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  Re: the meaning of r’.......‘ Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-23 17:59 +1000
    Re: the meaning of r’.......‘ Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-23 08:07 +0000
      Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-07-23 08:55 -0400
        Re: the meaning of rユ.......�¾ Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-23 23:06 +1000
          Re: the meaning of r¹.......?3Ž4 Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-07-23 09:22 -0400
          Re: the meaning of rユ.......�¾ Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-23 15:59 +0000
            Re: the meaning of rユ.......�¾ Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-24 02:10 +1000
            Re: the meaning of r?.......?¾ Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-07-23 16:46 -0400
            Re: the meaning of r`.......` Thomas Rachel <nutznetz-0c1b6768-bfa9-48d5-a470-7603bd3aa915@spamschutz.glglgl.de> - 2012-07-24 10:45 +0200
        Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Alex Strickland <sscc@mweb.co.za> - 2012-07-23 15:10 +0200
        Re: the meaning of rユ.......�¾ Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-07-23 09:22 -0400
          Re: the meaning of rユ.......�¾ Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-24 00:01 -0700
        Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Henrik Faber <hfaber@invalid.net> - 2012-07-23 15:24 +0200
          Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-23 23:35 +1000
            Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Henrik Faber <hfaber@invalid.net> - 2012-07-23 15:52 +0200
              Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Henrik Faber <hfaber@invalid.net> - 2012-07-23 15:55 +0200
                Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Henrik Faber <hfaber@invalid.net> - 2012-07-23 15:59 +0200
                  Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> - 2012-07-23 16:08 +0200
                  Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 15:43 +0100
                    Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Henrik Faber <hfaber@invalid.net> - 2012-07-23 16:43 +0200
                      Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 16:29 +0100
                        Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> - 2012-07-23 15:56 +0000
                          Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-24 02:09 +1000
                            Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-07-25 00:35 +1000
                              Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-25 00:50 +1000
                              Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Maarten <maarten.sneep@knmi.nl> - 2012-07-24 07:44 -0700
                                Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-07-25 13:07 +1000
                                  Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-25 14:11 +1000
                                  Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-25 06:07 +0000
                                    Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-25 07:37 +0100
                                      Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-07-25 16:43 +1000
                                        Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-25 08:13 +0100
                                  Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-07-25 09:21 -0600
                              Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-07-24 10:36 -0600
                              Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-25 02:42 +1000
                              Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-07-24 09:59 -0700
                          Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-07-24 10:02 -0400
                        Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-23 17:10 +0000
                    Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-07-23 08:08 -0700
                Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Jan Riechers <janpeterr@freenet.de> - 2012-07-23 21:29 +0300
              Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-07-23 10:10 -0400
                Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Henrik Faber <hfaber@invalid.net> - 2012-07-23 16:40 +0200
                  Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-24 00:53 +1000
                  Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-07-23 11:02 -0400
                Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-23 16:54 +0000
              Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-24 00:19 +1000
                Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Henrik Faber <hfaber@invalid.net> - 2012-07-23 16:42 +0200
                  Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-07-23 14:10 -0400
              Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-23 16:53 +0000
          Re: the meaning of r?.......ï¾ MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-07-23 16:46 +0100
          Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-23 16:33 +0000
            Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Ross Ridge <rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> - 2012-07-23 14:43 -0400
        Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Henrik Faber <hfaber@invalid.net> - 2012-07-23 15:26 +0200
        Re: the meaning of r.......ïŸ Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-23 15:49 +0000
          Re: the meaning of r.......ïŸ Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2012-07-26 16:34 +0300
        Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾ Ross Ridge <rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> - 2012-07-23 12:19 -0400
        Re: the meaning of r?.......?¾ Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-07-23 13:44 -0400
    Re: the meaning of r’.......‘ John Roth <johnroth1@gmail.com> - 2012-07-23 17:50 -0700
    Re: the meaning of r’.......‘ John Roth <johnroth1@gmail.com> - 2012-07-23 17:50 -0700

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#25890 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromMark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-07-23 16:29 +0100
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<mailman.2482.1343057226.4697.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#25881
On 23/07/2012 15:43, Henrik Faber wrote:
> On 23.07.2012 16:43, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>
>>> Apparently, not all characters are fine with Python. Why can I not have
>>> domino tiles are identifier characters?
>>>
>>>>>> 🀻 = 9
>>>     File "<stdin>", line 1
>>>       🀻 = 9
>>>        ^
>>> SyntaxError: invalid character in identifier
>>>
>>> I think there needs to be a PEP for that.
>>
>> well get writing then as there's nothing to stop you.
>
> I might wait until April 1st next year with that ;-)
>
> Best regards,
> Henrik
>

Sorry not with you is there something special about April 1st next year?

-- 
Cheers.

Mark Lawrence.

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#25895 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromJohn Gordon <gordon@panix.com>
Date2012-07-23 15:56 +0000
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<jujs7j$hd2$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#25890
In <mailman.2482.1343057226.4697.python-list@python.org> Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> Sorry not with you is there something special about April 1st next year?

In the United States, April 1st (also known as April Fool's Day) is an
occasion for practical jokes, faked 'news' stories, and general silliness.

I don't know if it is observed outside the U.S.

-- 
John Gordon                   A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gordon@panix.com              B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
                                -- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

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#25989 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromChris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date2012-07-24 02:09 +1000
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<mailman.2536.1343136913.4697.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#25895
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:56 AM, John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> wrote:
> In <mailman.2482.1343057226.4697.python-list@python.org> Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Sorry not with you is there something special about April 1st next year?
>
> In the United States, April 1st (also known as April Fool's Day) is an
> occasion for practical jokes, faked 'news' stories, and general silliness.
>
> I don't know if it is observed outside the U.S.

It is, in many places. It's one of the few truly international
holidays. The next nearest, Pi Day, has two different dates (the
American and the European - of course, here in Australia, we celebrate
both).

ChrisA

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#25992 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromBen Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au>
Date2012-07-25 00:35 +1000
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<87r4s1rzv2.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
In reply to#25989
Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> writes:

> […] Pi Day, has two different dates (the American and the European -
> of course, here in Australia, we celebrate both).

What would be the two days? The 14th day of the 3rd month, and, um,
what?

Or do you Australians have the third day of the fourteenth month?

-- 
 \      “Earth gets its price for what Earth gives us.” —James Russell |
  `\                                                            Lowell |
_o__)                                                                  |
Ben Finney

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#25993 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromChris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date2012-07-25 00:50 +1000
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<mailman.2542.1343141410.4697.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#25992
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote:
> Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> […] Pi Day, has two different dates (the American and the European -
>> of course, here in Australia, we celebrate both).
>
> What would be the two days? The 14th day of the 3rd month, and, um,
> what?

Americans celebrate March 14th as 3.14; some Europeans celebrate July
22nd as 22/7 (which is 3.142857, fairly close to 3.14159). We claim
both, and also June 28th (aka Tau Day or Two Pi Day, 6.28).

> Or do you Australians have the third day of the fourteenth month?

The extra months would explain why we're ever so much more productive
than the rest of the world! Now if only we could be productive at more
than just dole bludging...

ChrisA

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#25996 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromMaarten <maarten.sneep@knmi.nl>
Date2012-07-24 07:44 -0700
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<45c8f299-3420-4836-afcb-6e07957ba344@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#25992
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:35:29 PM UTC+2, Ben Finney wrote:
> Chris Angelico writes:
> 
> &gt; […] Pi Day, has two different dates (the American and the European -
> &gt; of course, here in Australia, we celebrate both).
> 
> What would be the two days? The 14th day of the 3rd month, and, um,
> what?
> 
> Or do you Australians have the third day of the fourteenth month?

You just missed it:
22/7

Maarten

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#26020 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromBen Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au>
Date2012-07-25 13:07 +1000
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<87lii8sfmw.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
In reply to#25996
Maarten <maarten.sneep@knmi.nl> writes:

> You just missed it:
> 22/7

Which is appropriate, since 22/7 misses π by a wide margin. (355/113 is
my favourite approximation to π, and is far more accurate.)

−1 on associating 22/7 as anything to do with π.

+1 on celebrating τ day! <URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG7vhMMXagQ>

-- 
 \     “Why am I an atheist? I ask you: Why is anybody not an atheist? |
  `\      Everyone starts out being an atheist.” —Andy Rooney, _Boston |
_o__)                                                Globe_ 1982-05-30 |
Ben Finney

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#26021 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromChris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date2012-07-25 14:11 +1000
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<mailman.2560.1343189471.4697.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#26020
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote:
> Which is appropriate, since 22/7 misses π by a wide margin. (355/113 is
> my favourite approximation to π, and is far more accurate.)

22/7 is no worse than 3.14, though. Sure, 355/113 is closer still, but
how often do really need more accuracy than 22/7? 3.142857 vs 3.141593
- it's 0.04% out, versus 3.14 which is 0.05% out.

Anyway, 355/113 makes a really awkward date to celebrate. :)

ChrisA

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#26022 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromSteven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info>
Date2012-07-25 06:07 +0000
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<500f8d0c$0$11120$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#26020
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:07:03 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:

> Maarten <maarten.sneep@knmi.nl> writes:
> 
>> You just missed it:
>> 22/7
> 
> Which is appropriate, since 22/7 misses π by a wide margin. (355/113 is
> my favourite approximation to π, and is far more accurate.)

Approximation? Pffft. I use the exact value:

π = 16*arctan(1/5) - 4*arctan(1/239)


For those lacking ambition, another approximation is:

π ≈ 9801 ÷ (2206*√2)

Other interesting approximations are:

π ≈ 9/5 + √(9/5)

π ≈ √√(2143/22)

See more here:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PiFormulas.html
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PiApproximations.html

 
> −1 on associating 22/7 as anything to do with π.

I believe that 22/7 is the closest approximation to π with a denominator 
under 100. It is the second convergent of the continued fraction:

π = [3; 7, 15, 1, 292, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 3, 1, 14, 2, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, ...]

which means that, like it or not, 22/7 *is* associated with π.



-- 
Steven

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#26024 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromMark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-07-25 07:37 +0100
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<mailman.2561.1343198175.4697.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#26022
On 25/07/2012 07:07, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:07:03 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
>
>> Maarten <maarten.sneep@knmi.nl> writes:
>>
>>> You just missed it:
>>> 22/7
>>
>> Which is appropriate, since 22/7 misses π by a wide margin. (355/113 is
>> my favourite approximation to π, and is far more accurate.)
>
> Approximation? Pffft. I use the exact value:
>
> π = 16*arctan(1/5) - 4*arctan(1/239)
>
>
> For those lacking ambition, another approximation is:
>
> π ≈ 9801 ÷ (2206*√2)
>
> Other interesting approximations are:
>
> π ≈ 9/5 + √(9/5)
>
> π ≈ √√(2143/22)
>
> See more here:
>
> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PiFormulas.html
> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PiApproximations.html
>
>
>> −1 on associating 22/7 as anything to do with π.
>
> I believe that 22/7 is the closest approximation to π with a denominator
> under 100. It is the second convergent of the continued fraction:
>
> π = [3; 7, 15, 1, 292, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 3, 1, 14, 2, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, ...]
>
> which means that, like it or not, 22/7 *is* associated with π.
>
>
>

Any civil engineers reading this who would find 22/7 perfectly adequate 
for their task?

-- 
Cheers.

Mark Lawrence.

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#26025 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromBen Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au>
Date2012-07-25 16:43 +1000
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<87boj4s5lx.fsf@benfinney.id.au>
In reply to#26024
Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> Any civil engineers reading this who would find 22/7 perfectly
> adequate for their task?

Civil engineering? Pffft, that deals with only a few orders of magnitude
range at most. “π is roughly 3” is usually good enough in that arena :-)

-- 
 \     “You don't need a book of any description to help you have some |
  `\    kind of moral awareness.” —Dr. Francesca Stavrakoloulou, bible |
_o__)                                              scholar, 2011-05-08 |
Ben Finney

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#26026 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromMark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-07-25 08:13 +0100
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<mailman.2562.1343200369.4697.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#26025
On 25/07/2012 07:43, Ben Finney wrote:
> Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Any civil engineers reading this who would find 22/7 perfectly
>> adequate for their task?
>
> Civil engineering? Pffft, that deals with only a few orders of magnitude
> range at most. “π is roughly 3” is usually good enough in that arena :-)
>

Love it.  I, personally, hereby take back everything adverse that anyone 
else may ever have written about you :)

-- 
Cheers.

Mark Lawrence.

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#26108 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromIan Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com>
Date2012-07-25 09:21 -0600
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<mailman.2625.1343329350.4697.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#26020
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote:
> +1 on celebrating τ day! <URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG7vhMMXagQ>

Also:

http://tauday.com/

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#25998 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromIan Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com>
Date2012-07-24 10:36 -0600
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<mailman.2544.1343147852.4697.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#25992
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
> Americans celebrate March 14th as 3.14; some Europeans celebrate July
> 22nd as 22/7 (which is 3.142857, fairly close to 3.14159). We claim
> both, and also June 28th (aka Tau Day or Two Pi Day, 6.28).

Hey now, Tau Day is an American invention, so no claiming it as an
Australian thing.  We just need to get a few more people here to start
observing it; that's all.

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#25999 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromChris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Date2012-07-25 02:42 +1000
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<mailman.2545.1343148164.4697.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#25992
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Americans celebrate March 14th as 3.14; some Europeans celebrate July
>> 22nd as 22/7 (which is 3.142857, fairly close to 3.14159). We claim
>> both, and also June 28th (aka Tau Day or Two Pi Day, 6.28).
>
> Hey now, Tau Day is an American invention, so no claiming it as an
> Australian thing.  We just need to get a few more people here to start
> observing it; that's all.

I never did. We celebrate it as Two Pi Day here. You're most welcome
to lay claim to its invention, as long as you release it under an
acceptable Free license. Of course, you're legitimately able to put
non-commercial clauses in (after what happened to Christmas, I
wouldn't blame you), but we'd just have to invent our own day to
celebrate instead. The calendar perceives censorship as damage, and
routes around it...

ChrisA

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#26000 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromEthan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us>
Date2012-07-24 09:59 -0700
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<mailman.2546.1343148674.4697.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#25992
Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Americans celebrate March 14th as 3.14; some Europeans celebrate July
>> 22nd as 22/7 (which is 3.142857, fairly close to 3.14159). We claim
>> both, and also June 28th (aka Tau Day or Two Pi Day, 6.28).
> 
> Hey now, Tau Day is an American invention, so no claiming it as an
> Australian thing.  We just need to get a few more people here to start
> observing it; that's all.

I'm in!  At least for next year.  Assuming I remember...

~Ethan~

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#25991 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromDevin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com>
Date2012-07-24 10:02 -0400
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<mailman.2538.1343138619.4697.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#25895
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is, in many places. It's one of the few truly international
> holidays. The next nearest, Pi Day, has two different dates (the
> American and the European - of course, here in Australia, we celebrate
> both).

Here in Canada we celebrate Tau day.

-- Devin

(... I wish.)

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#25905 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromSteven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info>
Date2012-07-23 17:10 +0000
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<500d8597$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#25890
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:29:33 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:

> On 23/07/2012 15:43, Henrik Faber wrote:
[...]
>> I might wait until April 1st next year with that ;-)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Henrik
>>
>>
> Sorry not with you is there something special about April 1st next year?

As a Brit (or at least someone with a .uk email address) surely you know 
about the British tradition of April Fools jokes on 1st of April?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_tree_hoax

http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0401/
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0313/
http://entrian.com/goto/

And perhaps most relevant of all:

http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3117/


-- 
Steven

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#25886 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

Fromrusi <rustompmody@gmail.com>
Date2012-07-23 08:08 -0700
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<b04b7ddd-f099-4258-81b7-915c0acbae21@x6g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#25879
> On 23.07.2012 15:55, Henrik Faber wrote:
>
> >> Dear Lord.
....

There is a more universal side of unicode than the characters for
various natural languages -- math.

For example I would prefer

- λ to lambda
- ∧ to and (Oh well it seems there's also a ⋀ -- strengthening your
case)
- ≠ to !=

And how about some of these
⟦ ⟧ ⟨ ⟩ ⟪ ⟫ ⟮ ⟯ ⟬ ⟭ 〈 〉 ⦑ ⦒ ⧼ ⧽ ﹙ ﹚ ﹛ ﹜ ﹝ ﹞ ⸢ ⸣ ⸤ ⸥ ⦋ ⦌ ⦍ ⦎ ⦏ ⦐ ⁅ ⁆
⦓ ⦔ ⦕ ⦖

for collections and lookup?

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#25913 — Re: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾

FromJan Riechers <janpeterr@freenet.de>
Date2012-07-23 21:29 +0300
SubjectRe: the meaning of rユ.......ï¾
Message-ID<mailman.2491.1343068332.4697.python-list@python.org>
In reply to#25870
On 23.07.2012 16:55, Henrik Faber wrote:
> On 23.07.2012 15:52, Henrik Faber wrote:
>
>> but I would hate for
>> Python to include them into identifiers. Then again, I'm pretty sure
>> this is not planned anytime soon.
>
> Dear Lord.
>
> Python 3.2 (r32:88445, Dec  8 2011, 15:26:58)
> [GCC 4.5.2] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>> fööbär = 3
>>>> fööbär
> 3
>
> I didn't know this. How awful.
>
> Regards,
> Johannes
>

I can't understand at all why this (even as German) is supported.

Programs and developments, and in particular Python, should not only be 
accessible but also understandable by everyone - meaning that I don't 
exclude folks by starting to write my code in Esperanto letters.

Otherwise the next thing one might working on is a script normalizer 
which Engli-fies foreign variable names... similar to Py2to3.

Outside for display usage it has a right place to make usage of Unicode, 
like for French with all the accents Danish, Swedish and other 
languages, but some "old"-standards should stay in place, meaning to use 
English, so it stays accessible and understandable.

Jan

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