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| Started by | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| First post | 2012-09-25 09:15 +0100 |
| Last post | 2012-09-27 17:59 -0700 |
| Articles | 15 on this page of 135 — 30 participants |
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Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-25 09:15 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2012-09-25 09:26 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-09-25 09:44 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-25 15:35 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 01:48 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Ramchandra Apte <maniandram01@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 02:28 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 05:39 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2012-09-26 09:30 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Matej Cepl <mcepl@redhat.com> - 2012-09-27 00:44 +0200
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-27 00:44 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 15:37 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-27 06:01 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 16:08 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-27 13:59 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 00:32 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2012-09-28 01:22 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Jason Friedman <jason@powerpull.net> - 2012-09-27 21:05 -0600
Re: Article on the future of Python "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@tysdomain.com> - 2012-09-27 21:14 -0600
Re: Article on the future of Python Wayne Werner <wayne@waynewerner.com> - 2012-09-27 22:37 -0500
Re: Article on the future of Python Greg Donald <gdonald@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 22:50 -0500
Re: Article on the future of Python Greg Donald <gdonald@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 23:12 -0500
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 14:37 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python rurpy@yahoo.com - 2012-09-28 08:52 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python rurpy@yahoo.com - 2012-09-28 08:52 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-09-28 10:31 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-29 00:58 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 09:14 -0600
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-29 01:20 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 12:20 +0300
Re: Article on the future of Python Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-09-25 12:13 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-25 10:27 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python "Martin P. Hellwig" <martin.hellwig@gmail.com> - 2012-09-25 06:56 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python "Martin P. Hellwig" <martin.hellwig@gmail.com> - 2012-09-25 06:56 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-25 18:25 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-09-25 16:34 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-25 23:35 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-26 07:23 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 02:31 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 19:55 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 07:19 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 00:24 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 07:50 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 00:56 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 08:17 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 08:17 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 16:08 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 01:18 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 08:45 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 08:45 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-27 09:33 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Alex Strickland <sscc@mweb.co.za> - 2012-09-27 12:43 +0200
Re: Article on the future of Python Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 15:46 +0300
Re: Article on the future of Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 09:06 -0600
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 17:03 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 20:17 +0300
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-27 12:09 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 21:16 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 08:00 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-27 12:09 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-09-27 15:08 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-28 10:16 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 07:50 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 07:19 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-27 00:36 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-26 09:52 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 03:04 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-26 10:32 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 11:35 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 14:21 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 09:53 -0600
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 09:18 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 09:18 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-09-26 00:17 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 03:39 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 17:44 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 04:11 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-09-26 04:13 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 05:19 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 23:43 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-09-26 09:08 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-09-26 19:24 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 05:19 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 09:34 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 05:17 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 17:14 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2012-09-27 01:37 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-09-26 05:17 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 09:37 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 18:44 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 04:45 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 04:47 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 10:01 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-27 00:40 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 02:10 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 05:09 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@tysdomain.com> - 2012-09-26 07:31 -0600
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 14:43 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 23:51 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-09-26 09:05 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-09-26 16:27 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 18:38 -0700
Re: Fwd: Re: Article on the future of Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-09-26 19:29 -0400
Re: Fwd: Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 09:42 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-26 00:54 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-25 18:04 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 14:10 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-26 05:16 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-26 16:02 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-25 23:09 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 09:32 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Hannu Krosing <hannu@krosing.net> - 2012-09-26 12:01 +0200
Re: Article on the future of Python Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-09-26 09:01 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-26 14:28 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-09-26 13:22 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-27 06:13 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 08:11 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-27 14:25 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 12:16 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 17:59 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 14:50 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-29 03:07 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 17:45 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 02:49 +1000
Re: Article on the future of Python Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 12:50 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 17:58 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-09-27 09:53 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-09-27 15:32 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2012-09-28 08:06 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 03:22 -0400
Re: Article on the future of Python rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 05:08 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-28 12:54 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-09-28 06:14 -0700
Re: Article on the future of Python Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-28 16:33 +0000
Re: Article on the future of Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-27 17:47 +0100
Re: Article on the future of Python alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-09-27 17:59 -0700
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2012-09-29 03:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <506665e8$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #30426 |
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:50:14 -0400, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > I'm pretty sure nobody thinks Python is on a death march. Don't be so sure. There's always *someone* complaining about something, and they're usually convinced that (Language X) is on it's last legs because (feature Y) is missing or (event Z) happened. Seriously. If you believe the haters and the complainers, Python will never be taken seriously as a language because: - it has significant whitespace. - it doesn't have braces. - it doesn't have static typing. - Python is too slow. - it has lost momentum to Ruby on RAILS. - it has lost momentum to Javascript. - it doesn't have a real garbage collector that can collect cycles. - oh, Python has had one of those for a decade? I meant a garbage collector that can collect cycles involving objects with __del__ methods. - threads aren't exactly like threads in some other language. - Python only uses a single core of the CPU. - I mean CPython. IronPython and Jython don't count. - I mean ordinary Python code, using multiprocessing doesn't count. - Neither do C extensions or numpy. - Python changes too fast. People can't keep up. Python should be an ISO standard managed by a committee, like C, with a guarantee that 30 year old code will run in the latest version. - Python changes too slow. People can't use all these great new features. It has gotten too big and the developers care too much about backward compatibility and aren't willing to delete cruft from the language. - you can't compile to native machine code. No language can possibly be successful with byte-code running in a virtual machine. - it isn't a pure object-oriented language exactly like Java. - you can't hide your source code from the end user. People will STEEEAAAAAL MY INTELLECTUUUUUUUALLLLLL PROPERTY!!! - oh, you can? Yeah, but it's too hard, and besides they might decompile the .pyc files. - Python 3 is a failure and has split the community. I think I've got all the most common reasons for dismissing Python. "Python has lost ground to Flash" is a new one for me, as is "Python ate my mobile phone's batteries". In a way, it's quite unfortunate that you can't write a blog post discussing weaknesses of a language (as opposed to strengths) without turning it into fuel for the haters: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4567023 But when you give a blog post an inflammatory title like "I am worried about the future of Python", what do you expect? -- Steven
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-27 17:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.1493.1348764115.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #30294 |
On 27/09/2012 17:16, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Steven D'Aprano > <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote: >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 08:11:13 -0400, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Steven D'Aprano >>> <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote: >>>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:15:00 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote: And a >>>> response: >>>> >>>> http://data.geek.nz/python-is-doing-just-fine >>> >>> Summary of that article: >>> >>> "Sure, you have all these legitimate concerns, but look, cake!" >> >> Did you read the article or just make up a witty response? If so, you >> half succeeded. >> >> It's more like, "Well, maybe, your concerns *might* be legitimate, but I >> don't think so because..." and then he gives half a dozen or more reasons >> why Python is in no danger. None of which involve cake, although one of >> them did involve Raspberry Pi. An easy mistake to make. > > Haha! :) > > Well, I don't agree. But let me explain. > [snipped] > -- Devin > The article Steven D'Aprano referred to is not a direct response to the article I referred to, yet your words are written as if it were. May I ask why? Or have I missed something? -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence.
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-28 02:49 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.1495.1348764584.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #30294 |
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > The article Steven D'Aprano referred to is not a direct response to the > article I referred to, yet your words are written as if it were. May I ask > why? Or have I missed something? Steven cited it with the words "And a response". ChrisA
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| From | Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-27 12:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.1496.1348764686.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #30294 |
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > The article Steven D'Aprano referred to is not a direct response to the > article I referred to, yet your words are written as if it were. May I ask > why? Or have I missed something? Post hoc ergo propter hoc :( -- Devin
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-27 17:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.1497.1348765088.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #30294 |
On 27/09/2012 17:49, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> The article Steven D'Aprano referred to is not a direct response to the >> article I referred to, yet your words are written as if it were. May I ask >> why? Or have I missed something? > > Steven cited it with the words "And a response". > > ChrisA > Fair enough, we'll blame Steven on the grounds that he's Antipodean :) -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence.
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| From | Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> |
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| Date | 2012-09-27 09:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.1500.1348765874.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #30294 |
Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 27/09/2012 17:16, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 08:11:13 -0400, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: >>>> Summary of that article: >>>> >>>> "Sure, you have all these legitimate concerns, but look, cake!" >>> >>> Did you read the article or just make up a witty response? If so, you >>> half succeeded. >>> >>> It's more like, "Well, maybe, your concerns *might* be legitimate, but I >>> don't think so because..." and then he gives half a dozen or more >>> reasons >>> why Python is in no danger. None of which involve cake, although one of >>> them did involve Raspberry Pi. An easy mistake to make. >> >> Haha! :) >> >> Well, I don't agree. But let me explain. >> > > [snipped] > > The article Steven D'Aprano referred to is not a direct response to the > article I referred to, yet your words are written as if it were. May I > ask why? Or have I missed something? The second article didn't reference the first directly, but was aimed at that general type of article. At any rate, Steven wrote as if it were a direct response. ~Ethan~
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| From | Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> |
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| Date | 2012-09-27 15:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.1514.1348774379.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #30294 |
On 9/27/2012 12:16 PM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > Charitably, maybe we'd call this a way of encouraging people who are > discouraged by the bleaker tone of Calvin's post. And that's valid, if > we're worried about morale. Definitely Calvin's post could be -- and > has been -- taken the wrong way. It could be taken as a way of saying, > "Python is doomed!", even though that isn't something Calvin ever > wrote (he appears, from my reading, to be more worried about a > stagnating community than a failed language). The title was "i-am-worried-about-the-future-of-python" (as in 'I am afraid Python will not have one'), not 'python has problems in some application areas'. Given the doom-y title and the tone of the article, excuse me for thinking doom was the topic. As for community: Calvin is worried that all the hot new people in these particular areas will not use and contribute to Python and the community. > Under that > interpretation, we would want other, more encouraging voices around, > talking about ways in which Python is good and will survive. And that is what the second article was about. It turns out that there are hot new people in other growing areas where Python is growing. Computing for science, megadata, and education are not going away. Being a glue language for numerical computing was Python's first killer application nearly two decades ago, and it still is an important one. -- Terry Jan Reedy
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| From | Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-28 08:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <acl0j5Fk8cfU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #30291 |
in 681910 20120927 131113 Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> wrote: >On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Steven D'Aprano ><steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote: >> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:15:00 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> And a response: >> >> http://data.geek.nz/python-is-doing-just-fine > >Summary of that article: > >"Sure, you have all these legitimate concerns, but look, cake!" Quote : "This piece argues that Python is an easy-to-learn language that where you can be almost immediately productive in."
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| From | Dwight Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-28 03:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.1541.1348816970.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #30364 |
>>Summary of that article: >> >>"Sure, you have all these legitimate concerns, but look, cake!" > > Quote : "This piece argues that Python is an easy-to-learn > language that where you can be almost immediately productive in." It is, but so is every other language. "hello world" is the standard... follow the syntax, import/include the appropriate library functions, and create your own to use them. -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com
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| From | rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-28 05:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c9c6fd8a-6c5f-4ddd-a667-99833a0fdf5d@pz10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #30291 |
On Sep 27, 5:11 pm, Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Steven D'Aprano > > <steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:15:00 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote: > > And a response: > > >http://data.geek.nz/python-is-doing-just-fine > > Summary of that article: > > "Sure, you have all these legitimate concerns, but look, cake!" > > -- Devin My summary of the first (worried about python) article: Python is about to miss the Bell's law bus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_Law_of_Computer_Classes
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2012-09-28 12:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <50659e1f$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #30376 |
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 05:08:24 -0700, rusi wrote: > On Sep 27, 5:11 pm, Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Steven D'Aprano >> >> <steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: >> > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:15:00 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote: And a >> > response: >> >> >http://data.geek.nz/python-is-doing-just-fine >> >> Summary of that article: >> >> "Sure, you have all these legitimate concerns, but look, cake!" >> >> -- Devin > > My summary of the first (worried about python) article: Python is about > to miss the Bell's law bus: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_Law_of_Computer_Classes Except that very concept is stupid. Mainframes have not be replaced. There are more mainframes around today than fifty years ago. Minicomputers too, only we don't call them minicomputers, we call them "servers". In ten years time, there will be more desktop PCs around than now. Most of them will be in the 90% of the world that isn't America. And most of them will be laptops. But they'll be used as desktops too. Not everybody wants to read email on a device smaller than your hand, clumsily poking at a tiny virtual keyboard. And anybody who thinks that Python can't run on tablets or smartphones hasn't been paying attention. -- Steven
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| From | rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-28 06:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a51c6a20-fe0a-42f6-932f-afe5bbf44629@c6g2000pba.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #30382 |
On Sep 28, 5:54 pm, Steven D'Aprano <steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 05:08:24 -0700, rusi wrote: > > On Sep 27, 5:11 pm, Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Steven D'Aprano > > >> <steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > >> > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:15:00 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote: And a > >> > response: > > >> >http://data.geek.nz/python-is-doing-just-fine > > >> Summary of that article: > > >> "Sure, you have all these legitimate concerns, but look, cake!" > > >> -- Devin > > > My summary of the first (worried about python) article: Python is about > > to miss the Bell's law bus: > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_Law_of_Computer_Classes > > Except that very concept is stupid. Mainframes have not be replaced. > There are more mainframes around today than fifty years ago. > Minicomputers too, only we don't call them minicomputers, we call them > "servers". > > In ten years time, there will be more desktop PCs around than now. Most > of them will be in the 90% of the world that isn't America. And most of > them will be laptops. But they'll be used as desktops too. Not everybody > wants to read email on a device smaller than your hand, clumsily poking > at a tiny virtual keyboard. > > And anybody who thinks that Python can't run on tablets or smartphones > hasn't been paying attention. > > -- > Steven It would be good to pay attention before calling others to pay attention. http://litmus.com/blog/email-client-market-share-stats-infographic-june-2012/email-client-market-share-june-2012
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2012-09-28 16:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5065d142$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #30384 |
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:14:32 -0700, rusi wrote: > It would be good to pay attention before calling others to pay > attention. > > http://litmus.com/blog/email-client-market-share-stats-infographic- june-2012/email-client-market-share-june-2012 Oh my, that's hilarious. It's a big, flashy "infographic" with lots of graphics and absolutely no meaningful information. As pure a case of "garbage in, garbage out" as you can hope to see. Hidden in the fine print: "Data for some email clients and mobiles may be over- and under- represented due to image blocking." You think? I would have thought that the whole Thunderbird-doesn't-get-a-mention might have given you a clue that the data there was rubbish. Or that they think more people use Yahoo than Gmail. Riiiight. 1% of email users are on AOL? Pull the other one, it has bells on. Three years ago, there were about 2 billion active email users worldwide. 1% of that is 20 million. There are fewer than 4 million AOL subscribers, or about 0.2% (or less, given that total email users are increasing and AOL subscribers are not). The only thing that link is good for is determining which mail clients have crap privacy policies. Thank you for sharing this, it is a great example of the use of bogus statistics. -- Steven
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-27 17:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.1494.1348764433.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #30275 |
On 27/09/2012 07:13, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:15:00 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I though this might be of interest. >> >> http://www.ironfroggy.com/software/i-am-worried-about-the-future-of- > python > > > And a response: > > http://data.geek.nz/python-is-doing-just-fine > > > Well there's definite proof that the PyPy people are all completely incompetent in a response on the above link, this is how easy it is "But ... why does the runtime environment have to be so limiting? Operations involving primitives could be easily compiled (on the fly - JIT) to machine code and more advanced objects exist as plug-ins. Oh, and it would be nice to be able to write such objects quickly and easily - not the convoluted mess that it is currently." Simples :) -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence.
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| From | alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-27 17:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bb56b8d2-1d2a-4ca4-aa66-8f924fb24b69@q5g2000pbp.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #30304 |
On Sep 28, 2:47 am, Mark Lawrence <breamore...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > "... why does the runtime environment have to be so limiting? Operations > involving primitives could be easily compiled (on the fly - JIT) to > machine code and more advanced objects exist as plug-ins. Oh, and it > would be nice to be able to write such objects quickly and easily - not > the convoluted mess that it is currently." > > Simples :) You should see how awesome _my_ imaginary implementation is!
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