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  Re: Python for philosophers Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-05-11 13:10 -0700
    Re: Python for philosophers alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-05-11 15:16 -0700
      Re: Python for philosophers rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-05-11 21:22 -0700
        Re: Python for philosophers rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-05-11 21:45 -0700
          Re: Python for philosophers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-05-12 05:17 +0000
            Re: Python for philosophers Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2013-05-12 04:15 -0400
              Re: Python for philosophers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-05-12 14:32 +0000
            Re: Python for philosophers Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-05-12 13:25 -0400
        Re: Python for philosophers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-12 14:47 +1000

#45154 — Re: Python for philosophers

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Citizen Kant <citizenkant@gmail.com> wrote:
>[...] the starting question I make to myself about Python is: which is the single
> and most basic use of Python as the entity it is? I mean, beside
> programming, what's the single and most basic result one can expect from
> "interacting" with it directly (interactive mode)? I roughly came to the
> idea that Python could be considered as an economic mirror for data, one
> that mainly mirrors the data the programmer types on its black surface, not
> exactly as the programmer originally typed it, but expressed in the most
> economic way possible. That's to say, for example, if one types >>>1+1
> Python reflects >>>2. When data appears between apostrophes, then the mirror
> reflects, again, the same but expressed in the most economic way possible
> (that's to say without the apostrophes).

Wow.  You must be from another planet.  Find Socrates if you wish to
know these things.  He's from there also.

A-dam.

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#45156

On 12 May, 06:10, Mark Janssen <dreamingforw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow.  You must be from another planet.  Find Socrates if you wish to
> know these things.  He's from there also.

Now now, there's no need for a turf war, there's plenty of room on
this list for crazies.

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#45174

On May 12, 3:16 am, alex23 <wuwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12 May, 06:10, Mark Janssen <dreamingforw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow.  You must be from another planet.  Find Socrates if you wish to
> > know these things.  He's from there also.
>
> Now now, there's no need for a turf war, there's plenty of room on
> this list for crazies.

I'm reminded of this:

Conversation between inmate and attendant in an asylum

Inmate: I am Napoleon
Attendant: Yes of course. But how did you know that?
Inmate: God himself told me s…
[Loud voice from another corner] I told you no such thing!

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#45175

On May 12, 9:22 am, rusi <rustompm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 12, 3:16 am, alex23 <wuwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 12 May, 06:10, Mark Janssen <dreamingforw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Wow.  You must be from another planet.  Find Socrates if you wish to
> > > know these things.  He's from there also.
>
> > Now now, there's no need for a turf war, there's plenty of room on
> > this list for crazies.
>
> I'm reminded of this:
>
> Conversation between inmate and attendant in an asylum
>
> Inmate: I am Napoleon
> Attendant: Yes of course. But how did you know that?
> Inmate: God himself told me s…
> [Loud voice from another corner] I told you no such thing!

I have on occasion expressed that newcomers to this list should be
treated with more gentleness than others.
And since my own joking may be taken amiss, let me hasten to add (to
the OP -- Citizen Kant)

What you are looking for is more in line with what is called
'rewriting systems'
And the shortening you talk of is usually called 'canonical form' or
'normal form'

Python is closer to such than traditional imperative/OO languages like
C/C++/Java, though other languages -- usually called 'functional
language' are generally closer to this ideal.

The most mainstream of these today is probably 'Haskell'
For your purposes however you may want to look at functional languages
that are more explicitly based on rewriting such as 'Pure' (earlier
'Q')

For last http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_%28programming_language%29

For rest: Ive tried to put into quotes things that could he helpful
starting points for search engine research

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#45177

On Sat, 11 May 2013 21:45:12 -0700, rusi wrote:

> I have on occasion expressed that newcomers to this list should be
> treated with more gentleness than others. And since my own joking may be
> taken amiss, let me hasten to add (to the OP -- Citizen Kant)

A noble aim, but I have a feeling that "Citizen Kant" is version 2.0 of 
88888 Dihedral.

Of course, I could be wrong.


-- 
Steven

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#45179

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 May 2013 21:45:12 -0700, rusi wrote:
>
>> I have on occasion expressed that newcomers to this list should be
>> treated with more gentleness than others. And since my own joking may be
>> taken amiss, let me hasten to add (to the OP -- Citizen Kant)
>
> A noble aim, but I have a feeling that "Citizen Kant" is version 2.0 of
> 88888 Dihedral.
>
> Of course, I could be wrong.

Without benefit of the doubt, kindness is impossible. I would suggest
giving newcomers at least that much.

-- Devin

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#45183

On Sun, 12 May 2013 04:15:30 -0400, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:

> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 May 2013 21:45:12 -0700, rusi wrote:
>>
>>> I have on occasion expressed that newcomers to this list should be
>>> treated with more gentleness than others. And since my own joking may
>>> be taken amiss, let me hasten to add (to the OP -- Citizen Kant)
>>
>> A noble aim, but I have a feeling that "Citizen Kant" is version 2.0 of
>> 88888 Dihedral.
>>
>> Of course, I could be wrong.
> 
> Without benefit of the doubt, kindness is impossible.

That is a logical non sequitor. One can choose to be kind to someone even 
if you have no doubt that they do not deserve it.

Besides, kindness is hard to define. Is it kinder to give somebody what 
they want, or what they need?

> I would suggest giving newcomers at least that much.

I'm happy to say that, based on Citizen Kant's second post, I'm now 
reasonably confident that (s)he is not a bot. No mere artificial 
intelligence could have written that second post.



-- 
Steven

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#45192

On 12 May 2013 05:17:57 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:

> On Sat, 11 May 2013 21:45:12 -0700, rusi wrote:
> 
> > I have on occasion expressed that newcomers to this list should be
> > treated with more gentleness than others. And since my own joking may be
> > taken amiss, let me hasten to add (to the OP -- Citizen Kant)
> 
> A noble aim, but I have a feeling that "Citizen Kant" is version 2.0 of 
> 88888 Dihedral.
> 
> Of course, I could be wrong.

	Oh dear... You imply that v2.0 can /initiate/ threads, not just
reply to them?
-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
        wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#45176

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 2:22 PM, rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 12, 3:16 am, alex23 <wuwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12 May, 06:10, Mark Janssen <dreamingforw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Wow.  You must be from another planet.  Find Socrates if you wish to
>> > know these things.  He's from there also.
>>
>> Now now, there's no need for a turf war, there's plenty of room on
>> this list for crazies.
>
> I'm reminded of this:
>
> Conversation between inmate and attendant in an asylum
>
> Inmate: I am Napoleon
> Attendant: Yes of course. But how did you know that?
> Inmate: God himself told me s…
> [Loud voice from another corner] I told you no such thing!

Who's been telling you of private conversations between Steven and me?

ChrisA

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