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  Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-12-01 20:49 +0200
    Re: "Downloading" Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2015-12-01 19:05 +0000
      Re: "Downloading" Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-12-02 10:46 +1100
        Re: "Downloading" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 10:56 +1100
    Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-12-01 11:11 -0800
    Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 14:19 -0600
    Re: "Downloading" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 10:05 +1100
      Re: "Downloading" Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-02 15:15 +0000
        Re: "Downloading" Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-12-02 18:37 +0200
          Re: "Downloading" Emile van Sebille <emile@fenx.com> - 2015-12-02 12:10 -0800
    Re: "Downloading" Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 17:28 -0600
    Re: "Downloading" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 10:32 +1100
    Re: "Downloading" Erik <python@lucidity.plus.com> - 2015-12-01 23:37 +0000
    Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-02 01:22 +0100
    Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2015-12-02 08:57 +0000
      Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-12-02 09:42 +0000
        Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-02 15:20 +0000
          Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-12-03 06:21 +0200
            Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-12-03 07:43 +0200
      Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-12-02 04:09 -0600
        Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-02 15:20 +0000
      Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-12-02 08:36 -0800
        Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-12-02 17:53 +0100
        Re: Is <someone> secretly downloading <some stuff> to your computer ?! Rob Hills <rhills@medimorphosis.com.au> - 2015-12-03 01:00 +0800
        Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 11:32 -0600
          Re: stuff and nonsense Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 22:51 +0000
            Re: stuff and nonsense Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-12-03 01:46 +0100
              Re: stuff and nonsense Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 01:28 +0000
            Re: stuff and nonsense Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-03 07:37 -0500
      Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2015-12-03 14:24 +0800
        Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-12-03 10:00 +0100
          Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 20:11 +1100
        Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2015-12-03 09:16 +0000
          Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?! Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2015-12-04 11:22 +0800

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#99809 — Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:19:39 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"
<skybuck2000@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>The question is:
>
>Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

Since you don't even know that much about computers, anything else you
say is obviously not worth readin. 



-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#99811 — Re: "Downloading"

On 2015-12-01, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

I'm a little bit confused as to what kinds of file transfers
you think don't have at least two endpoints.

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#99833 — Re: "Downloading"

On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 06:05 am, Random832 wrote:

> On 2015-12-01, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
> 
> I'm a little bit confused as to what kinds of file transfers
> you think don't have at least two endpoints.

If you have a computer with two network connections, plug a cable from one
to the other, and now you can download stuff from yourself in half the time
it would take to download from the Cloud.




-- 
Steven

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#99834 — Re: "Downloading"

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 06:05 am, Random832 wrote:
>
>> On 2015-12-01, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>
>> I'm a little bit confused as to what kinds of file transfers
>> you think don't have at least two endpoints.
>
> If you have a computer with two network connections, plug a cable from one
> to the other, and now you can download stuff from yourself in half the time
> it would take to download from the Cloud.

If you have a computer with both wired and wireless network, plug half
a cable into the wired network, and download stuff from yourself over
401.5½!

ChrisA

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#99812

Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> writes:
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:19:39 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"
> <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>The question is:
>>
>>Is Microsoft
[snip]
>
> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>
> Since you don't even know that much about computers, anything else you
> say is obviously not worth readin. 

Nor is it worth replying to.  *Please* don't feed the troll.

(Followups set.)

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#99813

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:19:39 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"
> <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>The question is:
>>
>>Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!
>
> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

You download things FROM one computer to another. You upload things
from one computer TO another. The only semantic difference is in which
end of the transfer is "local". Otherwise, it's like saying "up the
street" versus "down the street", so what difference does it make?

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#99828 — Re: "Downloading"

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> wrote:
> On 2015-12-01, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>
> I'm a little bit confused as to what kinds of file transfers
> you think don't have at least two endpoints.

>From some other computer to the one you're controlling it from. A
download is initiated by the recipient; an upload is initiated by the
sender.

ChrisA

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#99891 — Re: "Downloading"

On 2015-12-01, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-12-01, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>
>> I'm a little bit confused as to what kinds of file transfers
>> you think don't have at least two endpoints.
>
>>From some other computer to the one you're controlling it from. A

> download is initiated by the recipient; an upload is initiated by the
> sender.

Nope.  It doesn't depend on who initiated the transfer, up/down is a
direction. I upload things to the Host on the Internet, and I download
things to the circuit board on my bench.  In both cases I initiate the
transaction


           [ Host on The Internet ]
                     |
                [my computer]
                     |
        [circuit board I'm working on]                      

            
-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! I invented skydiving
                                  at               in 1989!
                              gmail.com            

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#99899 — Re: "Downloading"

Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>:

> On 2015-12-01, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>> download is initiated by the recipient; an upload is initiated by the
>> sender.
>
> Nope.  It doesn't depend on who initiated the transfer, up/down is a
> direction. I upload things to the Host on the Internet, and I download
> things to the circuit board on my bench.  In both cases I initiate the
> transaction

Forget the ups and downs and just load the file.


Marko

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#99910 — Re: "Downloading"

On 12/2/2015 8:37 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>:
>
>> On 2015-12-01, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> download is initiated by the recipient; an upload is initiated by the
>>> sender.
>>
>> Nope.  It doesn't depend on who initiated the transfer, up/down is a
>> direction. I upload things to the Host on the Internet, and I download
>> things to the circuit board on my bench.  In both cases I initiate the
>> transaction
>
> Forget the ups and downs and just load the file.


Nowadays I suspect push and pull are better terms.

Emile

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#99829 — Re: "Downloading"

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-12-01, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>
>> I'm a little bit confused as to what kinds of file transfers
>> you think don't have at least two endpoints.
>
> From some other computer to the one you're controlling it from. A
> download is initiated by the recipient; an upload is initiated by the
> sender.

What about transfers that are initiated by neither?

scp remote_host1:path/to/file remote_host2:path/to/destination

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#99830 — Re: "Downloading"

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2015-12-01, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>>
>>> I'm a little bit confused as to what kinds of file transfers
>>> you think don't have at least two endpoints.
>>
>> From some other computer to the one you're controlling it from. A
>> download is initiated by the recipient; an upload is initiated by the
>> sender.
>
> What about transfers that are initiated by neither?
>
> scp remote_host1:path/to/file remote_host2:path/to/destination

I'd punt and call it a "transfer", same as you just did :)

ChrisA

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#99831 — Re: "Downloading"

On 01/12/15 23:28, Ian Kelly wrote:
> What about transfers that are initiated by neither?
>
> scp remote_host1:path/to/file remote_host2:path/to/destination

Regardless of how the transfer is invoked, in traditional parlance the 
source uploads, the target downloads.

Why is this on the Python list? ;)

E.

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#99836

It's not YOU doing it.

Since you obviously don't understand that it's not worth reading anything 
else you wrote LOL.

Bye,
  Skybuck. 

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#99851

In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---

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#99860

On 02/12/15 08:57, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>
> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
> "downloading" things to your computer?

My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a 
smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a 
smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server 
or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.

If the devices are of comparable size and power, you aren't upping or 
downing anything - you're just transferring data from one computer to 
another. I suppose we could say "crossloading"?

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#99893

On 2015-12-02, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
> On 02/12/15 08:57, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>
>> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>> "downloading" things to your computer?
>
> My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a 
> smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a 
> smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server 
> or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.

That's sort of the usage I'm used to, but it probably has more to do
with network topology than CPU power.  Servers on the internet are at
the top of the diagram, and embedded devices that can't access the
internet directly are at the bottom with my PC somewhere in the
middle.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! Are you still an
                                  at               ALCOHOLIC?
                              gmail.com            

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#99928

On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:20:13 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 2015-12-02, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 02/12/15 08:57, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>>> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>>
>>> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>>> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>>> "downloading" things to your computer?
>>
>> My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a 
>> smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a 
>> smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server 
>> or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.
>
>That's sort of the usage I'm used to, but it probably has more to do
>with network topology than CPU power.  Servers on the internet are at
>the top of the diagram, and embedded devices that can't access the
>internet directly are at the bottom with my PC somewhere in the
>middle.

In my usage it all has to do with sending and receiving, like
immigration and emigration. 

I UPload photos from my cell phone to Facebook. 

I DOWNload photos from my cell phone to my desktop computer. 


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#99929

On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:21:45 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:20:13 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards
><invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2015-12-02, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 02/12/15 08:57, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>>>> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>>>>
>>>> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
>>>> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
>>>> "downloading" things to your computer?
>>>
>>> My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a 
>>> smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a 
>>> smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server 
>>> or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.
>>
>>That's sort of the usage I'm used to, but it probably has more to do
>>with network topology than CPU power.  Servers on the internet are at
>>the top of the diagram, and embedded devices that can't access the
>>internet directly are at the bottom with my PC somewhere in the
>>middle.
>
>In my usage it all has to do with sending and receiving, like
>immigration and emigration. 
>
>I UPload photos from my cell phone to Facebook. 
>
>I DOWNload photos from my cell phone to my desktop computer. 

To which I will add that uploading is sending, and downloading is
fetching.

So saying that Microsoft downloaded something to my computer is like
saying that someone fetched me a ltter when they actually sent it. 


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#99863

Juha Nieminen wrote:
> In comp.lang.c++ Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
>
> It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
> starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
> "downloading" things to your computer?
>
> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
>

Down is towards an end node; up is towards the backbone. Servers
live closer to the backbone. Usually. Or rather did when the
nomenclature was forged.

-- 
Les Cargill

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