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  what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 08:36 -0700
    Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-08-20 18:05 +0200
      Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-21 09:08 +1000
        Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 18:22 -0700
          Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 11:41 +1000
          Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-08-21 11:35 +1000
            Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 19:07 -0700
              Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-08-21 14:39 +1000
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-20 21:49 -0700
                  Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 22:08 -0700
                    Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-08-21 15:26 +1000
                      Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 22:38 -0700
                        Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 15:49 +1000
                          Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 23:09 -0700
                            Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 16:50 +1000
                              Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 23:52 -0700
                                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-21 09:19 +0100
                            Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-21 09:15 +0100
                        Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-08-21 15:54 +1000
                      Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-22 02:50 +1000
                        Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-21 16:15 -0400
                          Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 15:09 -0700
                        Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-08-22 07:15 +1000
                          Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-21 16:10 -0700
                            Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 19:28 -0400
                              Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-24 17:04 -0700
                                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-25 10:08 +1000
                            Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-22 02:27 +0100
                        Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-21 22:58 +0100
                    Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-20 22:31 -0700
              Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-21 09:09 +0100
          Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-21 02:36 +0000
            Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-20 19:46 -0700
            Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 20:48 -0700
              Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-08-20 23:03 -0600
                Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-20 23:18 -0700
                  Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-08-21 16:30 +1000
          Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 10:23 +0200
    Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-21 03:25 -0400
      Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-21 00:40 -0700
        Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-21 09:24 +0100
    Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> - 2014-08-21 06:25 -0700
      Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results luofeiyu <elearn2014@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 21:37 +0800
        Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-08-21 19:50 +0000
        Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 15:21 -0700
      Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-08-21 16:10 -0400
    Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-08-21 15:15 -0700

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#76671 — what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results

Neat little exercise, surprisingly cool results!
less than 3 minutes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlDjl5JK0eU&feature=youtu.be

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#76673

On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Everything You Need To Know
<eyn2k@outlook.com> wrote:
> Neat little exercise, surprisingly cool results!
> less than 3 minutes!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlDjl5JK0eU&feature=youtu.be
> --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Most subscribers are already skilled Python programmers and do not
care about your fancy tutorials.  Especially because they are video
tutorials, which are the worst way to learn anything — especially
programming.

Also, if someone really cares about the division, they can just watch
the original Numberphile video at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daro6K6mym8 or any other sane source —
and not reproduce it with this weird division scheme.  Your video does
not tell a thing about the number anyway.

Please stop spamming with your barely original content.

-- 
Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <http://chriswarrick.com/>
PGP: 5EAAEA16
stop html mail | always bottom-post | only UTF-8 makes sense

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#76682

Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Everything You Need To Know
> <eyn2k@outlook.com> wrote:
>> Neat little exercise, surprisingly cool results!
>> less than 3 minutes!
>>
>> [url redacted]

[...]
> Please stop spamming with your barely original content.


If you think it is spam (or at least borderline), perhaps you should not
quote the url and provide links to the content?


-- 
Steven

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#76686

On Thursday, 21 August 2014 08:38:16 UTC+9:30, Steven D'Aprano  wrote:
> Chris "Kwpolska" Warrick wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Everything You Need To Know
> 
> > <eyn2k@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> >> Neat little exercise, surprisingly cool results!
> 
> >> less than 3 minutes!
> 
> >>
> 
> >> [url redacted]
> 
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Please stop spamming with your barely original content.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If you think it is spam (or at least borderline), perhaps you should not
> 
> quote the url and provide links to the content?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Steven

Thank you Steven, I thought most of the exercises I have posted were quiet original and still offer interesting results.
In the case of the Mandelbrot set or this one here, I was trying to make "programming fun" which is an idea I believe lost since early programming generations, and both can be achieved with absolutely minimal knowledge making it fun to learn. I do understand where you are coming from 'Chris "Kwpolska" Warrick', though, your own self serving link to your own website and unproductive post is closer to spam than my own, I offer something practical and positive to the community, even if the wrong community to post.
Also the, "Most subscribers are already skilled Python" is a generalization and to speak for everyone is not fair.
Where else can I post these if not to a 'forum' regarding the given subject? I am by definition working productively with this forum, engaging with an audience, which has so far mutually benefited us both, as I have already taken requests for tutorials.

And once more "Especially because they are video 
tutorials, which are the worst way to learn anything -- especially 
programming." - this argument is simply invalid. No evidence can be offered to back this and some people learn better visualize as I did, because I started in a 3D graphical background, I almost needed to visualize Tuples as x, y, z co-ordinates to grasp them properly from he start. Everyone is different and we should celebrate different approaches!

+ I have attended University and decided that the video series has more to offer than a University certificate in terms of knowledge.

Thank you for your time

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#76687

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Everything You Need To Know
<eyn2k@outlook.com> wrote:
> + I have attended University and decided that the video series has more to offer than a University certificate in terms of knowledge.
>

That's not saying much.

ChrisA

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#76688

Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> writes:

> I offer something practical and positive to the community, even if the
> wrong community to post.

You choose to offer it with a self-aggrandising name instead of your
real name, which is itself an obnoxious habit.

The links themselves are, as you acknowledge, not appropriate to this
discussion forum, they are a blatant attempt to drive traffic to your
site instead of having a useful discussion here.

> I am by definition working productively with this forum, engaging with
> an audience, which has so far mutually benefited us both, as I have
> already taken requests for tutorials.

No, you are not working with this forum. Your posts are not aiding
discussion here, they are advertisements for your channel elsewhere.
Please don't.

-- 
 \     “[F]reedom of speech does not entail freedom to have your ideas |
  `\    accepted by governments and incorporated into law and policy.” |
_o__)                                   —Russell Blackford, 2010-03-06 |
Ben Finney

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#76689

On Thursday, 21 August 2014 11:05:51 UTC+9:30, Ben Finney  wrote:
> Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> writes:
> 
> 
> 
> > I offer something practical and positive to the community, even if the
> 
> > wrong community to post.
> 
> 
> 
> You choose to offer it with a self-aggrandising name instead of your
> 
> real name, which is itself an obnoxious habit.
> 
> 
> 
> The links themselves are, as you acknowledge, not appropriate to this
> 
> discussion forum, they are a blatant attempt to drive traffic to your
> 
> site instead of having a useful discussion here.
> 
> 
> 
> > I am by definition working productively with this forum, engaging with
> 
> > an audience, which has so far mutually benefited us both, as I have
> 
> > already taken requests for tutorials.
> 
> 
> 
> No, you are not working with this forum. Your posts are not aiding
> 
> discussion here, they are advertisements for your channel elsewhere.
> 
> Please don't.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
>  \     "[F]reedom of speech does not entail freedom to have your ideas |
> 
>   `\    accepted by governments and incorporated into law and policy." |
> 
> _o__)                                   --Russell Blackford, 2010-03-06 |
> 
> Ben Finney

> "You choose to offer it with a self-aggrandising name instead of your 
> real name, which is itself an obnoxious habit."

This is because I am hoping, the other members currently creatign tutorials will be posting and responding to people as well. It is not just one person here! To give my name when we are trying to be a small group would not work.

> I am by definition working productively with this forum, engaging with 
> an audience, which has so far mutually benefited us both, as I have 
> already taken requests for tutorials. 

There are links to the video yes, though there is no way to post the video here so I do not have a choice...

What would you do in my situation... You are currently working 10 hours a day to help an open-source community which I have learnt from over the years. Free videos, wikis and forums have been the conduit from which I learnt from (Uni was a waste of time).

If my goal is to offer something back to the community (and teach for free what cost lots of money at university), and I am covering more advanced topics as we speak. 

Do I now have to work more hours, create my own web site as well and own forums for given topics and discussions. This is currently just not possible since I am basically poor because of University and spending 10 hours a day producing videos and trying to maintain a household.
I did look up the definition of a "Forum" and the goals of this forum community, and I did not see anything wrong.

Productive suggestions would be helpful, so far productive comments have been quiet absent and more 'nasty and immature'.

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#76695

Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> writes:

> It is not just one person here! To give my name when we are trying to
> be a small group would not work.

That's not how a community operates. Please post as an individual, with
a person's name, to establish your reputation and continuity.

Others can post as themselves. We don't need organisations posting as if
they were a person with one mind.

> What would you do in my situation...

Deal with a community of individuals *as* an individual.

Deal with a discussion forum by starting *discussions* in that forum.

Consider, every time, the relevance of your message to a *discussion
forum* for the community primarily.

> Do I now have to work more hours, create my own web site as well and
> own forums for given topics and discussions.

Your work expended so far imposes no obligation on us to endure your
spam. Please engage with this community rather than seeing us as a
market for your product — or don't engage at all.

-- 
 \         “To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you |
  `\                            must also be well-mannered.” —Voltaire |
_o__)                                                                  |
Ben Finney

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#76696

On Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:09:45 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote:
> Everything You Need To Know writes:

> > It is not just one person here! To give my name when we are trying to
> > be a small group would not work.

> That's not how a community operates. Please post as an individual, with
> a person's name, to establish your reputation and continuity.

> Others can post as themselves. We don't need organisations posting as if
> they were a person with one mind.


Let me try to put it another way: We are a community of individuals
not of corporations, even 'informal' corporations.
Your entry here as an individual is welcome; as a corporation its
out of place

> > What would you do in my situation...

> Deal with a community of individuals *as* an individual.

> Deal with a discussion forum by starting *discussions* in that forum.

> Consider, every time, the relevance of your message to a *discussion
> forum* for the community primarily.

> > Do I now have to work more hours, create my own web site as well and
> > own forums for given topics and discussions.

> Your work expended so far imposes no obligation on us to endure your
> spam. Please engage with this community rather than seeing us as a
> market for your product -- or don't engage at all.

I find this excessively and unnecessarily harsh

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#76699

On Thursday, 21 August 2014 14:19:27 UTC+9:30, Rustom Mody  wrote:
> On Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:09:45 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote:
> 
> > Everything You Need To Know writes:
> 
> 
> 
> > > It is not just one person here! To give my name when we are trying to
> 
> > > be a small group would not work.
> 
> 
> 
> > That's not how a community operates. Please post as an individual, with
> 
> > a person's name, to establish your reputation and continuity.
> 
> 
> 
> > Others can post as themselves. We don't need organisations posting as if
> 
> > they were a person with one mind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let me try to put it another way: We are a community of individuals
> 
> not of corporations, even 'informal' corporations.
> 
> Your entry here as an individual is welcome; as a corporation its
> 
> out of place
> 
> 

I guess I have to agree and was mistaken, though vitriol I found unnecessary and unproductive! Just thought it was in best interest if we posted as one rather than individuals, if we had each other agreeing with one another it by accident or other, it would add extra sway to an individual point of view as we are sharing it.

When conversations become unproductive I simply remember this talk which I have watched a number of times...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csyL9EC0S0c

and just try to keep programming fun!

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#76700

Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> writes:

> I guess I have to agree and was mistaken, though vitriol I found
> unnecessary and unproductive!

You've behaved obnoxiously, as has been pointed out. We regard this
community highly, and when obnoxious behaviour occurs, emotive responses
are to be expected.

Thank you for acknowledge the mistake, and in advance for working to
improve.

> Just thought it was in best interest if we posted as one rather than
> individuals, if we had each other agreeing with one another it by
> accident or other, it would add extra sway to an individual point of
> view as we are sharing it.

Remember that this is a forum for discussion, for benefit of the Python
community. Not specially for the benefit of any organisation. If there's
a position relevant to be expressed here, and your organisation all
agrees on that position, there's no need for dozens of people to repeat
it — one person can say it.

But it's harmful for community participation if that person's individual
identity is shrouded behind a corporate name. It's important that any
individual's words are accountable over time to an individual's name.

If your messages are so unlike community discussion that you feel the
need to portray them as coming from a corporate entity instead of an
individual open to further discussion, please consider that such
messages are likely of little value to a community discussion forum.

-- 
 \        “None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love |
  `\                           not freedom, but license.” —John Milton |
_o__)                                                                  |
Ben Finney

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#76702

On Thursday, 21 August 2014 14:56:13 UTC+9:30, Ben Finney  wrote:
> Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> writes:
> 
> 
> 
> > I guess I have to agree and was mistaken, though vitriol I found
> 
> > unnecessary and unproductive!
> 
> 
> 
> You've behaved obnoxiously, as has been pointed out. 


Yes I did point out I made a mistake, though it was in the best interest of this forum that I made that mistake and as I mentioned.
I am supporting google because they own youtube and I have advertisements allowed on for their interest not mine, monetisation is not on.

You are now simply arguing a negative point for no apparent reason other than you want to appear correct, I have already admitted my mistake yet you persist with negativity and vitriol, it is quiet childish.

please watch this linked video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csyL9EC0S0c 

might lighten you up a little

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#76703

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Everything You Need To Know
<eyn2k@outlook.com> wrote:
> You are now simply arguing a negative point for no apparent reason other than you want to appear correct, I have already admitted my mistake yet you persist with negativity and vitriol, it is quiet childish.
>

No, it isn't childish. You have admitted to some mistakes, but you
persist in them. Continuing to be negative toward people who continue
to damage the community isn't childish, it's the correct way to
maintain a community. You still have not posted a real name, you still
post using Google Groups (and without fixing its messes), and frankly,
the next step if you continue to behave like this is for us to just
filter you out so we never see your posts again.

What do you mean by "supporting [G]oogle", anyway? Do you mean that
you think you're doing us all a favour by using Google Groups? Because
you are not. There are two large schools of thought regarding GG, and
one extreme minority: lots of people are either ambivalent or strongly
against it, and a very VERY few people like it, and only because it's
convenient *for them*. Posts gatewayed in from Google Groups break a
lot of standards and conventions (there's a difference, btw), and it's
not without reason that quite a few people simply block every post
from that domain. If your purpose in posting is to send money Google's
way, rather than to enhance the Python community, then you are
definitely posting in the wrong place.

ChrisA

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#76705

On Thursday, 21 August 2014 15:19:43 UTC+9:30, Chris Angelico  wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Everything You Need To Know
> 
> <eyn2k@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> > You are now simply arguing a negative point for no apparent reason other than you want to appear correct, I have already admitted my mistake yet you persist with negativity and vitriol, it is quiet childish.
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> No, it isn't childish. You have admitted to some mistakes, but you
> 
> persist in them. 

I have given up posting as eyn2k, I am not persisting and said I was making changes. calm down it takes time.

> Continuing to be negative toward people who continue
> 
> to damage the community isn't childish, it's the correct way to
> 
> maintain a community. You still have not posted a real name,

Yes I have, look at my posts, you will find it, though with this level of vitriol can you blame me for being a little worried about posting my real name?

> you still
> 
> post using Google Groups (and without fixing its messes), and frankly,
> 
> the next step if you continue to behave like this is for us to just
> 
> filter you out so we never see your posts again.
> 
> 

I am just finishing this thread, as I said it will take a little time, I am trying to collaborate with more than one person.

> 
> What do you mean by "supporting [G]oogle", anyway? Do you mean that
> 
> you think you're doing us all a favour by using Google Groups? Because
> 
> you are not. There are two large schools of thought regarding GG, and
> 
> one extreme minority: lots of people are either ambivalent or strongly
> 
> against it, and a very VERY few people like it, and only because it's
> 
> convenient *for them*. Posts gatewayed in from Google Groups break a
> 
> lot of standards and conventions (there's a difference, btw), and it's
> 
> not without reason that quite a few people simply block every post
> 
> from that domain. If your purpose in posting is to send money Google's
> 
> way, rather than to enhance the Python community, then you are
> 
> definitely posting in the wrong place.
> 
> 
> 
> ChrisA

What I meant was, that people are saying I'm self serving, when the whole point of this exercise was to freely give back knowledge to the community as Python is Open Source and youtube is free. I am not earning any money and the purpose was to help others so being self serving I do not believe I am.

and as 

> + I have attended University and decided that the video series has more to offer than a University certificate in terms of knowledge. 
> 

"That's not saying much." 

as you can see, you are simply being childish, please make your posts productive.

And I do agree, University was a waste of money and time as I said, hence, especially with free open source python, the knowledge should be available for free. I like exercises with videos, so that is how I returned it to the community.

I do not see what your posts are intended to achieve

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#76711

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Everything You Need To Know
<eyn2k@outlook.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 21 August 2014 15:19:43 UTC+9:30, Chris Angelico  wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Everything You Need To Know
>>
>> <eyn2k@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> > You are now simply arguing a negative point for no apparent reason other than you want to appear correct, I have already admitted my mistake yet you persist with negativity and vitriol, it is quiet childish.
>>
>> No, it isn't childish. You have admitted to some mistakes, but you
>>
>> persist in them.
>
> I have given up posting as eyn2k, I am not persisting and said I was making changes. calm down it takes time.

Considering that this post also comes from eyn2k, and also doesn't
have a real name on it, I don't think your statement can be called
true.

>> Continuing to be negative toward people who continue
>>
>> to damage the community isn't childish, it's the correct way to
>>
>> maintain a community. You still have not posted a real name,
>
> Yes I have, look at my posts, you will find it, though with this level of vitriol can you blame me for being a little worried about posting my real name?
>

1) You're not signing your posts. A post back in your history giving
just a first name doesn't equate to actually signing your posts with
your real name. We still don't know you from A-- err, from anyone else
named Adam.

2) Why should the tone of posts here make you worried about posting
your real name? Especially when part of that tone is specifically
because you don't. Trust comes from honesty, not from hiding.

>> + I have attended University and decided that the video series has more to offer than a University certificate in terms of knowledge.
>>
>
> "That's not saying much."
>
> as you can see, you are simply being childish, please make your posts productive.
>
> And I do agree, University was a waste of money and time as I said, hence, especially with free open source python, the knowledge should be available for free. I like exercises with videos, so that is how I returned it to the community.
>
> I do not see what your posts are intended to achieve

If you have a problem with my extremely mild (in that example)
criticism of the value of university, you'd best not hang around any
public discussion forum.

Good luck with life. You'll need it, if you keep going like this.

ChrisA

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#76712

On Thursday, 21 August 2014 16:20:29 UTC+9:30, Chris Angelico  wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Everything You Need To Know
> 
> <eyn2k@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday, 21 August 2014 15:19:43 UTC+9:30, Chris Angelico  wrote:
> 
> >> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Everything You Need To Know
> 
> >>
> 
> >> <eyn2k@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> >>
> 
> >> > You are now simply arguing a negative point for no apparent reason other than you want to appear correct, I have already admitted my mistake yet you persist with negativity and vitriol, it is quiet childish.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> No, it isn't childish. You have admitted to some mistakes, but you
> 
> >>
> 
> >> persist in them.
> 
> >
> 
> > I have given up posting as eyn2k, I am not persisting and said I was making changes. calm down it takes time.
> 
> 
> 
> Considering that this post also comes from eyn2k, and also doesn't
> 
> have a real name on it, I don't think your statement can be called
> 
> true.
> 
> 
> 
> >> Continuing to be negative toward people who continue
> 
> >>
> 
> >> to damage the community isn't childish, it's the correct way to
> 
> >>
> 
> >> maintain a community. You still have not posted a real name,
> 
> >
> 
> > Yes I have, look at my posts, you will find it, though with this level of vitriol can you blame me for being a little worried about posting my real name?
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 1) You're not signing your posts. A post back in your history giving
> 
> just a first name doesn't equate to actually signing your posts with
> 
> your real name. We still don't know you from A-- err, from anyone else
> 
> named Adam.
> 
> 
> 
> 2) Why should the tone of posts here make you worried about posting
> 
> your real name? Especially when part of that tone is specifically
> 
> because you don't. Trust comes from honesty, not from hiding.
> 
> 
> 
> >> + I have attended University and decided that the video series has more to offer than a University certificate in terms of knowledge.
> 
> >>
> 
> >
> 
> > "That's not saying much."
> 
> >
> 
> > as you can see, you are simply being childish, please make your posts productive.
> 
> >
> 
> > And I do agree, University was a waste of money and time as I said, hence, especially with free open source python, the knowledge should be available for free. I like exercises with videos, so that is how I returned it to the community.
> 
> >
> 
> > I do not see what your posts are intended to achieve
> 
> 
> 
> If you have a problem with my extremely mild (in that example)
> 
> criticism of the value of university, you'd best not hang around any
> 
> public discussion forum.
> 
> 
> 
> Good luck with life. You'll need it, if you keep going like this.
> 
> 
> 
> ChrisA

I have answered all these questions already! stop wasting time

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#76719

On 21/08/2014 07:52, Everything You Need To Know wrote:

>
> I have answered all these questions already! stop wasting time
>

I entirely agree, stop wasting time.  Hardly surprising you didn't get 
on at uni as that involves engaging with people.  You can't take the 
mildest criticism and refuse to change, with the dread google groups 
conspicious throughout your posts.  Much more of this and I'll be 
reaching for the plonk key.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#76717

On 21/08/2014 07:09, Everything You Need To Know wrote:
>
> I am just finishing this thread, as I said it will take a little time, I am trying to collaborate with more than one person.
>

You are certainly very trying.  I see no evidence of collaboration.  I 
also see no evidence of the vitriol you keep mentioning.

You have three options.

1) Carry on the way you are and get plonked.
2) Change and be accepted.

Take your pick.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#76706

Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> writes:

> You are now simply arguing a negative point for no apparent reason
> other than you want to appear correct, I have already admitted my
> mistake yet you persist with negativity and vitriol, it is quiet
> childish.

Observers will judge the difference between vitriol, compared with calm
criticism of actions. If you see criticism as “negativity and vitriol”,
you'll need to reconsider whether you want to take part in an online
discussion forum.

-- 
 \       “Working out the social politics of who you can trust and why |
  `\      is, quite literally, what a very large part of our brain has |
_o__)                                   evolved to do.” —Douglas Adams |
Ben Finney

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#76743

Ben Finney wrote:

> Everything You Need To Know <eyn2k@outlook.com> writes:
> 
>> I guess I have to agree and was mistaken, though vitriol I found
>> unnecessary and unproductive!
> 
> You've behaved obnoxiously, as has been pointed out. 

People can point out anything they like, it does not mean it is necessarily
so. Adam ("Everything You Need To Know") has perhaps posted unwisely and
clumsily, but obnoxiously?

    Obnoxious (noun): 
    very offensive; hateful; odious; reprehensible.

What did Adam do that was *obnoxious*? Here are some of the accusations
thrown at him:

- his "fancy" video is too simple for the "skilled Python programmers" at
this forum and is "barely original";

- he posted using a "self-aggrandising name" instead of his "real name";

- he posted a link to another website (oh the horror!!!);

- his post is "spam" (commercial, unsolicited advertising);

- he posted as a member of a group instead of an individual.

And that's pretty much it.

I reject any suggestion that Adam's post is "obnoxious" or that it is spam.
It is clearly on-topic. Frankly, I am ashamed at the closed-minded
hostility demonstrated here in this thread. Ben, I believe that your
behaviour goes against the spirit of the Python Community Code of Conduct,
if not the actual letter of CoC. Can you honestly say that you have been
Open, Considerate, and Respectful in telling Adam that his post
was "obnoxious" and that his post is "not appropriate" just because it is
hosted on YouTube?

This is supposed to be a welcoming place. Does anyone think we as a
community have been welcoming to Adam? 

- We jumped down his throat for a couple of minor social faux pas, like
failing to sign his post with a name. 

- We displayed the most odious double-standards: we attacked Adam for
posting on behalf of a group, but when members of the PSF or the Python
core developers make an announcement or post speaking for those groups, we
accept their right to do so without question.

- We allow long-time community members to link to external forums, we accept
them including links to their own blogs and websites, but accused Adam of
being a spammer because he linked to an on-topic video hosted on YouTube. 

- We've made the most egregious and unjustified generalisations, speaking
for others without their consent, by insisting that "most" of us here are
too experienced to care for Adam's post. I'm an experienced Python
programmer, I've been contributing here and on other forums for over a
decade, and I learned something new from Adam's video.

Earlier, I posted on how Adam could have, *should* have, engaged with us.
But we should have engaged with him too:

- we should have assumed good faith, instead of accusing him of being a
spammer;

- we should have been welcoming, instead of exclusionary and elitist;

- we should have given him constructive criticism for his video, since it is
on-topic, rather than being so carelessly dismissive;

- or even just ignored it, if you don't like instructional videos;

- we should be respectful of people's right to prefer video over text, as
misguided as I personally believe it to be, some people like it;

- and we should be forgiving of minor faux pas and gaffes, rather than going
on the attack as we did.

Adam, for myself, I am sorry that we allowed a few mild gaffes on your part
lead to such a hostile reception for you, but please have a belated
welcome.



-- 
Steven

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