
>>
>> It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.
>>
>> Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
>> import pandas as pd
>>
>> I get this error.
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>    File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
>>      import pandas as pd
>> ImportError: No module named pandas
>>
>>
>> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
>
>
>
> Sorry for being so dense here guys!!  I do tons and tons of work with VBA, VB, C#, SQL, R, Matlab, and a little work with Pascal.
 > I guess that's preventing me from understanding how Python works. 
Sorry, but I just don't understand this thing.

Have you tried reading and responding to the advice you get?  Or do you 
just pick and choose?

>  I uninstalled Python27 and just reinstalled it.

What did you do with the other Python versions that you still haven't 
said whether you have?

>  I open the cmd prompt, and entered two short commands: 'pip install numpy' & 'pip install pandas'.

And they got "command not found" errors, right?  After all, you haven't 
installed PIP yet.  Or if you have, it might be left over from some 
other version of Python.

Have you read anything about PIP?  Have you read the web page:
    https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip/

Perhaps you could try:
     pip show --files numpy

and see where they got installed.  Are they the same place as the Python 
2.7 you just installed?


>  Then, I got to Python Shell and enter this: 'import numpy' & 'import pandas'.  immediately I get errors.
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "<pyshell#2>", line 1, in <module>
>      import numpy
> ImportError: No module named numpy
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "<pyshell#3>", line 1, in <module>
>      import pandas
> ImportError: No module named pandas
>
> I guess if I can't do something simple, I can't do anything complex...or anything at all.
>

If I had any confidence that you were always running the same version of 
Python, from the same installation, then I could suggest more stuff, 
like checking out sys.path and comparing it to the place where PIP 
installed things.

-- 
DaveA

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#82735

On Saturday, December 20, 2014 3:46:40 PM UTC, ryguy7272 wrote:
> I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
> "pip install pandas"
> 
> It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.
> 
> Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
> import pandas as pd
> 
> I get this error.  
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
>     import pandas as pd
> ImportError: No module named pandas
> 
> 
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

It's begining to look like weird behavour from ryguy7272, multipe times asking how to install numpy on python-forum.org and not following the advice given.
http://www.python-forum.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13700&p=23970#p23970
http://www.python-forum.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13748&p=24082#p24082

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#82737

On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:46:40 AM UTC-5, ryguy7272 wrote:
> I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
> "pip install pandas"
> 
> It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.
> 
> Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
> import pandas as pd
> 
> I get this error.  
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
>     import pandas as pd
> ImportError: No module named pandas
> 
> 
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?



Thanks for being patient with me everyone.


I just tried this:
C:\Users\Ryan>pip --version
pip 1.5.6 from C:\Python27\lib (python 2.7)

C:\Users\Ryan>python --version
Python 2.7


I just tried 'pip show --files numpy' in the command prompt; nothing happened.


I'll read that link now.


I know my eyes are not very good...my vision is quite poor...but I'm trying to read this stuff, and I'm trying to figure out what's going on here...

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#82743

On 22/12/2014 02:07, ryguy7272 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:46:40 AM UTC-5, ryguy7272 wrote:
>> I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
>> "pip install pandas"
>>
>> It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.
>>
>> Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
>> import pandas as pd
>>
>> I get this error.
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>    File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
>>      import pandas as pd
>> ImportError: No module named pandas
>>
>>
>> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
>
>
>
> Thanks for being patient with me everyone.
>
>
> I just tried this:
> C:\Users\Ryan>pip --version
> pip 1.5.6 from C:\Python27\lib (python 2.7)
>
> C:\Users\Ryan>python --version
> Python 2.7
>
>
> I just tried 'pip show --files numpy' in the command prompt; nothing happened.
>
>
> I'll read that link now.
>
>
> I know my eyes are not very good...my vision is quite poor...but I'm trying to read this stuff, and I'm trying to figure out what's going on here...
>

Try 'pip --help'.

c:\cpython>pip --help

Usage:
   pip <command> [options]

Commands:
   install                     Install packages.
   uninstall                   Uninstall packages.
   freeze                      Output installed packages in requirements 
format.
   list                        List installed packages.
   show                        Show information about installed packages.
   search                      Search PyPI for packages.
   wheel                       Build wheels from your requirements.
   zip                         DEPRECATED. Zip individual packages.
   unzip                       DEPRECATED. Unzip individual packages.
   bundle                      DEPRECATED. Create pybundles.
   help                        Show help for commands.

General Options:
   -h, --help                  Show help.
   -v, --verbose               Give more output. Option is additive, and 
can be
                               used up to 3 times.
   -V, --version               Show version and exit.
   -q, --quiet                 Give less output.
   --log-file <path>           Path to a verbose non-appending log, that 
only
                               logs failures. This log is active by 
default at
                               C:\Users\Mark\pip\pip.log.
   --log <path>                Path to a verbose appending log. This log is
                               inactive by default.
   --proxy <proxy>             Specify a proxy in the form
                               [user:passwd@]proxy.server:port.
   --timeout <sec>             Set the socket timeout (default 15 seconds).
   --exists-action <action>    Default action when a path already exists:
                               (s)witch, (i)gnore, (w)ipe, (b)ackup.
   --cert <path>               Path to alternate CA bundle.

Having digested the above try 'pip list'.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#82738

On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:46:40 AM UTC-5, ryguy7272 wrote:
> I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
> "pip install pandas"
> 
> It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.
> 
> Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
> import pandas as pd
> 
> I get this error.  
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
>     import pandas as pd
> ImportError: No module named pandas
> 
> 
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?



Ok, if I enter this into the command prompt:

'pip show --files numpy'
'pip show --files pandas'

I get nothing returned from either entry.  That seems ot be a problem!

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#82739

On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:46:40 AM UTC-5, ryguy7272 wrote:
> I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
> "pip install pandas"
> 
> It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.
> 
> Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
> import pandas as pd
> 
> I get this error.  
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
>     import pandas as pd
> ImportError: No module named pandas
> 
> 
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?



I just ran these two commands in the c-prompt:
pip install --upgrade numpy
pip install --upgrade pandas

It seemed like everything was being downloaded and installed.  Seems ok.  Then I go back to the Python Shell and ran 'import numpy' & 'import pandas' and I still get the errors that I got before.

So, I move on to this:
pip uninstall numpy
pip uninstall pandas

It says, cannon uninstall, non installed.

Sorry, but that's what drives me nuts.  I install a few packages, and the messages that I get says the package is installed...then it says it's NOT installed...I don't know what to think...

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#82742

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 1:25 PM, ryguy7272 <ryanshuell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just ran these two commands in the c-prompt:
> pip install --upgrade numpy
> pip install --upgrade pandas
>
> It seemed like everything was being downloaded and installed.  Seems ok.  Then I go back to the Python Shell and ran 'import numpy' & 'import pandas' and I still get the errors that I got before.
>
> So, I move on to this:
> pip uninstall numpy
> pip uninstall pandas
>
> It says, cannon uninstall, non installed.
>
> Sorry, but that's what drives me nuts.  I install a few packages, and the messages that I get says the package is installed...then it says it's NOT installed...I don't know what to think...
>

Lesson #0 of computing: When a program tells you something and you
then ask for help, *copy and paste* the program's output. "It seemed
like" is the most likely source of error here. Maybe there was an
error reported, and you simply didn't recognize it... but by not
showing us the output, you force us to trust your judgment about what
it seemed like.

ChrisA

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#82744

On Monday, December 22, 2014 7:55:50 AM UTC+5:30, ryguy7272 wrote:

> Sorry, but that's what drives me nuts.  I install a few packages, and the messages that I get says the package is installed...then it says it's NOT installed...I don't know what to think...

Its nice to bang the head against the wall (at times)
The wall can feel so cool (at times)

Its also nice to listen

> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:46:40 AM UTC-5, ryguy7272 wrote:
> > I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
> > "pip install pandas"
> > 
> > It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.
> > 
> > Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
> > import pandas as pd
> > 
> > I get this error.  
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
> >     import pandas as pd
> > ImportError: No module named pandas
> > 
> > 
> > Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> I just ran these two commands in the c-prompt:
> pip install --upgrade numpy
> pip install --upgrade pandas
> 
> It seemed like everything was being downloaded and installed.

To whom did it 'seem'?
Best I can see you've been suggested to paste the result of these
commands and you insist on thrashing about and not paying attention.

On a different note:

> Part of the problem is, I don't know why in 2014 we're 
> entering commands in the C-prompt to run a Windows program.  I 
> thought all of that stuff was over in the very early 1990s.  
> Also, I can't understand why Python can't download this from 
> the Internet.

is called culture-clash.
Like going from one side of the Atlantic to the other and complaining
"Why the &^)%% is everyone driving on the wrong side of the road?"

We use the command line a bit out here.
Perhaps less than bash-programmers
More then VB programmers.

You are free to
1. Get used to the different culture
2. Stay in familiar territory
3. Thrash about

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#82758

Le lundi 22 décembre 2014 03:53:28 UTC+1, Rustom Mody a écrit :
> On Monday, December 22, 2014 7:55:50 AM UTC+5:30, ryguy7272 wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, but that's what drives me nuts.  I install a few packages, and the messages that I get says the package is installed...then it says it's NOT installed...I don't know what to think...
> 
> Its nice to bang the head against the wall (at times)
> The wall can feel so cool (at times)
> 
> Its also nice to listen
> 
> > On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:46:40 AM UTC-5, ryguy7272 wrote:
> > > I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
> > > "pip install pandas"
> > > 
> > > It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.
> > > 
> > > Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
> > > import pandas as pd
> > > 
> > > I get this error.  
> > > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > >   File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
> > >     import pandas as pd
> > > ImportError: No module named pandas
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I just ran these two commands in the c-prompt:
> > pip install --upgrade numpy
> > pip install --upgrade pandas
> > 
> > It seemed like everything was being downloaded and installed.
> 
> To whom did it 'seem'?
> Best I can see you've been suggested to paste the result of these
> commands and you insist on thrashing about and not paying attention.
> 
> On a different note:
> 
> > Part of the problem is, I don't know why in 2014 we're 
> > entering commands in the C-prompt to run a Windows program.  I 
> > thought all of that stuff was over in the very early 1990s.  
> > Also, I can't understand why Python can't download this from 
> > the Internet.
> 
> is called culture-clash.
> Like going from one side of the Atlantic to the other and complaining
> "Why the &^)%% is everyone driving on the wrong side of the road?"
> 
> We use the command line a bit out here.
> Perhaps less than bash-programmers
> More then VB programmers.
> 
> You are free to
> 1. Get used to the different culture
> 2. Stay in familiar territory
> 3. Thrash about

Some time ago, for the third time, I attempted
to install ipython. I failed.
I did not even understand what the installation
html page is supposed to explain. Only generic
explainations.

Like the guy (in this thread) who gives the following
advice:

D:\>pip install numpy
'pip' n'est pas reconnu en tant que commande interne
ou externe, un programme exécutable ou un fichier de commandes.

D:\>


It's not a surprised that finally users are preferring
VB.

I need less time to install mono/C# than to visit the
gazillion of (Python) web pages asking "how to install ...."

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#82750

On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 18:25:38 -0800, ryguy7272 wrote:

> I just ran these two commands in the c-prompt: 
> pip install --upgrade numpy
> pip install --upgrade pandas

What is the purpose of the --upgrade switch?

Just run `pip install numpy`, and COPY and PASTE the entire output of pip 
into your reply. Please don't say "it seemed like it installed", because 
your judgement may be wrong.


> It seemed like everything was being downloaded and installed.  Seems ok.
>  Then I go back to the Python Shell and ran 'import numpy' & 'import
> pandas' and I still get the errors that I got before.


I gave you some instructions to try before, but you don't appear to have 
followed them. Let's try again:

(1) First, confirm how many different versions of Python you have 
installed. Please don't reinstall Python again. That doesn't help, if 
anything it may make matters worse.

I suggested that you try running the following commands from the DOS 
prompt (or C-prompt, if you prefer to call it that):

    python27
    python33
    python34

although not being an expert on Windows I'm not sure if there is a better 
way.

Another way may be to use the Windows' Find Files command to look for 
any .exe files with "python" in the name.


(2) Next, try installing numpy and pandas again, only this time don't use 
the --upgrade switch. COPY AND PASTE the output so we can see exactly 
what happened.


(3) Try running the Python shell again. Tell us *what* Python shell you 
are using. Your tracebacks say "<pyshell#19>" which is not standard. What 
are you actually running? Tell us *exactly* what steps you take to run 
the Python shell.


(4) I think you are running some sort of IDE (Integrated Development 
Environment). Are you running a third-party system like Anaconda, or 
possible something like Spyder? If so, then I suggest you check whether 
that third-party system is causing the problem. From the C prompt, just 
run "python" and then try importing numpy and see what happens. Again, 
COPY AND PASTE any output.


(5) Consider that unless you have a C compiler, and possibly a Fortran 
compiler, you may not be able to install numpy from source on your 
system. You may need to find some pre-built packages that match your 
version of Windows.



-- 
Steven

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#82806

On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 18:25:38 -0800 (PST), ryguy7272 <ryanshuell@gmail.com>
declaimed the following:

>It seemed like everything was being downloaded and installed.  Seems ok.  Then I go back to the Python Shell and ran 'import numpy' & 'import pandas' and I still get the errors that I got before.
>
	My first suggestion...

	FORGET THAT PYSHELL EXISTS.

	Heck, I'm not even sure what variant of PyShell you may have -- I've
seen files that invoke Tk and another site mention wx as the background
framework.


>So, I move on to this:
>pip uninstall numpy
>pip uninstall pandas
>
>It says, cannon uninstall, non installed.
>
>Sorry, but that's what drives me nuts.  I install a few packages, and the messages that I get says the package is installed...then it says it's NOT installed...I don't know what to think...

	Which also could be a symptom of having multiple installations of
Python around, with a different one being active at different times.


	From the Windows command line, after doing your 

pip install numpy

enter just 

python

and when that gives you the >>> prompt, try the 

import numpy

	Though personally, given the way this thread has been going, I'd
recommend uninstalling all Python related stuff, searching the drives for
any directory with python in the name and deleting it, then editing the
registry to remove anything mention Python, and lastly running a registry
cleaner.

	Note that I can not get PIP to work for numpy at all, and I know what
my Python configuration looks like...

-=-=-=-=-=-
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents>pip install numpy
Downloading/unpacking numpy
  Downloading numpy-1.9.1.tar.gz (4.0MB): 4.0MB downloaded
  Running setup.py egg_info for package numpy
    Running from numpy source directory.

    warning: no previously-included files matching '*.pyc' found anywhere
in distribution
    warning: no previously-included files matching '*.pyo' found anywhere
in distribution
    warning: no previously-included files matching '*.pyd' found anywhere
in distribution
Installing collected packages: numpy
  Running setup.py install for numpy
    non-existing path in 'numpy\\distutils': 'site.cfg'
    non-existing path in 'numpy\\f2py': 'docs'
    non-existing path in 'numpy\\f2py': 'f2py.1'
    F2PY Version 2
    blas_opt_info:
    blas_mkl_info:
      libraries mkl,vml,guide not found in
['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib', 'C:\\', 'C:\\Python
_x64\\Python27\\libs']
      NOT AVAILABLE

    openblas_info:
      libraries openblas not found in ['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib',
'C:\\', 'C:\\Python_x64\
\Python27\\libs']
      NOT AVAILABLE

    atlas_blas_threads_info:
    Setting PTATLAS=ATLAS
      libraries ptf77blas,ptcblas,atlas not found in
['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib', 'C:\\', '
C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\libs']
      NOT AVAILABLE

    atlas_blas_info:
      libraries f77blas,cblas,atlas not found in
['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib', 'C:\\', 'C:\\
Python_x64\\Python27\\libs']
      NOT AVAILABLE

    blas_info:
      libraries blas not found in ['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib', 'C:\\',
'C:\\Python_x64\\Pyt
hon27\\libs']
      NOT AVAILABLE

    blas_src_info:
      NOT AVAILABLE

      NOT AVAILABLE

    non-existing path in 'numpy\\lib': 'benchmarks'
    lapack_opt_info:
    openblas_lapack_info:
      libraries openblas not found in ['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib',
'C:\\', 'C:\\Python_x64\
\Python27\\libs']
      NOT AVAILABLE

    lapack_mkl_info:
    mkl_info:
      libraries mkl,vml,guide not found in
['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib', 'C:\\', 'C:\\Python
_x64\\Python27\\libs']
      NOT AVAILABLE

      NOT AVAILABLE

    atlas_threads_info:
    Setting PTATLAS=ATLAS
      libraries ptf77blas,ptcblas,atlas not found in
C:\Python_x64\Python27\lib
      libraries lapack_atlas not found in C:\Python_x64\Python27\lib
      libraries ptf77blas,ptcblas,atlas not found in C:\
      libraries lapack_atlas not found in C:\
      libraries ptf77blas,ptcblas,atlas not found in
C:\Python_x64\Python27\libs
      libraries lapack_atlas not found in C:\Python_x64\Python27\libs
    numpy.distutils.system_info.atlas_threads_info
      NOT AVAILABLE

    atlas_info:
      libraries f77blas,cblas,atlas not found in C:\Python_x64\Python27\lib
      libraries lapack_atlas not found in C:\Python_x64\Python27\lib
      libraries f77blas,cblas,atlas not found in C:\
      libraries lapack_atlas not found in C:\
      libraries f77blas,cblas,atlas not found in
C:\Python_x64\Python27\libs
      libraries lapack_atlas not found in C:\Python_x64\Python27\libs
    numpy.distutils.system_info.atlas_info
      NOT AVAILABLE

    lapack_info:
      libraries lapack not found in ['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib',
'C:\\', 'C:\\Python_x64\\P
ython27\\libs']
      NOT AVAILABLE

    lapack_src_info:
      NOT AVAILABLE

      NOT AVAILABLE

    unifing config_cc, config, build_clib, build_ext, build commands
--compiler options
    unifing config_fc, config, build_clib, build_ext, build commands
--fcompiler options
    build_src
    building py_modules sources
    building library "npymath" sources
    No module named msvccompiler in numpy.distutils; trying from distutils
    Running from numpy source directory.

c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip_build_Wulfraed\numpy\numpy\distutils\system_info.py
:1526: UserWarning:
        Atlas (http://math-atlas.sourceforge.net/) libraries not found.
        Directories to search for the libraries can be specified in the
        numpy/distutils/site.cfg file (section [atlas]) or by setting
        the ATLAS environment variable.
      warnings.warn(AtlasNotFoundError.__doc__)

c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip_build_Wulfraed\numpy\numpy\distutils\system_info.py
:1535: UserWarning:
        Blas (http://www.netlib.org/blas/) libraries not found.
        Directories to search for the libraries can be specified in the
        numpy/distutils/site.cfg file (section [blas]) or by setting
        the BLAS environment variable.
      warnings.warn(BlasNotFoundError.__doc__)

c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip_build_Wulfraed\numpy\numpy\distutils\system_info.py
:1538: UserWarning:
        Blas (http://www.netlib.org/blas/) sources not found.
        Directories to search for the sources can be specified in the
        numpy/distutils/site.cfg file (section [blas_src]) or by setting
        the BLAS_SRC environment variable.
      warnings.warn(BlasSrcNotFoundError.__doc__)

c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip_build_Wulfraed\numpy\numpy\distutils\system_info.py
:1432: UserWarning:
        Atlas (http://math-atlas.sourceforge.net/) libraries not found.
        Directories to search for the libraries can be specified in the
        numpy/distutils/site.cfg file (section [atlas]) or by setting
        the ATLAS environment variable.
      warnings.warn(AtlasNotFoundError.__doc__)

c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip_build_Wulfraed\numpy\numpy\distutils\system_info.py
:1443: UserWarning:
        Lapack (http://www.netlib.org/lapack/) libraries not found.
        Directories to search for the libraries can be specified in the
        numpy/distutils/site.cfg file (section [lapack]) or by setting
        the LAPACK environment variable.
      warnings.warn(LapackNotFoundError.__doc__)

c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip_build_Wulfraed\numpy\numpy\distutils\system_info.py
:1446: UserWarning:
        Lapack (http://www.netlib.org/lapack/) sources not found.
        Directories to search for the sources can be specified in the
        numpy/distutils/site.cfg file (section [lapack_src]) or by setting
        the LAPACK_SRC environment variable.
      warnings.warn(LapackSrcNotFoundError.__doc__)
    C:\Python_x64\Python27\lib\distutils\dist.py:267: UserWarning: Unknown
distribution option:
'define_macros'
      warnings.warn(msg)
    error: Unable to find vcvarsall.bat
    Complete output from command C:\Python_x64\Python27\python2.7.exe -c
"import setuptools;__fi
le__='c:\\users\\wulfraed\\appdata\\local\\temp\\pip_build_Wulfraed\\numpy\\setup.py';exec(compi
le(open(__file__).read().replace('\r\n', '\n'), __file__, 'exec'))" install
--record c:\users\wu
lfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip-zvwk8m-record\install-record.txt
--single-version-externally-manag
ed:
    non-existing path in 'numpy\\distutils': 'site.cfg'

non-existing path in 'numpy\\f2py': 'docs'

non-existing path in 'numpy\\f2py': 'f2py.1'

F2PY Version 2

blas_opt_info:

blas_mkl_info:

  libraries mkl,vml,guide not found in ['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib',
'C:\\', 'C:\\Python_x64
\\Python27\\libs']

  NOT AVAILABLE



openblas_info:

  libraries openblas not found in ['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib', 'C:\\',
'C:\\Python_x64\\Pyt
hon27\\libs']

  NOT AVAILABLE



atlas_blas_threads_info:

Setting PTATLAS=ATLAS

  libraries ptf77blas,ptcblas,atlas not found in
['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib', 'C:\\', 'C:\\
Python_x64\\Python27\\libs']

  NOT AVAILABLE



atlas_blas_info:

  libraries f77blas,cblas,atlas not found in
['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib', 'C:\\', 'C:\\Pyth
on_x64\\Python27\\libs']

  NOT AVAILABLE



blas_info:

  libraries blas not found in ['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib', 'C:\\',
'C:\\Python_x64\\Python2
7\\libs']

  NOT AVAILABLE



blas_src_info:

  NOT AVAILABLE



  NOT AVAILABLE



non-existing path in 'numpy\\lib': 'benchmarks'

lapack_opt_info:

openblas_lapack_info:

  libraries openblas not found in ['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib', 'C:\\',
'C:\\Python_x64\\Pyt
hon27\\libs']

  NOT AVAILABLE



lapack_mkl_info:

mkl_info:

  libraries mkl,vml,guide not found in ['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib',
'C:\\', 'C:\\Python_x64
\\Python27\\libs']

  NOT AVAILABLE



  NOT AVAILABLE



atlas_threads_info:

Setting PTATLAS=ATLAS

  libraries ptf77blas,ptcblas,atlas not found in C:\Python_x64\Python27\lib

  libraries lapack_atlas not found in C:\Python_x64\Python27\lib

  libraries ptf77blas,ptcblas,atlas not found in C:\

  libraries lapack_atlas not found in C:\

  libraries ptf77blas,ptcblas,atlas not found in
C:\Python_x64\Python27\libs

  libraries lapack_atlas not found in C:\Python_x64\Python27\libs

numpy.distutils.system_info.atlas_threads_info

  NOT AVAILABLE



atlas_info:

  libraries f77blas,cblas,atlas not found in C:\Python_x64\Python27\lib

  libraries lapack_atlas not found in C:\Python_x64\Python27\lib

  libraries f77blas,cblas,atlas not found in C:\

  libraries lapack_atlas not found in C:\

  libraries f77blas,cblas,atlas not found in C:\Python_x64\Python27\libs

  libraries lapack_atlas not found in C:\Python_x64\Python27\libs

numpy.distutils.system_info.atlas_info

  NOT AVAILABLE



lapack_info:

  libraries lapack not found in ['C:\\Python_x64\\Python27\\lib', 'C:\\',
'C:\\Python_x64\\Pytho
n27\\libs']

  NOT AVAILABLE



lapack_src_info:

  NOT AVAILABLE



  NOT AVAILABLE



running install

running build

running config_cc

unifing config_cc, config, build_clib, build_ext, build commands --compiler
options

running config_fc

unifing config_fc, config, build_clib, build_ext, build commands
--fcompiler options

running build_src

build_src

building py_modules sources

creating build

creating build\src.win-amd64-2.7

creating build\src.win-amd64-2.7\numpy

creating build\src.win-amd64-2.7\numpy\distutils

building library "npymath" sources

No module named msvccompiler in numpy.distutils; trying from distutils

Running from numpy source directory.

c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip_build_Wulfraed\numpy\numpy\distutils\system_info.py:152
6: UserWarning:

    Atlas (http://math-atlas.sourceforge.net/) libraries not found.

    Directories to search for the libraries can be specified in the

    numpy/distutils/site.cfg file (section [atlas]) or by setting

    the ATLAS environment variable.

  warnings.warn(AtlasNotFoundError.__doc__)

c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip_build_Wulfraed\numpy\numpy\distutils\system_info.py:153
5: UserWarning:

    Blas (http://www.netlib.org/blas/) libraries not found.

    Directories to search for the libraries can be specified in the

    numpy/distutils/site.cfg file (section [blas]) or by setting

    the BLAS environment variable.

  warnings.warn(BlasNotFoundError.__doc__)

c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip_build_Wulfraed\numpy\numpy\distutils\system_info.py:153
8: UserWarning:

    Blas (http://www.netlib.org/blas/) sources not found.

    Directories to search for the sources can be specified in the

    numpy/distutils/site.cfg file (section [blas_src]) or by setting

    the BLAS_SRC environment variable.

  warnings.warn(BlasSrcNotFoundError.__doc__)

c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip_build_Wulfraed\numpy\numpy\distutils\system_info.py:143
2: UserWarning:

    Atlas (http://math-atlas.sourceforge.net/) libraries not found.

    Directories to search for the libraries can be specified in the

    numpy/distutils/site.cfg file (section [atlas]) or by setting

    the ATLAS environment variable.

  warnings.warn(AtlasNotFoundError.__doc__)

c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip_build_Wulfraed\numpy\numpy\distutils\system_info.py:144
3: UserWarning:

    Lapack (http://www.netlib.org/lapack/) libraries not found.

    Directories to search for the libraries can be specified in the

    numpy/distutils/site.cfg file (section [lapack]) or by setting

    the LAPACK environment variable.

  warnings.warn(LapackNotFoundError.__doc__)

c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip_build_Wulfraed\numpy\numpy\distutils\system_info.py:144
6: UserWarning:

    Lapack (http://www.netlib.org/lapack/) sources not found.

    Directories to search for the sources can be specified in the

    numpy/distutils/site.cfg file (section [lapack_src]) or by setting

    the LAPACK_SRC environment variable.

  warnings.warn(LapackSrcNotFoundError.__doc__)

C:\Python_x64\Python27\lib\distutils\dist.py:267: UserWarning: Unknown
distribution option: 'def
ine_macros'

  warnings.warn(msg)

error: Unable to find vcvarsall.bat

----------------------------------------
Cleaning up...
Command C:\Python_x64\Python27\python2.7.exe -c "import
setuptools;__file__='c:\\users\\wulfraed
\\appdata\\local\\temp\\pip_build_Wulfraed\\numpy\\setup.py';exec(compile(open(__file__).read().
replace('\r\n', '\n'), __file__, 'exec'))" install --record
c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp
\pip-zvwk8m-record\install-record.txt --single-version-externally-managed
failed with error code
 1 in c:\users\wulfraed\appdata\local\temp\pip_build_Wulfraed\numpy
Storing complete log in C:\Users\Wulfraed\pip\pip.log

C:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-

	I downloaded a package from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/numpy/files/NumPy/1.7.0/ and that installed
(with one problem -- my default Python is 64-bit, but the prebuilt
installer is for the 32-bit version... When I explicitly start the 32-bit,
the import succeeds).

C:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents>python
ActivePython 2.7.5.6 (ActiveState Software Inc.) based on
Python 2.7.5 (default, Sep 16 2013, 23:11:01) [MSC v.1500 64 bit (AMD64)]
on win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import numpy
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: No module named numpy
>>> ^Z


C:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents>c:\Python_x86\Python27\python
ActivePython 2.7.5.6 (ActiveState Software Inc.) based on
Python 2.7.5 (default, Sep 16 2013, 23:16:52) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
on win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import numpy
>>>


-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#82754

On Saturday, December 20, 2014 3:46:40 PM UTC, ryguy7272 wrote:
> I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
> "pip install pandas"
> 
> It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.
> 
> Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
> import pandas as pd
> 
> I get this error.  
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
>     import pandas as pd
> ImportError: No module named pandas
> 
> 
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Take a look at ryguy7272's previous questions here
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.lang.python/ryguy7272
which take no notice of advice given.

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#82782

On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:46:40 AM UTC-5, ryguy7272 wrote:
> I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
> "pip install pandas"
> 
> It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.
> 
> Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
> import pandas as pd
> 
> I get this error.  
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
>     import pandas as pd
> ImportError: No module named pandas
> 
> 
> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?




Thanks Rustom.  That is insightful advice, indeed.  I will cherish your wisdom.


To everyone else, I'm going back to VBA, VB, C#, Java, SQL, SSIS, R, & Matlab, simply because all of those work perfectly fine.  I have countless ways to do everything in the world.  For me, Python was just another way to do, what I already do now.  

I don't have time to screw around with all kind of nonsense that doesn't do anything, other than tell me 1+1=2.  That pretty much the only thing that works in Python.  To do anything more complex, seems impossible.  Rather than make the impossible become possible, I'd rather focus on things that help me do stuff (like process 100,000 man-hours of work in less than 1 hour).  Learning Python was both fun & frustrating.  If you need to waste time, work with Python.  If you need to do real work, use any on the following: VBA, VB, C#, Java, SQL, R, & Matlab.  I just uninstalled Python and deleted 15 Python books that I found online.  AHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh!  I feel great!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's all.

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#82788

On 22/12/2014 15:55, ryguy7272 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:46:40 AM UTC-5, ryguy7272 wrote:
>> I downloaded pandas and put it in my python directory, then, at the C-prompt, I ran this:
>> "pip install pandas"
>>
>> It looks like everything downloaded and installed fine.  Great.
>>
>> Now, in Python Shell, I enter this:
>> import pandas as pd
>>
>> I get this error.
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>    File "<pyshell#19>", line 1, in <module>
>>      import pandas as pd
>> ImportError: No module named pandas
>>
>>
>> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Rustom.  That is insightful advice, indeed.  I will cherish your wisdom.
>
>
> To everyone else, I'm going back to VBA, VB, C#, Java, SQL, SSIS, R, & Matlab, simply because all of those work perfectly fine.  I have countless ways to do everything in the world.  For me, Python was just another way to do, what I already do now.
>
> I don't have time to screw around with all kind of nonsense that doesn't do anything, other than tell me 1+1=2.  That pretty much the only thing that works in Python.  To do anything more complex, seems impossible.  Rather than make the impossible become possible, I'd rather focus on things that help me do stuff (like process 100,000 man-hours of work in less than 1 hour).  Learning Python was both fun & frustrating.  If you need to waste time, work with Python.  If you need to do real work, use any on the following: VBA, VB, C#, Java, SQL, R, & Matlab.  I just uninstalled Python and deleted 15 Python books that I found online.  AHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh!  I feel great!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> That's all.
>

https://www.python.org/about/success/ "Python is part of the winning 
formula for productivity, software quality, and maintainability at many 
companies and institutions around the world. Here are 41 real-life 
Python success stories, classified by application domain."

So it looks as if this is yet another case of a bad workman always 
blames his tools, we seem to have had a lot of them this year.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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