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  security quirk RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-29 20:55 -0800
    Signal versus noise (was: security quirk) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-01-30 16:10 +1100
    Re: security quirk Rodrick Brown <rodrick.brown@gmail.com> - 2013-01-30 00:14 -0500
    Re: security quirk Chris Rebert <clp2@rebertia.com> - 2013-01-29 21:16 -0800
    Re: security quirk Martin Musatov <marty.musatov@gmail.com> - 2013-01-30 06:37 -0800
      Re: security quirk "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2013-01-30 22:40 +0000
    Re: security quirk Gandalf  Parker <gandalf@the.dead.ISP.of.Community.net> - 2013-01-30 14:39 +0000
      Re: security quirk RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-30 11:39 -0800
        Re: security quirk Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-01-30 14:45 -0500
        Re: security quirk alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-01-30 17:16 -0800
        Re: security quirk Gandalf  Parker <gandalf@the.dead.ISP.of.Community.net> - 2013-01-31 14:07 +0000
    Re: security quirk Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2013-01-30 11:59 -0800
    Re: security quirk Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-30 20:40 -0500

#37919 — security quirk

I read Wall Street Journal, and occasionally check
articles on their Web site.  It's mostly free, with some items
available to subscribers only.  It seems random, which ones
they block, about 20%.

Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author
or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and
link from there, and it loads!  ok, Web gurus, what's going on?


--
Rich

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#37920 — Signal versus noise (was: security quirk)

RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> writes:

> Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author
> or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and
> link from there, and it loads!  ok, Web gurus, what's going on?

That evidently has nothing in particular to do with the topic of this
forum: the Python programming language.

If you want to just comment on arbitrary things with the internet at
large, you have many other forums available. Please at least try to keep
this forum on-topic.

-- 
 \         “Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a |
  `\                        dog, it's too dark to read.” —Groucho Marx |
_o__)                                                                  |
Ben Finney

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#37921

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On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:55 PM, RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I read Wall Street Journal, and occasionally check
> articles on their Web site.  It's mostly free, with some items
> available to subscribers only.  It seems random, which ones
> they block, about 20%.
>
> Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author
> or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and
> link from there, and it loads!  ok, Web gurus, what's going on?
>
>
Its Gremlins! I tell you Gremlins!!!


>
> --
> Rich
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>

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#37923

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I read Wall Street Journal, and occasionally check
> articles on their Web site.  It's mostly free, with some items
> available to subscribers only.  It seems random, which ones
> they block, about 20%.
>
> Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author
> or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and
> link from there, and it loads!  ok, Web gurus, what's going on?

http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=first+click+free

BTW, this has absolutely jack squat to do with Python. Please direct
similar future inquiries to a more relevant forum.

Regards,
Chris

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#37940

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> articles on their Web site.  It's mostly free, with some items
> available to subscribers only.  It seems random, which ones
> they block, about 20%.
>
> Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author
> or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and
> link from there, and it loads!  ok, Web gurus, what's going on?
>
> --
> Rich

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#37971

Martin Musatov wrote:

> On Jan 29, 8:55 pm, RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I read Wall Street Journal, and occasionally check<NotepadPlus>
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[snip]
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Ignoring the big ol' unneccessary crosspost... What the fuck?

-- 
Oooh, I just learned a new euphemism.

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#37941

RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> contributed wisdom to  news:b968c6c6-5aa9-
4584-bd7a-5b097f17c54d@pu9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:

> Web gurus, what's going on?
> 

That is the fault of the site itself.
If they are going to block access to users then they should also block 
access to the automated spiders that hit the site to collect data.

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#37953

On Jan 30, Gandalf  Parker <gand...@the.dead.ISP.of.Community.net>
wrote:
> > Web gurus, what's going on?
>
> That is the fault of the site itself.
> If they are going to block access to users then they should also block
> access to the automated spiders that hit the site to collect data.

well yeah, but what's going on, under the hood?
How does it get confused?  How could this
happen?  I'm looking for some insight, regarding a
hypothetical programmimg glitch -


--
Rich

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#37954

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On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:39 PM, RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Jan 30, Gandalf  Parker <gand...@the.dead.ISP.of.Community.net>
> wrote:
> > > Web gurus, what's going on?
> >
> > That is the fault of the site itself.
> > If they are going to block access to users then they should also block
> > access to the automated spiders that hit the site to collect data.
>
> well yeah, but what's going on, under the hood?
> How does it get confused?  How could this
> happen?  I'm looking for some insight, regarding a
> hypothetical programmimg glitch -
>
>
> --
> Rich
> --
>
> As was pointed out, this really is off topic for this group.  You might
try googling.  The NYTimes makes articles available by adding a parameter
to the tail of the url I believe


-- 
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com

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#37976

On Jan 31, 5:39 am, RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> well yeah, but what's going on, under the hood?
> How does it get confused?  How could this
> happen?  I'm looking for some insight, regarding a
> hypothetical programmimg glitch -

As has been stated, this has nothing to do with Python, so please stop
posting your questions here.

However, here's an answer to get you to stop repeating yourself: it's
not uncommon to find that content you're restricted from accessing via
a site's own search is available to you through Google. This has to do
with Google's policy of _requiring_ that pages that it is allowed to
index _must_ be available for view. Any site that allows Google to
index its pages that then blocks you from viewing them will swiftly
find themselves web site-a non gratis in Google search. As most
websites are attention whores, they'll do anything to ensure they
remain within Google's indices.

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#37993

RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> contributed wisdom to  news:badd4188-196b-
45e3-ba8a-511d471282fa@nh8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:

> On Jan 30, Gandalf  Parker <gand...@the.dead.ISP.of.Community.net>
> wrote:
>> > Web gurus, what's going on?
>>
>> That is the fault of the site itself.
>> If they are going to block access to users then they should also block
>> access to the automated spiders that hit the site to collect data.
> 
> well yeah, but what's going on, under the hood?
> How does it get confused?  How could this
> happen?  I'm looking for some insight, regarding a
> hypothetical programmimg glitch -

(from alt.hacker)

You dont understand. It is not in the code. It is in the site.
It is as if someone comes and picks fruit off of your tree, and you are 
questioning the tree for how it bears fruit. 

The site creates web pages. 
Google collects web pages.
The site needs to set things like robot.txt to tell Google to NOT collect 
the pages in the archives. Which is not an absolute protection but at least 
its an effort that works for most sites.

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#37957

On 01/29/13 20:55, RichD so wittily quipped:
> I read Wall Street Journal, and occasionally check
> articles on their Web site.  It's mostly free, with some items
> available to subscribers only.  It seems random, which ones
> they block, about 20%.
>
> Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author
> or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and
> link from there, and it loads!  ok, Web gurus, what's going on?

in my last post, I quoted an article from 'The Register' where they talk 
about how Facebook (literally) "broke" that feature.

[this works in a LOT of places, but sometimes you have to enable cookies 
or javascript to actually see the content]

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#37977

On 1/29/2013 11:55 PM, RichD wrote:
> I read Wall Street Journal, and occasionally check
> articles on their Web site.  It's mostly free, with some items
> available to subscribers only.  It seems random, which ones
> they block, about 20%.
>
> Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author
> or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and
> link from there, and it loads!  ok, Web gurus, what's going on?

WSJ want their articles to be findable from Google.

So they open up for Google indexing them.

If they require any type of registration to see an article,
then Google will remove the link.

So therefore WSJ (and many other web sites!) gives more access
if you come from Google than if not.

Arne

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