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  Python Card alternatives? rzed <rzantow@gmail.com> - 2011-06-11 13:07 +0000
    Re: Python Card alternatives? Luis M. González <luismgz@gmail.com> - 2011-06-11 10:02 -0700
      Re: Python Card alternatives? python@bdurham.com - 2011-06-11 13:22 -0400
    Re: Python Card alternatives? Tim Johnson <tim@johnsons-web.com> - 2011-06-11 10:02 -0800
    Re: Python Card alternatives? Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam@whitemice.org> - 2011-06-12 11:18 -0400
    Re: Python Card alternatives? Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2011-06-12 19:17 +0200
      Re: Python Card alternatives? Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2011-06-13 20:10 +0200
      Re: Python Card alternatives? rzed <rzantow@gmail.com> - 2011-06-13 23:46 +0000

#7448 — Python Card alternatives?

Desktop apps don't seem to be the wave of the future, but they still 
serve a useful purpose today. They can be ideal for a quick database 
table management screen, or a data entry front end for a program with 
a bunch of parameters. It's not easy enough to build a quick utility 
with a GUI front end, though. Wax and PythonCard (and maybe others) 
tried to hit that niche, but development on both is spotty at best. 
Some claim that Dabo's gui builder is a good one for this purpose, and 
maybe it can be. Are there any other, better solutions?

I've been looking at Rebol lately, and it has some points of interest. 
I much prefer Python as a language, but Rebol View's layout 
specifications are wonderfully concise, and the support code seems to 
be fairly straightforward as well. Has anyone tried to mimic their 
approach in Python? 

-- 
rzed

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#7452

As you said, desktop apps are losing appeal.
I suggest looking for a web based solution. Perhaps python +
silverlight? (I haven't tried it though).
Unfortunately, the client-side (browser) is the domain of javascript.

What I'm doing is polishing my html/css skills coupled with jquery. I
have lost faith in a python solution for these tasks.
Although there's something close enough that can make your experience
totally different: Coffeescript.

This is an enhanced syntax layer on top of javascript, inspired in
python and ruby, which feels like a breath of fresh air to any python
or ruby programmer. It plays very well with jquery and gives you all
the pythonic goodies you are used to, like list comprehensions (called
array and object comprehensions), slicing, ranges, etc. Coffeescript
pre compiles your code to pure javascript so there's no performance
degradation at all.

If it does not convince you and you still prefer a python solution,
you may want to check pyjamas (a port of GWT to python).
There are also some experiments such as Skulp to have python running
in the browser, although this approach implies a serious performance
hit, since it's a full python implementation in javascript.

regards,
Luis

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#7453

Luis,

Not the OP, but thank you for passing on the CoffeeScript recommendation
- looks very interesting!!
http://jashkenas.github.com/coffee-script/

Regards,
Malcolm

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#7454

* rzed <rzantow@gmail.com> [110611 05:14]:
> Desktop apps don't seem to be the wave of the future, but they still 
> serve a useful purpose today. They can be ideal for a quick database 
> table management screen, or a data entry front end for a program with 
> a bunch of parameters. It's not easy enough to build a quick utility 
> with a GUI front end, though. Wax and PythonCard (and maybe others) 
> tried to hit that niche, but development on both is spotty at best. 
> Some claim that Dabo's gui builder is a good one for this purpose, and 
> maybe it can be. Are there any other, better solutions?
> 
> I've been looking at Rebol lately, and it has some points of interest. 
> I much prefer Python as a language, but Rebol View's layout 
> specifications are wonderfully concise, and the support code seems to 
> be fairly straightforward as well. Has anyone tried to mimic their 
> approach in Python? 
  I've used rebol for over 11 years. Longer than I have used python. 
  I've not used rebol/view however, since my meal-ticket is console
  and web progamming. I'm guessing that you are going to find that
  difficult to do, but my suggestion would be:

  1)Get into one of the rebol communities - probably thru altme. 
  2)You will find that most rebol programmers work in other
  languages also, and quite a few (like me) in python. 
  3)You are likely to get a lot of ideas there.

  cheers
-- 
Tim 
tim at johnsons-web dot com or akwebsoft dot com
http://www.akwebsoft.com

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#7485

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 13:07 +0000, rzed wrote:
> Desktop apps don't seem to be the wave of the future, but they still 
> serve a useful purpose today. They can be ideal for a quick database 
> table management screen, 

+1, they are perfect for that, and will be around for a *long* *long*
time.  And I doubt they will ever go away - the web app will change to
be more desktopish.  Gtk already has an experimental HTML canvas
backend, GNOME3 is a canvas controlled via JavaScript, etc...

> or a data entry front end for a program with 
> a bunch of parameters. It's not easy enough to build a quick utility 
> with a GUI front end, though. Wax and PythonCard (and maybe others) 
> tried to hit that niche, but development on both is spotty at best. 
> Some claim that Dabo's gui builder is a good one for this purpose, and 
> maybe it can be. Are there any other, better solutions?

My advice is to keep it simple.  Gtk/Glade works perfectly well for this
purpose.  The glue code required is trivial.

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#7488

> Are there any other, better solutions?

Others are e.g.:
- Pypapi
- Camelot
- Kiwi
- Sqlkit
- Gnuenterprise
etc...

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

-- 
Führungskräfte leisten keine Arbeit                    (D'Alembert)

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#7540

> > Are there any other, better solutions?
> 
> Others are e.g.:
> - Pypapi
> - Camelot
> - Kiwi
> - Sqlkit
> - Gnuenterprise

And I've just learned of another one:

- QtAlchemy

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

-- 
Führungskräfte leisten keine Arbeit                    (D'Alembert)

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#7574

Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> wrote in 
news:20110612191740.0de83e0e.feliphil@gmx.net:

>> Are there any other, better solutions?
> 
> Others are e.g.:
> - Pypapi
> - Camelot
> - Kiwi
> - Sqlkit
> - Gnuenterprise
> etc...
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Wolfgang
> 

Many thanks to all of you for the interesting responses. As is so 
often the case with Python, there are many options, and many possible 
approaches to solutions for the same problem. I have some reading to 
do, I see.

-- 
rzed

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