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| Started by | Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2012-09-15 10:33 -0700 |
| Last post | 2012-09-15 12:26 -0700 |
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datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-15 10:33 -0700
Re: datetime issue Jason Friedman <jason@powerpull.net> - 2012-09-15 12:58 -0600
Re: datetime issue Chris Rebert <clp2@rebertia.com> - 2012-09-15 12:05 -0700
Re: datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-15 12:26 -0700
Re: datetime issue MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-09-15 21:28 +0100
Re: datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-15 22:15 -0700
Re: datetime issue Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-09-16 01:53 -0400
Re: datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 00:51 -0700
Re: datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 01:18 -0700
Re: datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 01:18 -0700
Re: datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 00:51 -0700
Re: datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 01:25 -0700
Re: datetime issue Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-16 09:53 +0000
Re: datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 03:15 -0700
Re: datetime issue Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-16 10:49 +0000
Re: datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 03:54 -0700
Re: datetime issue Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-16 11:34 +0000
Re: datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 04:56 -0700
Re: datetime issue Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-09-16 15:31 -0400
Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-09-16 23:18 +1000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) pandora.koura@gmail.com - 2012-09-16 08:41 -0700
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 11:57 -0400
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) pandora.koura@gmail.com - 2012-09-16 09:06 -0700
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 12:23 -0400
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-16 16:54 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-16 20:26 +0100
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2012-09-16 12:32 -0400
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) pandora.koura@gmail.com - 2012-09-16 09:06 -0700
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-09-16 12:30 -0400
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-16 16:52 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh@kathe.in> - 2012-09-17 01:09 +0530
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Jamie Paul Griffin <jamie@kode5.net> - 2012-09-17 14:28 +0100
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) pandora.koura@gmail.com - 2012-09-16 08:44 -0700
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-17 01:57 +1000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) pandora.koura@gmail.com - 2012-09-16 09:02 -0700
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) pandora.koura@gmail.com - 2012-09-16 09:02 -0700
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2012-09-16 12:28 -0400
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Robert Miles <robertmiles@teranews.com> - 2012-10-31 00:18 -0500
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 17:47 -0700
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-09-16 20:55 -0400
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 18:14 -0700
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Robert Miles <robertmiles@teranews.com> - 2012-10-31 00:39 -0500
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Jamie Paul Griffin <jamie@kode5.net> - 2012-11-01 09:55 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups rurpy@yahoo.com - 2012-11-01 15:08 -0700
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 10:32 +1100
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-02 01:25 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-11-01 21:42 -0400
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups "Rhodri James" <rhodri@wildebst.demon.co.uk> - 2012-11-02 02:07 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-11-02 14:11 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Jamie Paul Griffin <jamie@kode5.net> - 2012-11-02 09:36 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups rurpy@yahoo.com - 2012-11-02 11:39 -0700
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-11-03 00:06 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Jamie Paul Griffin <jamie@kode5.net> - 2012-11-04 11:13 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-11-04 22:10 -0800
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-11-05 17:39 +1100
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-11-04 23:34 -0800
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-11-05 07:56 -0500
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-11-06 01:20 +1100
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-11-05 14:59 +0000
RE: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-11-06 16:52 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-06 05:03 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-11-06 08:52 -0500
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups GangGreene <GangGreene@example.com> - 2012-11-06 11:51 -0500
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-06 23:14 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups GangGreene <GangGreene@example.com> - 2012-11-06 19:16 -0500
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-11-07 15:13 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2012-11-07 18:52 +1300
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-11-07 01:04 -0500
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-07 08:15 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-11-05 11:28 -0500
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-11-05 18:20 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-11-05 14:47 -0500
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-06 04:46 +0000
RE: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-11-06 17:16 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-06 22:50 +0000
RE: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-11-06 23:08 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-07 00:13 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> - 2012-11-09 12:34 +0100
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-10 06:57 +0000
RE: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Kushal Kumaran <kushal.kumaran+python@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 15:08 +0530
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> - 2012-11-09 10:49 +0100
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-09 11:30 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups rurpy@yahoo.com - 2012-11-05 11:41 -0800
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Virgil Stokes <vs@it.uu.se> - 2012-11-04 17:52 +0100
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2012-11-03 07:44 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-11-03 10:24 -0400
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-03 16:18 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-11-04 03:05 +1100
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-11-02 11:42 -0600
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-11-04 18:39 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Thomas Rachel <nutznetz-0c1b6768-bfa9-48d5-a470-7603bd3aa915@spamschutz.glglgl.de> - 2012-11-09 12:02 +0100
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Robert Miles <robertmiles@teranews.com> - 2012-09-21 00:22 -0500
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-21 15:07 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2012-09-21 22:11 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Hank Gay <hank.gay+eternal.september@gmail.com> - 2012-09-21 20:51 -0400
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-09-22 00:13 -0400
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups (was: datetime issue) Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-09-23 22:25 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Robert Miles <robertmiles@teranews.com> - 2012-10-31 00:07 -0500
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups rurpy@yahoo.com - 2012-10-31 12:32 -0700
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-10-31 22:33 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Arnaud Delobelle <arnodel@gmail.com> - 2012-10-31 23:58 +0000
Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups Jamie Paul Griffin <jamie@kode5.net> - 2012-11-01 09:44 +0000
Re: datetime issue Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-09-16 09:22 -0400
Re: datetime issue Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 23:32 +1000
Re: datetime issue Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-17 00:10 +1000
gc.get_objects() Matteo Boscolo <matteo.boscolo@boscolini.eu> - 2012-09-17 14:42 +0200
Re: gc.get_objects() Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-09-17 14:16 +0000
Re: gc.get_objects() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-18 02:09 +1000
Re: gc.get_objects() Matteo Boscolo <matteo.boscolo@boscolini.eu> - 2012-09-17 19:23 +0200
Re: gc.get_objects() Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-09-17 17:43 +0000
Re: datetime issue Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-31 15:11 +0000
Re: datetime issue rurpy@yahoo.com - 2012-10-31 12:35 -0700
Re: datetime issue Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-10-31 21:38 +0000
Re: datetime issue Robert Miles <robertmiles@teranews.com> - 2012-10-31 19:23 -0500
Re: datetime issue Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-11-01 00:36 +0000
Re: datetime issue rurpy@yahoo.com - 2012-11-01 15:00 -0700
Re: datetime issue Jamie Paul Griffin <jamie@kode5.net> - 2012-11-02 09:57 +0000
Re: datetime issue rurpy@yahoo.com - 2012-11-02 11:43 -0700
Re: datetime issue Robert Miles <robertmiles@teranews.com> - 2012-10-31 19:09 -0500
Re: datetime issue Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-11-01 12:09 +0000
Re: datetime issue rurpy@yahoo.com - 2012-11-01 15:28 -0700
Re: datetime issue "Günther Dietrich" <gd.usenet@spamfence.net> - 2012-09-16 15:22 +0200
Re: datetime issue pandora.koura@gmail.com - 2012-09-16 08:43 -0700
Re: datetime issue Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-09-16 15:35 -0400
Re: datetime issue MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-09-16 16:27 +0100
Re: datetime issue pandora.koura@gmail.com - 2012-09-16 08:40 -0700
Re: datetime issue Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-09-17 01:54 +1000
Re: datetime issue Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-16 20:23 +0100
Re: datetime issue pandora.koura@gmail.com - 2012-09-16 08:40 -0700
Re: datetime issue Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-09-16 15:37 -0400
Re: datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-16 01:25 -0700
Re: datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-15 22:15 -0700
Re: datetime issue Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2012-09-15 12:26 -0700
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| From | Arnaud Delobelle <arnodel@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-31 23:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups |
| Message-ID | <mailman.3131.1351727908.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #32536 |
On 31 October 2012 22:33, Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote: [...] > I don't killfile merely for posting from Gmail And we are humbly grateful. -- Arnaud
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| From | Jamie Paul Griffin <jamie@kode5.net> |
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| Date | 2012-11-01 09:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups |
| Message-ID | <mailman.3140.1351763980.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #32536 |
/ Steven D'Aprano wrote on Wed 31.Oct'12 at 22:33:16 +0000 / > On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:32:57 -0700, rurpy wrote: > I don't killfile merely for posting from Gmail or Google Groups, but > regarding your second point, it has seemed to me for some years now that > Gmail is the new Hotmail, which was the new AOL. Whenever there is an > inane, lazy, mind-numbingly stupid question or post, chances are > extremely high that the sender has a Gmail address. That's a bit harsh but then, sadly there's some truth in it. I subscribe to a number of technical mailing lists, like that of my OS OpenBSD and the problem doesn't exist there whether they use Gmail or Hotmail, etc, or not. This and the tutor python list are the two I have the most problems with formatting. Some people just don't seem to give a shit about sending horrid html and other irritating formatted mail in spite of being asked not to do so.
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| From | Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-16 09:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <roy-262E6E.09221616092012@news.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #29298 |
In article <4f9d9a0b-539a-4b6a-af3e-b02d1f4006ee@googlegroups.com>, Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote: > Iam sorry i didnt do that on purpose and i dont know how this is done. > > Iam positng via google groups using chrome, thats all i know. > > Whats a mailing list? Is it September already?
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-16 23:32 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.789.1347802379.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #29307 |
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote: > In article <4f9d9a0b-539a-4b6a-af3e-b02d1f4006ee@googlegroups.com>, > Νικόλαος Κούρας <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote: >> Iam sorry i didnt do that on purpose and i dont know how this is done. >> >> Iam positng via google groups using chrome, thats all i know. >> >> Whats a mailing list? > > Is it September already? Yes, it is; what does that mean in response to this question? Is there something about September that causes the question, or is it a once per month[1] question? ChrisA [1] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OncePerEpisode
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-17 00:10 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.790.1347804623.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #29309 |
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote: > In article <mailman.789.1347802379.27098.python-list@python.org>, > Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > Is it September already? >> >> Yes, it is; what does that mean in response to this question? Is there >> something about September that causes the question, or is it a once >> per month[1] question? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September Ohh, yes. I do remember reading about that. Yes, it is definitely September. Back in 1993, I wasn't yet started on networking. My dad ran things, because I was only nine years old, and he definitely (and quite rightly) didn't let me onto the internet. So I'm a tad young to know about these things beyond what I've read in the history books... ChrisA
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| From | Matteo Boscolo <matteo.boscolo@boscolini.eu> |
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| Date | 2012-09-17 14:42 +0200 |
| Subject | gc.get_objects() |
| Message-ID | <mailman.833.1347885784.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #29309 |
Hi All, I'm facing some trouble with a win32com application, it seems, that some com object (win32com) are still in the gc.get_objetc() list, even if I set to non the objetc and I'm out of the scope of that objects. What I'm try to do is to remove this object from the list. but I do know how.. the .__del__() method dose not work on this object... there is someone that can give me some help on this ? Regards, Matteo
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2012-09-17 14:16 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: gc.get_objects() |
| Message-ID | <505730ad$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #29377 |
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:42:56 +0200, Matteo Boscolo wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm facing some trouble with a win32com application, it seems, that some > com object (win32com) are still in the gc.get_objetc() list, even if I > set to non the objetc and I'm out of the scope of that objects. You can't set an object to None. An object is itself. It is *always* itself, you can't tell Python to turn it into None. What you can do is re-bind a *name* from an object to None. Suppose you say: x = Spam() then there is a binding between name "x" and the object Spam(), which I will call "spam" from now on. When you then later say: x = None this does *not* convert spam into None, what it does is cuts the binding between name "x" and spam, and binds the name "x" to None. The object spam still exists. If there are no other references to spam, then the garbage collector automatically destroys the spam object. But if there are still references to the spam object, then it will remain alive, and the gc will keep tracking it. References can include: * name bindings: x = spam * list items: mylist.append(spam) * dict keys and values: mydict[spam] = 42; mydict["key"] = spam * attributes: myobject.attr = spam * default values to function parameters: def foo(a, b=spam): ... and probably others. > What I'm try to do is to remove this object from the list. but I do > know how.. If you have a com object being tracked by the garbage collector, that means that it is still in use, somewhere in your program. You can't just tell the gc to stop tracking it. You need to find where you still have a reference to the object. > the .__del__() method dose not work on this object... The __del__ method does not delete an object. Remember, objects are only deleted when there are no references to it. Otherwise you could have some code that tries to use a deleted object, and you would get a system crash or BSOD. The __del__ method is called only when the object is *just about* to be deleted. In general, you should avoid using __del__ methods. They interfere with the garbage collector's ability to resolve cycles. The problem is, what happens if an object contains a link to itself? x = [] x.append(x) Such cycles could be very deep: a = []; b = []; c = []; d = []; ... y = []; z = [] a.append(b) b.append(c) c.append(d) ... y.append(z) z.append(a) ### a cycle appears ### Now you have a cycle of 26 objects, each of which indirectly refers to itself. Normally, Python's garbage collector can recognise such a cycle and safely break it, which then allows all of the objects to be deleted. But if you add a __del__ method to *even one* object, Python can no longer safely break the cycle, and so the objects will remain alive even when you can no longer reach them from your code. So, in general, avoid the __del__ method unless you absolutely need it. -- Steven
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-09-18 02:09 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: gc.get_objects() |
| Message-ID | <mailman.836.1347898166.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #29379 |
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote: > The __del__ method does not delete an object. Remember, objects are only > deleted when there are no references to it. Otherwise you could have some > code that tries to use a deleted object, and you would get a system crash > or BSOD. There is a conceptually viable alternative: destroy an object immediately and force all references to it to become some sentinel value (eg None). Python currently doesn't have this, but it would be rather convenient at times. Could be part of a construct like 'with' to say "make this, use it, and then dispose of it". ChrisA
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| From | Matteo Boscolo <matteo.boscolo@boscolini.eu> |
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| Date | 2012-09-17 19:23 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: gc.get_objects() |
| Message-ID | <mailman.837.1347902617.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #29379 |
from my gc.get_object()
I extract the sub system of the object that I would like to delete:
this is the object:
Class name
win32com.gen_py.F4503A16-F637-11D2-BD55-00500400405Bx0x1x0.ITDProperty.ITDProperty
that is traked and the reference are:
get_referents >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
RefCount 5
<type 'tuple'> >>>> (<class win32com.client.DispatchBaseClass at
0x026ACB58>,)
RefCount 5
<type 'dict'> >>>> '__int__': <function __int__ at 0x03A50770>,
'__module__': 'win32com.gen_py.F45
RefCount 8
<type 'str'> >>>> ITDProperty
RefCount 9
<type 'function'> >>>> <function __getattr__ at 0x026C2630>
RefCount 9
<type 'function'> >>>> <function __setattr__ at 0x026C2670>
get_referrers >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
RefCount 15
<type 'dict'> >>>> 'python_version': 34014192, 'defaultUnnamedArg':
<PyOleEmpty object at 0x00447E
RefCount 6
<type 'list'> >>>> <class
win32com.gen_py.F4503A16-F637-11D2-BD55-00500400405Bx0x1x0.ITDProperty.I
RefCount 4
<type 'list'> >>>> (u'ItemsListCreator', u'trick', u'pVal'), (3, 49,
'0', None), (16393, 10, None,
RefCount 4
<type 'frame'> >>>> <frame object at 0x029721D8>
RefCount 7
<type 'frame'> >>>> <frame object at 0x02760148>
RefCount 5
<type 'dict'> >>>> '{39AAEA35-F71F-11D2-BD59-00500400405B}': <class
win32com.gen_py.F4503A16-F637-
how can I understand how to clean up this situation or were are the
references that I need to delete ?
From the cad non python script I call an in process python com object,
and before coming back to the cad application I need to clean up all com
reference, because if I do not do that I corrupt the cad application .
so I urgently need to clean up all reference before coming back to the
cad application.
any idea?
regards,
Matteo
Il 17/09/2012 18:09, Chris Angelico ha scritto:
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
>> The __del__ method does not delete an object. Remember, objects are only
>> deleted when there are no references to it. Otherwise you could have some
>> code that tries to use a deleted object, and you would get a system crash
>> or BSOD.
> There is a conceptually viable alternative: destroy an object
> immediately and force all references to it to become some sentinel
> value (eg None). Python currently doesn't have this, but it would be
> rather convenient at times. Could be part of a construct like 'with'
> to say "make this, use it, and then dispose of it".
>
> ChrisA
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| From | Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-09-17 17:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: gc.get_objects() |
| Message-ID | <mailman.838.1347903801.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #29379 |
On 2012-09-17, Matteo Boscolo <matteo.boscolo@boscolini.eu> wrote:
> from my gc.get_object()
> I extract the sub system of the object that I would like to delete:
>
> this is the object:
> Class name
> win32com.gen_py.F4503A16-F637-11D2-BD55-00500400405Bx0x1x0.ITDProperty.ITDProperty
> that is traked and the reference are:
> get_referents >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> RefCount 5
><type 'tuple'> >>>> (<class win32com.client.DispatchBaseClass at
> 0x026ACB58>,)
> RefCount 5
><type 'dict'> >>>> '__int__': <function __int__ at 0x03A50770>,
> '__module__': 'win32com.gen_py.F45
> RefCount 8
><type 'str'> >>>> ITDProperty
> RefCount 9
><type 'function'> >>>> <function __getattr__ at 0x026C2630>
> RefCount 9
><type 'function'> >>>> <function __setattr__ at 0x026C2670>
> get_referrers >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> RefCount 15
><type 'dict'> >>>> 'python_version': 34014192, 'defaultUnnamedArg':
><PyOleEmpty object at 0x00447E
> RefCount 6
><type 'list'> >>>> <class
> win32com.gen_py.F4503A16-F637-11D2-BD55-00500400405Bx0x1x0.ITDProperty.I
> RefCount 4
><type 'list'> >>>> (u'ItemsListCreator', u'trick', u'pVal'), (3, 49,
> '0', None), (16393, 10, None,
> RefCount 4
><type 'frame'> >>>> <frame object at 0x029721D8>
> RefCount 7
><type 'frame'> >>>> <frame object at 0x02760148>
> RefCount 5
><type 'dict'> >>>> '{39AAEA35-F71F-11D2-BD59-00500400405B}': <class
> win32com.gen_py.F4503A16-F637-
>
> how can I understand how to clean up this situation or were are the
> references that I need to delete ?
>
> From the cad non python script I call an in process python com object,
> and before coming back to the cad application I need to clean up all com
> reference, because if I do not do that I corrupt the cad application .
>
> so I urgently need to clean up all reference before coming back to the
> cad application.
>
> any idea?
>
http://mg.pov.lt/objgraph/
http://mg.pov.lt/blog/hunting-python-memleaks.html
I have previously used the code from one of the links above to hunt down a
reference leak. It gives a graphical view of the alive references which helps
to locate the source of the ref leak.
Oscar
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| From | Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-10-31 15:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k6rf2k$2sd$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #29298 |
On 2012-09-16, ???????? ?????? <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
> Iam positng via google groups using chrome, thats all i know.
Learn something else. Google Groups is seriously and permanently
broken, and all posts from Google Groups are filtered out and ignored
by many people (including myself -- I only saw this because somebody
else replied to it).
IMO, the best option is to point a newsreader an an NNTP server that
carries comp.lang.python (gname.org also provides an NNTP server that
gateways to the mailing list). Pointing a newsreader at gmane's NNTP
server is also an excellent option.
If all you can do is run a browwer, then I suggest using gmane.org:
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general
> Whats a mailing list?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_mailing_list
http://www.python.org/community/lists/
The python mailing list is gatewayed to the Usenet newsgroup
comp.lang.python (which is where I read/post from):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
> Can i get responses to my mail instead of constantly check the google
> groups site?
Yes. You can subscribe directly to the list (which means you'll
receive a _lot_ of e-mail every day).
--
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! If I felt any more
at SOPHISTICATED I would DIE
gmail.com of EMBARRASSMENT!
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| From | rurpy@yahoo.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-10-31 12:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fe7c973c-a15c-449a-9621-622996dde824@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #32523 |
On 10/31/2012 09:11 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:> On 2012-09-16, ???????? ?????? <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Iam positng via google groups using chrome, thats all i know. > > Learn something else. Google Groups is seriously and permanently > broken, and all posts from Google Groups are filtered out and ignored > by many people (including myself -- I only saw this because somebody > else replied to it). "Broken"? Yes. But so is every piece of software in one way or another. Thunderbird is one of the most perpetually buggy pierces of software I have ever used on a continuing basis. "Seriously"? That's pretty subjective. I manage to use it without major problems so it couldn't be that bad. I posted previously on how to use it without the double posts or the double spacing. "Permenantly"? Your ability to foretell the future leaves me in awe. :-) Feel free to filter whatever you want but be aware than in doing so you risk missing information that could help you avoid disseminating erroneous info. Of course, carrying out some kind of private war against Google Groups may be more important to you than that...
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-10-31 21:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.3128.1351719534.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #32532 |
On 31/10/2012 19:35, rurpy@yahoo.com wrote: > On 10/31/2012 09:11 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:> On 2012-09-16, ???????? ?????? <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:. > > "Broken"? Yes. But so is every piece of software in one way > or another. Thunderbird is one of the most perpetually buggy > pierces of software I have ever used on a continuing basis > Please provide evidence that Thunderbird is buggy. I use it quite happily, don't have problems, and have never seen anybody complaining about it. -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence.
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| From | Robert Miles <robertmiles@teranews.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-10-31 19:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <Zhjks.1784$Uu4.470@newsfe12.iad> |
| In reply to | #32535 |
On 10/31/2012 4:38 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 31/10/2012 19:35, rurpy@yahoo.com wrote: >> On 10/31/2012 09:11 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:> On 2012-09-16, ???????? >> ?????? <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:. >> >> "Broken"? Yes. But so is every piece of software in one way >> or another. Thunderbird is one of the most perpetually buggy >> pierces of software I have ever used on a continuing basis >> > > Please provide evidence that Thunderbird is buggy. I use it quite > happily, don't have problems, and have never seen anybody complaining > about it. Why should they complain about it in this newsgroup? Most of the people who complain about it know that complaining in newsgroup mozilla.support.thunderbird is much more likely to get any problems fixed. Rather few newsgroups servers are allowed to carry that newsgroup; news.mozilla.org is one of them. The newsgroups section of Thunderbird seems to have more bugs than the email section, partly because there are more volunteers interested in working on the email section.
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-11-01 00:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.3133.1351730205.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #32543 |
On 01/11/2012 00:23, Robert Miles wrote: > On 10/31/2012 4:38 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> On 31/10/2012 19:35, rurpy@yahoo.com wrote: >>> On 10/31/2012 09:11 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:> On 2012-09-16, ???????? >>> ?????? <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:. >>> >>> "Broken"? Yes. But so is every piece of software in one way >>> or another. Thunderbird is one of the most perpetually buggy >>> pierces of software I have ever used on a continuing basis >>> >> >> Please provide evidence that Thunderbird is buggy. I use it quite >> happily, don't have problems, and have never seen anybody complaining >> about it. > > Why should they complain about it in this newsgroup? I'm reading all the Python *MAILING LISTS* that I'm interested in with Thunderbird. Here. Now. So do a lot of other people. If they weren't happy with it, they'd be stating so here when this type of discussion came up. -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence.
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| From | rurpy@yahoo.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-11-01 15:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8085a710-46c0-4d1a-b46e-f94eea0e8a0a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #32535 |
On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:38:57 PM UTC-6, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 31/10/2012 19:35, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: >> "Broken"? Yes. But so is every piece of software in one way >> or another. Thunderbird is one of the most perpetually buggy >> pierces of software I have ever used on a continuing basis > > Please provide evidence that Thunderbird is buggy. I use it quite > happily, don't have problems, and have never seen anybody complaining > about it. I hesitate to respond to this because thunderbird bugs are really OT, but since you insist... A few years ago started keeping a list TB problems I encountered. I stopped maintaining it a year or so ago. It is a mixture of bugs, misfeatures, and things I couldn't figure out, etc. Many have been fixed in later versions. Nevertheless, it illustrates *my* experience with TB. Note that despite the problems, I still use TB in some contexts. Different apps have different bugs/(mis)features and every person has their own weighting factors on those bugs. End result is different people prefer different apps for different purposes (and some of us find GG the least worst choice for posting here.) ==== * In Search dialog clicked on the Search in folder dropdown after an earlier search and TB crashed (disappeared along with the new message I was editing.) [3.0.1] * Search for japanese text in body no longer works (never finds text even when it exists). [3.0.1] Used to work. * Each mail message displays useless header info that uses 25% of the available vertical space. * When editing a reply message, typing a return at eol results in two blank lines inserted. * When editing message, siometimes edit cursor disappears tho editing still seems to work normally. * Requires voodoo to create hmtl new message when default is plain text or visa versa. Have to hold shift key while clicking "write" button. Shift while choosing "new", "reply", etc in menu doesn't work. * Frequently, clinking on a usenet newsgroup results in TB freeze. Only solution is to remove group and re-add later. (Problem since 2.x days.) * Frequently after an apparently normal shutdown, attempt to restart results in "TB is already running" error. * Some folders in the folder tree view are greyed out and not selectable even though they have no visible different properties than selectable ones. Don't know how they got that way. * Clicking on a folder in the folder tree pane results in a pop- up dialog "this folder is not selectable" that has to be dismissed, even though one is trying to get it's properties, or is selecting it to create a subfolder. * Messages change from "read" to "unread" in folders at random when folder is accessed, or even when it is not accessed. [gone in 3.0.3?] * Interminttently, when I click a usenet message to view it, the contents pane remains blank. Contents of that message remain blank foreever. [new with 3.0.1]. * When TB main window closed while editing an email, can no longer save the email, even if the TB main window is reopened. * Counts of new messages in usenet groups are often wildly high. * When opening up a usenet server, status bar reports "no new messages on server" even though TB then updates the groups with the new messages that *are* on the server. [new in 3.0.1] * After upgrade to TB-3.0, opening a usenet server results not only in the group being scanned for new messages in each group (as before) but also the headers for all those new messages being downloaded (slow on a dialup connection and a waste of time if I don't intend to read anything in that group). No obvious way to revert to original behaviour. * Even tho the number of unread messages listed beside a usenet group in the folder pane is less than the download limit, I sometimes get pop-up asking how many messages to download, when I access the group. (side effect of above problem I think.) * Sometimes TB downloads two copies of each header. * When I compress folders, get a series of several dozen pop- up messages (each requiring a click on "OK") telling me that foplder "xx" is not selectable. * Copy-paste from TB to other app fails if TB is closed before the paste -- the paste buffer appears empty [TB-3.0b4] * Copy paste fails by removing text (forgot if it is just the copied text or other text) in the TB message when pasted somewhere else. [TB-2?] * After upgrade to TB-3.0x, i no longer see a way to create a new imap subfolder. Had to create it using MSOE. * After upgrade to TB-3.0x double clicking on attached .jpg image no longer opens it -- only option is to save and open outside of TB. phfft. * HTF do you change the font size for plain text message composition? Prefs has a setting for html but... * search of body for multiple "anded" text never ends if one of the search boxes is empty. * Search "stop" button doesn't stop search. * One group frequently, without any action on my part, read thousands of old articles, showing them as unread, and when I choose one, responds with "article expired" message. (tb-3.0.4) * Sometimes clicking a group in tree pane causes TB freeze. (This is different than similar problem listed above in that above problem happens when clicking on article in group, and this problem only requires a tb resart to fix whereas above problem required unsubscribing/resubscribing group.) * Sometimes newgroups are colored blue in the tree pane, no idea why. * Sometimes when a message is dragged to a different folder, the message pane continue to display the message contents although the message highlighted in the message list pane is a different one. (tb-3.0.4) * Every time I access a particular news group, TB seems create two connections to it, the second one times out after 5 minutes or so but keeps the progress bar active and the status bar displaying "no new messages". Deleting and recreating acount does not fix. (tb-3.0.4, 3.1.10) * Save as html page gives Gnome "open" dialog, click on directory button to save in parent directory, click save, file is saved in original directory. * Lately when TB is started, there is one account that is always displayed expanded even though it was collapsed when TB was last shutdown. (tb-13.0).
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| From | Jamie Paul Griffin <jamie@kode5.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-11-02 09:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.3193.1351850275.27098.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #32574 |
/ rurpy@yahoo.com wrote on Thu 1.Nov'12 at 15:00:48 -0700 / > ==== > * In Search dialog clicked on the Search in folder dropdown after > an earlier search and TB crashed (disappeared along with the > new message I was editing.) [3.0.1] > > * Search for japanese text in body no longer works (never finds > text even when it exists). [3.0.1] Used to work. > > * Each mail message displays useless header info that uses 25% > of the available vertical space. > > * When editing a reply message, typing a return at eol results in > two blank lines inserted. > > * When editing message, siometimes edit cursor disappears > tho editing still seems to work normally. > > * Requires voodoo to create hmtl new message when default is > plain text or visa versa. Have to hold shift key while clicking > "write" button. Shift while choosing "new", "reply", etc in > menu doesn't work. > > * Frequently, clinking on a usenet newsgroup results in TB freeze. > Only solution is to remove group and re-add later. (Problem > since 2.x days.) > > * Frequently after an apparently normal shutdown, attempt to restart > results in "TB is already running" error. > > * Some folders in the folder tree view are greyed out and not > selectable even though they have no visible different properties > than selectable ones. Don't know how they got that way. > > * Clicking on a folder in the folder tree pane results in a pop- > up dialog "this folder is not selectable" that has to be dismissed, > even though one is trying to get it's properties, or is selecting > it to create a subfolder. > > * Messages change from "read" to "unread" in folders at random when > folder is accessed, or even when it is not accessed. [gone in 3.0.3?] > > * Interminttently, when I click a usenet message to view it, > the contents pane remains blank. Contents of that message > remain blank foreever. [new with 3.0.1]. > > * When TB main window closed while editing an email, can no longer > save the email, even if the TB main window is reopened. > > * Counts of new messages in usenet groups are often wildly high. > > * When opening up a usenet server, status bar reports "no new > messages on server" even though TB then updates the groups > with the new messages that *are* on the server. [new in 3.0.1] > > * After upgrade to TB-3.0, opening a usenet server results not > only in the group being scanned for new messages in each group > (as before) but also the headers for all those new messages > being downloaded (slow on a dialup connection and a waste of > time if I don't intend to read anything in that group). > No obvious way to revert to original behaviour. > > * Even tho the number of unread messages listed beside a usenet > group in the folder pane is less than the download limit, I > sometimes get pop-up asking how many messages to download, > when I access the group. (side effect of above problem I think.) > > * Sometimes TB downloads two copies of each header. > > * When I compress folders, get a series of several dozen pop- > up messages (each requiring a click on "OK") telling me > that foplder "xx" is not selectable. > > * Copy-paste from TB to other app fails if TB is closed > before the paste -- the paste buffer appears empty [TB-3.0b4] > > * Copy paste fails by removing text (forgot if it is just the > copied text or other text) in the TB message when pasted > somewhere else. [TB-2?] > > * After upgrade to TB-3.0x, i no longer see a way to create a > new imap subfolder. Had to create it using MSOE. > > * After upgrade to TB-3.0x double clicking on attached .jpg image > no longer opens it -- only option is to save and open outside > of TB. phfft. > > * HTF do you change the font size for plain text message composition? > Prefs has a setting for html but... > > * search of body for multiple "anded" text never ends if one of > the search boxes is empty. > > * Search "stop" button doesn't stop search. > > * One group frequently, without any action on my part, read thousands > of old articles, showing them as unread, and when I choose one, responds > with "article expired" message. (tb-3.0.4) [ ... ] With a list of problems like that maybe the time spent on learning how to use a Usenet client or mua that is properly written would be worthwhile. Personally I haven't used the Google Groups interface, and most likely never will so I can't really comment on how it performs or how nice it is to use but if you're happy with it that's the main thing. But you can't deny that it does cause irritating problems for other people trying to read information sent from it.
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| From | rurpy@yahoo.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-11-02 11:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c5d1952c-3b01-4814-80a8-0b3da7122f41@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #32611 |
On 11/02/2012 03:57 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > / rurpy@yahoo.com wrote on Thu 1.Nov'12 at 15:00:48 -0700 / >> [...list of Thunderbird problems...] > > With a list of problems like that maybe the time spent on learning > how to use a Usenet client or mua that is properly written would be > worthwhile. And that would be which one exactly? I have tried a few other mail and usenet clients, and as I said, indeed the point of my post was, they *all* have their own set of bugs, misfeatures and missing features. > Personally I haven't used the Google Groups interface, > and most likely never will so I can't really comment on how it > performs or how nice it is to use but if you're happy with it that's > the main thing. But you can't deny that it does cause irritating > problems for other people trying to read information sent from it. I can and do deny that. I certainly acknowledge that GG contributes to such posts, but naive users of GG and readers who are too easily irritated are two other major contributing factors.
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| From | Robert Miles <robertmiles@teranews.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-10-31 19:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <55jks.3164$sz4.2025@newsfe11.iad> |
| In reply to | #32532 |
On 10/31/2012 2:35 PM, rurpy@yahoo.com wrote: > On 10/31/2012 09:11 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:> On 2012-09-16, ???????? ?????? <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Iam positng via google groups using chrome, thats all i know. >> >> Learn something else. Google Groups is seriously and permanently >> broken, and all posts from Google Groups are filtered out and ignored >> by many people (including myself -- I only saw this because somebody >> else replied to it). > > "Seriously"? That's pretty subjective. I manage to use it > without major problems so it couldn't be that bad. I posted > previously on how to use it without the double posts or the > double spacing. If you're using it for reasonable purposes, you won't encounter its worst flaw. It's much too easy for spammers to use for posting spam. I'd estimate that about 99% of the world's newsgroups spam in English is posted through Google Groups.
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| From | Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-11-01 12:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k6toq6$lrg$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #32532 |
On 2012-10-31, rurpy@yahoo.com <rurpy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 10/31/2012 09:11 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:> On 2012-09-16, ???????? ?????? <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Iam positng via google groups using chrome, thats all i know.
>>
>> Learn something else. Google Groups is seriously and permanently
>> broken, and all posts from Google Groups are filtered out and ignored
>> by many people (including myself -- I only saw this because somebody
>> else replied to it).
>
> Feel free to filter whatever you want but be aware than in
> doing so you risk missing information that could help you
> avoid disseminating erroneous info. Of course, carrying out
> some kind of private war against Google Groups may be more
> important to you than that...
Based on past experience, the chances of useful information being
posted via Google Groups is very small. The benefit of avoiding all
the spam and garbage the comes from that source is more than worth the
small risk of missing something worthwhile.
Note that I'm _not_ talking about people posting to the mailing list
using Gmail -- only people posting via the Google Groups web UI.
--
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! Four thousand
at different MAGNATES, MOGULS
gmail.com & NABOBS are romping in my
gothic solarium!!
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