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asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines?

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  asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Paul  Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 08:22 -0700
    Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Zachary Ware <zachary.ware+pylist@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 11:11 -0500
      Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Paul  Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 10:55 -0700
    Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-05-05 13:15 -0400
    Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-05-05 20:45 +0300
      Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 21:47 -0700
        Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-06 15:48 +1000
          Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-05-07 21:06 -0700
            Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-05-08 14:33 +1000
              Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-05-07 21:53 -0700
                Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-05-07 21:55 -0700
                Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-05-08 15:09 +1000
                  Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-05-07 23:36 -0700
                    Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-05-08 16:42 +1000
                    Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2015-05-08 07:53 -0400
                    Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-05-08 23:02 +1000
        Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-05-06 09:11 -0400
          Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-05-07 21:20 -0700
    Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 11:46 -0600
      Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Paul  Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 11:03 -0700
    Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 12:55 -0500
    Re: asyncio: What is the difference between tasks, futures, and coroutines? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-05-05 18:38 -0400

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Paul> ... I'm frankly confused ...

You and me both. I'm pretty sure I understand what a Future is, and
until the long discussion about PEP 492 (?) started up, I thought I
understood what a coroutine was from my days in school many years ago.
Now I'm not so sure.

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On 5/5/2015 1:46 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Paul  Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm working my way through the asyncio documentation. I have got to the "Tasks and coroutines" section, but I'm frankly confused as to the difference between the various things described in that section: coroutines, tasks, and futures.
>>
>> I think can understand a coroutine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's roughly "something that you can run which can suspend itself".
>>
>> But I don't understand what a Future is. The document just says it's almost the same as a concurrent.futures.Future, which is described as something that "encapsulates the asynchronous execution of a callable". Which doesn't help a lot. In concurrent.futures, you don't create Futures, you get them back from submit(), but in the asyncio docs it looks like you can create them by hand (example "Future with run_until_complete"). And there's nothing that says what a Future is, just what it's like... :-(
>
> Fundamentally, a future is a placeholder for something that isn't
> available yet. You can use it to set a callback to be called when that
> thing is available, and once it's available you can get that thing
> from it.
>
>> A Task is a subclass of Future, but the documentation doesn't say what it *is*, but rather that it "schedules the execution of a coroutine". But that doesn't make sense to me - objects don't do things, they *are* things. I thought the event loop did the scheduling?
>
> In asyncio, a Task is a a Future that serves as a placeholder for the
> result of a coroutine. The event loop manages callbacks, and that's
> all it does. An event that it's been told to listen for occurs, and
> the event loop calls the callback associated with that event. The Task
> manages a coroutine's interaction with the event loop; when the
> coroutine yields a future, the Task instructs the event loop to listen
> for the completion of that future, setting a callback that will resume
> the coroutine.
>
>> Reading between the lines, it seems that the event loop schedules Tasks (which makes sense) and that Tasks somehow wrap up coroutines - but I don't see *why* you need to wrap a task in a coroutine rather than just scheduling coroutines. And I don't see where Futures fit in - why not just wrap a coroutine in a Future, if it needs to be wrapped up at all?
>
> The coroutines themselves are not that interesting of an interface;
> all you can do with them is resume them. The asynchronous execution
> done by asyncio is all based on futures. Because a coroutine can
> easily be wrapped in a Task, this allows for coroutines to be used
> anywhere a future is expected.
>
> I don't know if I've done a good job explaining, but I hope this helps.

It helps me.  Thanks.



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