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Re: psss...I want to move from Perl to Python

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  Re: psss...I want to move from Perl to Python MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2016-02-01 03:34 +0000
    Re: psss...I want to move from Perl to Python wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2016-02-01 00:43 -0800
    Re: psss...I want to move from Perl to Python Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 15:12 -0800

#102384 — Re: psss...I want to move from Perl to Python

On 2016-02-01 03:15:10, "Chris Angelico" <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> 
>wrote:
>>  On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 3:57:28 PM UTC+5:30, wxjmf wrote:
>>
>>>  Python 3.5.1 is still suffering from the same buggy
>>>  behaviour as in Python 3.0 .
>>
>>  is banned
>>
>>  whereas this is not:
>>
>>  On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 3:01:09 AM UTC+5:30, Rick Johnson 
>>wrote:
>>>  On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 6:21:21 AM UTC-6, Ulli Horlacher 
>>>wrote:
>>>  > I nearly gave up with Python at the very beginning before
>>>  > I realised that OO-programming is optional in Python! :-)
>>>  > Most tutorials I found so far makes OO mandatory.
>>>
>>>  Just more evidence that old dogs are incapable of learning
>>>  new tricks. Either learn how to wield Neuroplasticity to
>>>  your advantage, or go curl up into a ball and wait for death
>>>  to come. People who are unwilling to "expanding their
>>>  intellectual horizons" make me sick!!!
>>
>>
>>  Not to mention endless screeds like this one:
>>
>>  [chomp more Ranting Rick]
>>
>>  Can someone explain the policy?
>
>Bannings for anything other than out-and-out spam are incredibly rare
>(as they should be). The main difference is: Rick posts good content
>veiled by poor framing, but jmf posts the same rehashed whining about
>the same microbenchmarks, the same unbacked false statements about how
>Python is "mathematically incorrect", and absolutely no useful
>content. I tend to skim Rick's posts looking for anything that's
>actually of interest, but jmf's posts never have anything.
>
In his defence, he _was_ the one who drew attention to the unexpected 
slowness of the FSR under certain circumstances in the Windows build of 
Python 3.3, albeit in a rather over-dramatised way.

That problem was gone in the next bug-fix release.
>
>There are a lot of people here who post good content but phrase things
>poorly. And everyone has a bad day. (Terry Reedy, I'm hoping this was
>just a bad day - there were several rather caustic posts from you.
>Sorry to single you out, but I can't think of anyone else recently
>who's done that.) So long as there's something useful being said, the
>community would be worse off for their removal.
>
>That said, though, I would GREATLY prefer Rick to post less
>provocatively. But I'm not calling for his banning any more than I'd
>call for Terry's, or my own, for that matter (I've posted plenty of
>off-topic or otherwise useless posts).
>

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#102386

Le lundi 1 février 2016 04:35:17 UTC+1, MRAB a écrit :
> >
> In his defence, he _was_ the one who drew attention to the unexpected 
> slowness of the FSR under certain circumstances in the Windows build of 
> Python 3.3, albeit in a rather over-dramatised way.
> 

Thank you for pointing this. Unfortunately, this is not the
problem, it is only an illustration of the problem.

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#102413

On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 9:35:17 PM UTC-6, MRAB wrote:
> In [jmf's] defence, he _was_ the one who drew attention to
> the unexpected slowness of the FSR under certain
> circumstances in the Windows build of Python 3.3, albeit
> in a rather over-dramatized way.

Thanks MRAB. You and Terry may be only "high ranking"
members who are willing to defend those who cannot defend
themselves.

"jmf's contribution" is solid evidence of why we should
never discourage anyone's participation in this community.
Yes, jmf's posts are mostly repetitive, but we need to
listen to all opinions and all complaints. Python cannot
survive unless it maintains a solid community of people who
(1) enjoy using the language, and (2) who know that others
will listen when they voice a concern.

Heck, i was banned from Python-ideas before i ever sent my
first reply. Can anyone justify such tyranny? My "communal
dignity" has been stolen from me!

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