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  Let's make Python into LISP "Dr. Bigcock" <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2015-06-02 15:57 -0700
    Re: Let's make Python into LISP Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-03 14:22 -0700
      Re: Let's make Python into LISP Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-03 22:46 +0100
        Re: Let's make Python into LISP Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2015-06-03 18:54 -0700
          Re: Let's make Python into LISP Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-03 19:59 -0700
      Re: Let's make Python into LISP "Dr. Bigcock" <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2015-06-03 22:01 -0700

#91911 — Let's make Python into LISP

We can make Python like LISP:

1.  Make EVERYTHING the same kind of thing (call it "object").
2.  Let's make a lot of meta functions like super, instead of judicious use of interpreter impositions.
3. Forget *practicality*.  All hail *purity*.

Wait.  Someone's time machine broke.

Mark

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#91998

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 4:27:39 AM UTC+5:30, Dr. Bigcock wrote:
> We can make Python like LISP:
> 
> 1.  Make EVERYTHING the same kind of thing (call it "object").
> 2.  Let's make a lot of meta functions like super, instead of judicious use of interpreter impositions.
> 3. Forget *practicality*.  All hail *purity*.
> 
> Wait.  Someone's time machine broke.
> 
> Mark

Hi Mark

The way you keep bringing up Lisp, λ-calculus, etc completely without relevance
to anything, I wonder if you had a bad experience with someone teaching these
and thereabouts?

<Dark Secret>
Everyone knows that the average student is below average.
More true for the average teacher
</Dark Secret>

Yeah disasters (of all shapes and colors) strike and leave us scarred.
Isn't it more intelligent to pick up the pieces and move on than to keep 
putting salt on the scars?

PS If you de-expletivize your name, maybe more people will pay attention to
what you want to say

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#92003

On 03/06/2015 22:22, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 4:27:39 AM UTC+5:30, Dr. Bigcock wrote:
>> We can make Python like LISP:
>>
>> 1.  Make EVERYTHING the same kind of thing (call it "object").
>> 2.  Let's make a lot of meta functions like super, instead of judicious use of interpreter impositions.
>> 3. Forget *practicality*.  All hail *purity*.
>>
>> Wait.  Someone's time machine broke.
>>
>> Mark
>
> Hi Mark
>
> The way you keep bringing up Lisp, λ-calculus, etc completely without relevance
> to anything, I wonder if you had a bad experience with someone teaching these
> and thereabouts?
>
> <Dark Secret>
> Everyone knows that the average student is below average.
> More true for the average teacher
> </Dark Secret>
>
> Yeah disasters (of all shapes and colors) strike and leave us scarred.
> Isn't it more intelligent to pick up the pieces and move on than to keep
> putting salt on the scars?
>
> PS If you de-expletivize your name, maybe more people will pay attention to
> what you want to say
>

Please stop replying to this brain dead pot smoking hippy. My mail 
filters work perfectly to keep him away from my inbox, so I'm not 
interested in seeing his complete and utter garbage effectively 
forwarded on from somebody else, thank you.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#92019

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 5:50:24 PM UTC-4, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 03/06/2015 22:22, Rustom Mody wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 4:27:39 AM UTC+5:30, Dr. Bigcock wrote:
> >> We can make Python like LISP:
> >>
> >> 1.  Make EVERYTHING the same kind of thing (call it "object").
> >> 2.  Let's make a lot of meta functions like super, instead of judicious use of interpreter impositions.
> >> 3. Forget *practicality*.  All hail *purity*.
> >>
> >> Wait.  Someone's time machine broke.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >
> > Hi Mark
> >
> > The way you keep bringing up Lisp, λ-calculus, etc completely without relevance
> > to anything, I wonder if you had a bad experience with someone teaching these
> > and thereabouts?
> >
> > <Dark Secret>
> > Everyone knows that the average student is below average.
> > More true for the average teacher
> > </Dark Secret>
> >
> > Yeah disasters (of all shapes and colors) strike and leave us scarred.
> > Isn't it more intelligent to pick up the pieces and move on than to keep
> > putting salt on the scars?
> >
> > PS If you de-expletivize your name, maybe more people will pay attention to
> > what you want to say
> >
> 
> Please stop replying to this brain dead pot smoking hippy. 

Please don't stoop to name-calling.  It isn't necessary.

--Ned.

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#92020

On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 7:24:19 AM UTC+5:30, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 5:50:24 PM UTC-4, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> > On 03/06/2015 22:22, Rustom Mody wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 4:27:39 AM UTC+5:30, Dr. Bigcock wrote:
> > >> We can make Python like LISP:
> > >>
> > >> 1.  Make EVERYTHING the same kind of thing (call it "object").
> > >> 2.  Let's make a lot of meta functions like super, instead of judicious use of interpreter impositions.
> > >> 3. Forget *practicality*.  All hail *purity*.
> > >>
> > >> Wait.  Someone's time machine broke.
> > >>
> > >> Mark
> > >
> > > Hi Mark
> > >
> > > The way you keep bringing up Lisp, λ-calculus, etc completely without relevance
> > > to anything, I wonder if you had a bad experience with someone teaching these
> > > and thereabouts?
> > >
> > > <Dark Secret>
> > > Everyone knows that the average student is below average.
> > > More true for the average teacher
> > > </Dark Secret>
> > >
> > > Yeah disasters (of all shapes and colors) strike and leave us scarred.
> > > Isn't it more intelligent to pick up the pieces and move on than to keep
> > > putting salt on the scars?
> > >
> > > PS If you de-expletivize your name, maybe more people will pay attention to
> > > what you want to say
> > >
> > 
> > Please stop replying to this brain dead pot smoking hippy. 
> 
> Please don't stoop to name-calling.  It isn't necessary.

Pot-Kettle?

Others have noted that Mark Lawrence's contributions here are in fringe-spam category:

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2015-March/687314.html
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2014-October/679909.html

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#92026

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 4:23:08 PM UTC-5, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 4:27:39 AM UTC+5:30, Dr. Bigcock wrote:
> > We can make Python like LISP:
> > 
> > 1.  Make EVERYTHING the same kind of thing (call it "object").
> > 2.  Let's make a lot of meta functions like super, instead of judicious use of interpreter impositions.
> > 3. Forget *practicality*.  All hail *purity*.
> > 
> > Wait.  Someone's time machine broke.
> > 
> > Mark
> 
> Hi Mark
> 
> The way you keep bringing up Lisp, λ-calculus, etc completely without relevance
> to anything,

No, you're wrong.  It IS relevant:  see point #3 to decipher.  Trying to make everything inherit from object is/was the wrong move.  It's not specific to Python, it just happens to be where I work.

> I wonder if you had a bad experience with someone teaching these
> and thereabouts?

Not at all.  I love LISP.  But fuck can we agree we don't want to re-create it?  Why, you might ask, since LISP is awesome?  Because, we have PRACTICAL issues, like machine limitations.

> <Dark Secret>
> Everyone knows that the average student is below average.
> More true for the average teacher
> </Dark Secret>

That's not much of a secret for those of us who've been in academia.

> PS If you de-expletivize your name, maybe more people will pay attention to
> what you want to say

But I want people to believe in me for what I know, not for some superficial non-reason.  HAHAHAHAHA

mark

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