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  List spam "Jason Staudenmayer" <jasons@adventureaquarium.com> - 2011-08-18 08:58 -0400
    Re: List spam Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> - 2011-08-18 16:48 +0200
      Re: List spam gene heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2011-08-18 12:14 -0400
        Re: List spam Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-08-19 08:26 +1000
      Re: List spam Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-08-18 16:07 -0400
      Re: List spam Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-08-19 12:23 +1000
    Re: List spam gene heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2011-08-18 17:19 -0400
    RE: List spam "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2011-08-18 18:20 -0400
      Re: List spam Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-08-18 23:03 +0000
        Re: List spam Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-08-19 00:31 +0100

#11747 — List spam

I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get scanned before it sent to the list?

Jason
 
 
 
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#11760

"Jason Staudenmayer" <jasons@adventureaquarium.com> writes:

> I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of
> spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get
> scanned before it sent to the list?

I'm using nntp to read this newsgroup (through an academic server).
No spam at all.

-- Alain.

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#11777

On Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:08:38 PM Alain Ketterlin did opine:

> "Jason Staudenmayer" <jasons@adventureaquarium.com> writes:
> > I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of
> > spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get
> > scanned before it sent to the list?
> 
> I'm using nntp to read this newsgroup (through an academic server).
> No spam at all.
> 
> -- Alain.

Which I think re-enforces the conclusion I have reached, and that is that 
the most obnoxious spammer here is injecting his spam directly to a machine 
handling google's groups that is downstream of any filtering they claim to 
do.  Short answer is to disconnect the the NNTP link and make this list 
into a REAL mailing list.  Subscribers only, or get past a GOOD captcha.
Spammers have stuff that can do the average captcha in a second or less, so 
choose the images wisely and randomize both the background and the text.

Cheers, gene
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
The state of innocence contains the germs of all future sin.
		-- Alexandre Arnoux, "Etudes et caprices"

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#11813

gene heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> writes:

> Short answer is to disconnect the the NNTP link and make this list
> into a REAL mailing list. Subscribers only, or get past a GOOD
> captcha.

Many of the more valuable contributors post via NNTP, which does not
require mailing list subscription nor CAPTCHA.

One of the compelling features of this forum is that newcomers to Python
can post here without the hurdles you're describing.

-- 
 \           “We spend the first twelve months of our children's lives |
  `\          teaching them to walk and talk and the next twelve years |
_o__)           telling them to sit down and shut up.” —Phyllis Diller |
Ben Finney

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#11805

On 8/18/2011 12:14 PM, gene heskett wrote:

> into a REAL mailing list.  Subscribers only, or get past a GOOD captcha.

I just had an idea. Ask 'What is python? __________________" or "What 
can you do with a python?' with a free-form fill in the blank answer. 
Look for 'computer', 'program' or 'language' in the response. 'snake' 
fails the test.

Or 'Enter a Python keyword (search the tutorial if you do not know any) 
____'


-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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#11827

Alain Ketterlin wrote:

> "Jason Staudenmayer" <jasons@adventureaquarium.com> writes:
> 
>> I really like this list as part of my learning tools but the amount of
>> spam that I've been getting from it is CRAZY. Doesn't anything get
>> scanned before it sent to the list?
> 
> I'm using nntp to read this newsgroup (through an academic server).
> No spam at all.


I'm also using nntp (Usenet) and see very little spam. There was a flurry of
about ten *extremely* obnoxious pr0n spams in a row, and the occasional odd
one here or there, but generally I see hardly any.

It is ironic that some people say that the solution to the spam problem is
to move to Google Groups, because most of the spam comes *from* Google
Groups. 


-- 
Steven

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#11808

On Thursday, August 18, 2011 05:18:42 PM Terry Reedy did opine:

> On 8/18/2011 12:14 PM, gene heskett wrote:
> > into a REAL mailing list.  Subscribers only, or get past a GOOD
> > captcha.
> 
> I just had an idea. Ask 'What is python? __________________" or "What
> can you do with a python?' with a free-form fill in the blank answer.
> Look for 'computer', 'program' or 'language' in the response. 'snake'
> fails the test.
> 
> Or 'Enter a Python keyword (search the tutorial if you do not know any)
> ____'

Sounds good, but now you've trained the spammer who is without a doubt 
watching this list.
  
Cheers, gene
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
QOTD:
	"I may not be able to walk, but I drive from the sitting position."

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#11812

>> Or 'Enter a Python keyword (search the tutorial if you do not know any)
>> ____'
>
>Sounds good, but now you've trained the spammer who is without a doubt 
>watching this list.

Teach them Python before they can post, I like it!

Ramit


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#11816

On 2011-08-18, Prasad, Ramit <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> wrote:
>>> Or 'Enter a Python keyword (search the tutorial if you do not know any)
>>> ____'
>>
>>Sounds good, but now you've trained the spammer who is without a doubt 
>>watching this list.
> 
> Teach them Python before they can post, I like it!

I don't.  If I want to get started in a language, I might well want to
read about it a bit, and maybe ask questions like "what is a good book
for me to start with?"

If I have to know the language to do that, well...

-s
-- 
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http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!
I am not speaking for my employer, although they do rent some of my opinions.

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#11819

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> wrote:
> I don't.  If I want to get started in a language, I might well want to
> read about it a bit, and maybe ask questions like "what is a good book
> for me to start with?"
>
> If I have to know the language to do that, well...
>

When I start with a language, I want two things: a
compiler/interpreter, and online documentation. (A book would be
equivalent to the latter, but I tend to prefer to read things online.)
Asking questions comes later; first, I want to get a comprehension for
the language's features. By the time I join a list like this, I want
to be able to understand the answers I get.

ChrisA

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