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  Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@tysdomain.com> - 2011-02-01 09:29 -0700
    Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. Red John <redjohn367@gmail.com> - 2011-02-03 01:14 -0800
    Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. rantingrick <rantingrick@gmail.com> - 2011-02-01 10:23 -0800
      Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. Mel <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2011-02-02 23:44 -0500
      Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. rantingrick <rantingrick@gmail.com> - 2011-02-02 11:44 -0800
        Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. Noah Hall <enalicho@gmail.com> - 2011-02-02 21:43 +0000
        Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. rantingrick <rantingrick@gmail.com> - 2011-02-02 13:45 -0800
        Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2011-02-02 20:10 -0800
      Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2011-02-02 20:03 -0800
      Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. Red John <redjohn367@gmail.com> - 2011-02-02 10:12 -0800
    Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. rantingrick <rantingrick@gmail.com> - 2011-02-01 09:26 -0800
      Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation. Red John <redjohn367@gmail.com> - 2011-02-01 09:52 -0800

#55515 — Re: IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation.

 >See now you are offering truth in your argument! Keep this up and i'll
 >move you over to the occasional flamers group. Then over time, if you
 >can demonstrate an ability to engage in lively discussion based on
 >facts and not emotion, i *may* even move you into the moderates group.
O no, whatever shall I do. I apparently have no hope of being moved into 
the moderates group because I don't agree with him. I hope everyone will 
excuse me now, I must dash off to slit  my wrists in a tub of warm water 
and listen to Free Bird, while morning over the fact that I may *never* 
get moved into RR's moderate's group. Tisk tisk.

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#55528

On Feb 2, 9:03 pm, alex23 <wuwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> rantingrick <rantingr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
> > last he posted was a year ago!
>
> Wait, I thought you had the approval of the silent majority?
>
> So once anyone actually posts, they lost the right to be counted,
> because only when they shut up can you consider them allies?

Lulz, +1 internetz for you

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#55532

On Feb 1, 11:52 am, Red John <redjohn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Go away. You are easily one of the worst (and definitely most
> annoying) person I've encountered in person or online, which is saying
> something because I used to frequent 4chan.

Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
last he posted was a year ago! Alright, let me add you to the proper
category...

py> troll_group.append("Red John")

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#55623

alex23 wrote:

>> Why is it necessarily for you guys to advertise when you plonk. Just
>> plonk and shut up about it. Nobody cares what you do with your own
>> incoming email. Really, are you that self centered as to think we
>> actually care?
> 
> Citation: http://goo.gl/LlBFj

Actually, FWIW, not everybody advertises plonks.

	Mel.

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#55684

On Feb 2, 12:12 pm, Red John <redjohn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 11:23 am, rantingrick <rantingr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
> > last he posted was a year ago! Alright, let me add you to the proper
> > category...
>
> > py> troll_group.append("Red John")
>
> I realize that not agreeing with you is enough to be labeled a troll -
> which is fine with me, a lot of my favorite posters were in that
> group :) - but I fail to see how it's relevant that I prefer reading
> others' ideas.

Here let me show you why you find yourself in the company of trolls...

Red John said:
> Go away. You are easily one of the worst (and definitely most
> annoying) person I've encountered in person or online, which is
> saying  something because I used to frequent 4chan.

That is all you have brought to this conversion so far. You have not
offered solutions for IDLE, heck you don't even inject an opinion of
IDLE. You just spew bile. Have fun with your new playmates.

py> flamer_group.append(troll_group.pop("Corey Richardson"))

Your moving up Corey. Keep up the good work!

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#55713

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Emile van Sebille <emile@fenx.com> wrote:
> ActivePython 2.6.1.1 (ActiveState Software Inc.) based on
> Python 2.6.1 (r261:67515, Dec  5 2008, 13:58:38) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
> on
> win32
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>> import sys
>>>> sys.ps1
> '>>> '
>>>> sys.ps1="py>"
> py>

I know how to do it already, thanks, but I've never seen it native. ;)

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#55799

On Feb 2, 2:41 pm, Corey Richardson <kb1...@aim.com> wrote:

> I don't recall ever doing anything but injecting my honest opinion. If
> my opinion may be flawed (or appears to be flawed, I usually don't
> elaborate on my ideas enough), so be it.

Yes you are correct. When i added you to the troll list that was by
accident. You are obviously not a troll and probably not a flamer
either. Anyone willing to offer help is a moderate so there you go...

py> moderate_group.append(flamer_group.pop("Corey Richardson"))

> Will you be forking IDLE and setting up some sort of tracker for
> improvements?

No because we already have a bug tracker set up for IDLE. Why create
another one? We just need the "powers that be" to start accepting
major changes to the IDLE library at hand. There is not even enough
interest to get minor changes committed. A fork would be the best idea
however i am not going to start it alone. If someone else wants to
start a fork be my guest, i will be happy to help out once the fork is
established.

However i am always very reluctant to start these things because the
powers that be have not even expressed even the *smallest* interest in
change. Sure Raymond, and Terry are interested but how about the
others? We have yet to hear from the other BIG players. All we have
gotten so far is trolling, threating, and negativity from a few very
loud naysayers.

Now, after all this uphill battle i have fought only two brave souls
(Corey and Richard) have showed an interest in actually doing
something. And believe me i thank them! These are great people! But
were is the blessing from on high? Where is Steve Holden on this? Is
he too busy with $295.00 per session O-Reilly classes to stop by and
give his blessing.  Were is py-dev on this? I know these folks have
*real* work to do however a quick "we're with you guys!", or a simple
"break a leg!" would be very helpful.

And last but not least, were oh were has our BDFL gone? For years he
has hidden his face from us at c.l.py. We have walked in the shadows
for far too long Guido. Were is YOUR opinion on these things. When
will you weigh in on these very important issues? When!

Are we not worthy of a simple:

 "Yes, improving IDLE's code base sounds good to me."

or a simple:

 "Sorry, i don't think we should worry about that because X,Y,Z."

Come on Guido we need your input already! If some big players would
show even the smallest support for improving IDLE (or any module) then
that positivity would propagate down to the rest of us. The naysayers
would stop trolling and the silent majority would start getting
involved.

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#55980

rantingrick <rantingr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That is all you have brought to this conversion so far. You have not
> offered solutions for IDLE, heck you don't even inject an opinion of
> IDLE. You just spew bile. Have fun with your new playmates.
>
> py> flamer_group.append(troll_group.pop("Corey Richardson"))

Ah, the hypocrisy. It feels like only a few days ago that I read:

> Why is it necessarily for you guys to advertise when you plonk. Just
> plonk and shut up about it. Nobody cares what you do with your own
> incoming email. Really, are you that self centered as to think we
> actually care?

Citation: http://goo.gl/LlBFj

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#55992

rantingrick <rantingr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
> last he posted was a year ago!

Wait, I thought you had the approval of the silent majority?

So once anyone actually posts, they lost the right to be counted,
because only when they shut up can you consider them allies?

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#56109

On Feb 1, 11:23 am, rantingrick <rantingr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
> last he posted was a year ago! Alright, let me add you to the proper
> category...
>
> py> troll_group.append("Red John")

I realize that not agreeing with you is enough to be labeled a troll -
which is fine with me, a lot of my favorite posters were in that
group :) - but I fail to see how it's relevant that I prefer reading
others' ideas.

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#55620

On Feb 1, 10:29 am, "Littlefield, Tyler" <ty...@tysdomain.com> wrote:

> I hope everyone will
> excuse me now, I must dash off to slit  my wrists in a tub of warm water
> and listen to Free Bird,

Free Bird! hmm, I would have chosen Chopin's nocturne 48-1 or 72-1 if
i was feeling rather melancholy at the moment. Then there is always
the funeral march if you really want to lay it on thick. However the
march does have a rather lengthy "hopeful" section that may make you
give second thoughts. Or perhaps the Berceuse in D-flat Major as a
final glorious celebration of life as one journeys beyond the edge of
transcendence. If there is a heaven it must sound like this...

   http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=8TQ-AXJZqtg

...only a man who suffered so greatly can know what true beauty is.
RIP Chopin.

If you're going to met your end it should be at least to a piece that
is truly timeless -- not some reefer+jack induced rockabilly ballad!

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#55631

On Feb 1, 10:26 am, rantingrick <rantingr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 10:29 am, "Littlefield, Tyler" <ty...@tysdomain.com> wrote:
>
> > I hope everyone will
> > excuse me now, I must dash off to slit  my wrists in a tub of warm water
> > and listen to Free Bird,
>
> Free Bird! hmm, I would have chosen Chopin's nocturne 48-1 or 72-1 if
> i was feeling rather melancholy at the moment. Then there is always
> the funeral march if you really want to lay it on thick. However the
> march does have a rather lengthy "hopeful" section that may make you
> give second thoughts. Or perhaps the Berceuse in D-flat Major as a
> final glorious celebration of life as one journeys beyond the edge of
> transcendence. If there is a heaven it must sound like this...
>
>    http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=8TQ-AXJZqtg
>
> ...only a man who suffered so greatly can know what true beauty is.
> RIP Chopin.
>
> If you're going to met your end it should be at least to a piece that
> is truly timeless -- not some reefer+jack induced rockabilly ballad!

Go away. You are easily one of the worst (and definitely most
annoying) person I've encountered in person or online, which is saying
something because I used to frequent 4chan.

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