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| Started by | Scott Novinger <scnovinger@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2013-10-19 05:23 -0700 |
| Last post | 2013-10-21 15:29 -0500 |
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Error Testing Scott Novinger <scnovinger@gmail.com> - 2013-10-19 05:23 -0700
Re: Error Testing Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-19 13:37 +0100
Re: Error Testing Scott Novinger <scnovinger@gmail.com> - 2013-10-19 06:34 -0700
Re: Error Testing Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-20 00:42 +1100
Re: Error Testing rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-19 09:22 -0700
Re: Error Testing Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-20 09:28 +1100
Re: Error Testing Ned Deily <nad@acm.org> - 2013-10-19 15:46 -0700
Re: Error Testing Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-20 10:02 +1100
Re: Error Testing Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-10-20 12:18 -0400
Re: Error Testing Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-19 08:44 -0400
Re: Error Testing Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-10-19 08:57 -0400
Re: Error Testing Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-20 00:04 +1100
Re: Error Testing Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-19 09:07 -0400
Re: Error Testing Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-10-19 09:09 -0400
Re: Error Testing Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-19 14:19 +0100
Re: Error Testing Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-20 00:01 +1100
Re: Error Testing David Robinow <drobinow@gmail.com> - 2013-10-19 14:08 -0400
Re: Error Testing Tim Chase <tim@thechases.com> - 2013-10-19 13:31 -0500
Re: Error Testing Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-10-19 15:50 -0400
What's wrong with Windows Command Prompt (was Re: Error Testing) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-10-19 16:35 -0400
Re: What's wrong with Windows Command Prompt (was Re: Error Testing) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-20 09:15 +1100
Re: Error Testing Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-20 09:20 +1100
Re: What's wrong with Windows Command Prompt (was Re: Error Testing) David Robinow <drobinow@gmail.com> - 2013-10-21 15:55 -0400
Re: What's wrong with Windows Command Prompt (was Re: Error Testing) Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-21 15:29 -0500
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-20 09:15 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: What's wrong with Windows Command Prompt (was Re: Error Testing) |
| Message-ID | <mailman.1268.1382220915.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #57091 |
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> wrote: > Idle can recall previous input two different ways, by cursor or key. One can > use the mouse to select where to edit. CP requires use of arrow keys to move > the cursor around. Idle recall input *statements*. CP recalls input *lines*. > Previous multiline statements have to be recalled a line at a time. CP was > not designed for true multiline commands (as opposed to long commands that > wrap and display as multiple lines). This issue applies also to Linux builds with readline. It's Idle's primary boast, I think, closely followed by hover help for function signatures. ChrisA
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-20 09:20 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.1270.1382221243.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #57091 |
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> wrote: > On 10/19/2013 2:08 PM, David Robinow wrote: >> >> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You can try all these out in the interactive interpreter (you probably >>> have IDLE installed, which on Windows is rather nicer to work with >>> than the default interactive mode). >> >> IDLE is cross-platform. Could you explain why you say "on Windows"? > > > The command line console on *nix is apparently less obnoxious that the one > on Windows. So for people who use an editor other than the Idle editor, > there is less reason to use just the Idle shell. Less obnoxious, more friendly, and way WAY more powerful. As I said in the other thread, multi-line recall is its biggest lack, but for the rest, it's quite usable. On Windows, not so much. (Mind you, I'm accustomed to readline, so if you don't have it, you'll feel more strongly about Idle.) ChrisA
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| From | David Robinow <drobinow@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-21 15:55 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: What's wrong with Windows Command Prompt (was Re: Error Testing) |
| Message-ID | <mailman.1317.1382385328.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #57091 |
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> wrote: > On 10/19/2013 2:31 PM, Tim Chase wrote: >> >> On 2013-10-19 14:08, David Robinow wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>>> >>>> You can try all these out in the interactive interpreter (you >>>> probably have IDLE installed, which on Windows is rather nicer to >>>> work with than the default interactive mode). >>> >>> >>> IDLE is cross-platform. Could you explain why you say "on >>> Windows"? >> ... > [Description of idle vs. Command Prompt] Not quite what I was trying to ask. I'm well aware that Idle has features that the Python interpreter on Windows doesn't. Idle also has features that the unix variants doesn't. I don't use my Ubuntu much so I'm somewhat ignorant, but I wasn't aware that the interactive interpreter on Linux had features that the Windows version didn't. I'm curious what those features might be.
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| From | Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-21 15:29 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: What's wrong with Windows Command Prompt (was Re: Error Testing) |
| Message-ID | <mailman.1320.1382387285.18130.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #57091 |
On 2013-10-21 15:55, David Robinow wrote: > I wasn't aware that the interactive interpreter on Linux had > features that the Windows version didn't. I'm curious what those > features might be. It's mostly the benefits that come from being built with the readline library, meaning you get - command history (Win32 offers this, the rest not AFAIK) - command-history searchability (control+R) - the ability to pull down things from previous lines (alt+period in particular) - the ability to comment out the currently typed command without executing it (alt+octothorpe) - the ability to prefix text/commands with a count (alt+number_of_times followed by the character/command) - the ability to insert matching filenames (alt+asterisk after typing path relative to the $CWD) - clearing to the start/end of line (control+U/control+K) - the ability to paste content (control+Y) previously-cut by ^U/^K - the ability to transpose adjacent words (alt+T) - the ability to jump forward/backward to a specified character (control+] and control+alt+] followed by the target char) like f/F in vi/vim Those are just a subset of the power offered by readline when built into Python's interpreter, none of which work (other than that first one) on Win32's cmd.exe (or, I suppose command.com). -tkc
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