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  [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript cl@isbd.net - 2016-03-24 20:53 +0000
    Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-24 21:47 +0000
      Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript cl@isbd.net - 2016-03-24 22:08 +0000
        Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-24 22:31 +0000
          Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript cl@isbd.net - 2016-03-24 22:45 +0000
            Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-24 23:06 +0000
              Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-25 22:19 +0100
            Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 19:09 -0400
        Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 09:49 +1100
        Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-24 22:58 +0000
        Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 17:33 -0600
        Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-24 23:46 +0000
          Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2016-03-24 17:38 -0700
            Negative responses (Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list) Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 21:10 -0700
          Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-03-25 11:05 +0000
        Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-25 12:41 +1100
    Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2016-03-24 20:25 -0400
      Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript cl@isbd.net - 2016-03-25 09:05 +0000
    Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Cousin Stanley <cousinstanley@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 10:58 -0700
      Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-03-25 19:26 +0000
    Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-25 22:17 +0100
      Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2016-03-25 16:36 -0700
        Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-26 02:36 +0100
          Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 14:16 +1100
            Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-26 04:37 +0100
              Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 15:24 +1100
                Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 22:10 -0700
              Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2016-03-26 04:37 -0700
                Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 07:52 -0400
                Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2016-03-26 11:31 -0400
                Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 11:35 -0400
                Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 11:49 -0600
                Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 12:01 -0600
          Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2016-03-27 09:01 +1100
        Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript cl@isbd.net - 2016-03-26 14:01 +0000
      Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-26 13:14 +1100
      Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript cl@isbd.net - 2016-03-26 13:59 +0000
    Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-26 14:38 +0000
      Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-26 18:58 +0100
    Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2016-03-26 12:06 -0400
      Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-03-27 17:05 +1300
        Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 15:16 +1100

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#105653 — [OT'ish] Is there a list as good as this for Javascript

I use Python wherever I can and find this list (as a usenet group via
gmane) an invaluable help at times.

Occasionally I have to make forays into Javascript, can anyone
recommend a place similar to this list where Javascript questions can
be asked?  The trouble is that there are very many usenet Javascript
lists and it's difficult to guess which one[es] might be good.

-- 
Chris Green
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#105654

On 2016-03-24, cl@isbd.net <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

> I use Python wherever I can and find this list (as a usenet group
> via gmane) an invaluable help at times.
>
> Occasionally I have to make forays into Javascript, can anyone
> recommend a place similar to this list where Javascript questions
> can be asked?

Are you asking about

 1) Javascript itself (the language)?

 2) jQuery or some other client-side framework?

 3) The DOM model and API provided by various web browsers?

In most forums 99% of the threads are about 2 and 3.

> The trouble is that there are very many usenet Javascript lists and
> it's difficult to guess which one[es] might be good.

That's a tough one.  I dabble in Javascript in order to support the
Web UI's on some of the embedded products I work on, and I've yet to
find a high quality forum for Javascript questions.  Javascript
programing seems to be dominated by cargo-cult programmers with little
understanding of the language.  They just sort of cut-n-paste code
snippets they find online and then hope.  It's not quite as bad as PHP
in that regard, but that's not saying mutch.  [IMO, the design of the
Javascript language itself is _far_ better than the "design" of the
PHP language, and that the results of cargo-cult programming in
Javascript usually turn out better than they do in PHP.]

If you do find anything like c.l.p for Javascript, let us know...

-- 
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                                  at               SPEED QUEEN ... To me,
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#105655

Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 2016-03-24, cl@isbd.net <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> 
> > I use Python wherever I can and find this list (as a usenet group
> > via gmane) an invaluable help at times.
> >
> > Occasionally I have to make forays into Javascript, can anyone
> > recommend a place similar to this list where Javascript questions
> > can be asked?
> 
> Are you asking about
> 
>  1) Javascript itself (the language)?
> 
Probably mostly this.

>  2) jQuery or some other client-side framework?
> 
A little of this, but not much.


>  3) The DOM model and API provided by various web browsers?
> 
Not this.


> In most forums 99% of the threads are about 2 and 3.
> 
> > The trouble is that there are very many usenet Javascript lists and
> > it's difficult to guess which one[es] might be good.
> 
> That's a tough one.  I dabble in Javascript in order to support the
> Web UI's on some of the embedded products I work on, and I've yet to
> find a high quality forum for Javascript questions.  Javascript
> programing seems to be dominated by cargo-cult programmers with little
> understanding of the language.  They just sort of cut-n-paste code
> snippets they find online and then hope.  It's not quite as bad as PHP
> in that regard, but that's not saying mutch.  [IMO, the design of the
> Javascript language itself is _far_ better than the "design" of the
> PHP language, and that the results of cargo-cult programming in
> Javascript usually turn out better than they do in PHP.]
> 
Yes, it seems that the 'right way' in Javascript is often almost the
opposite of the 'right way' in other langueages.  Optimise at the
expense of readability seems to be the main aim.


> If you do find anything like c.l.p for Javascript, let us know...
> 
OK!  :-)

-- 
Chris Green
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#105657

On 24/03/2016 22:08, cl@isbd.net wrote:
>
>> If you do find anything like c.l.p for Javascript, let us know...
>>
> OK!  :-)
>

I'd try c.l.bartc as he is the world's leading expert on everything that 
you need to know about any language, whereby the only thing to know is 
how fast is it.  It's just fantastic, you don't have to bother about the 
source code that you write, all you have to bother about is the 
underlying byte code.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#105660

Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 24/03/2016 22:08, cl@isbd.net wrote:
> >
> >> If you do find anything like c.l.p for Javascript, let us know...
> >>
> > OK!  :-)
> >
> 
> I'd try c.l.bartc as he is the world's leading expert on everything that 
> you need to know about any language, whereby the only thing to know is 
> how fast is it.  It's just fantastic, you don't have to bother about the 
> source code that you write, all you have to bother about is the 
> underlying byte code.
> 
Many a true word.....

-- 
Chris Green
·

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#105663

On 24/03/2016 22:45, cl@isbd.net wrote:
> Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 24/03/2016 22:08, cl@isbd.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you do find anything like c.l.p for Javascript, let us know...
>>>>
>>> OK!  :-)
>>>
>>
>> I'd try c.l.bartc as he is the world's leading expert on everything that
>> you need to know about any language, whereby the only thing to know is
>> how fast is it.  It's just fantastic, you don't have to bother about the
>> source code that you write, all you have to bother about is the
>> underlying byte code.
>>
> Many a true word.....
>

I wasn't jesting.  BartC is a complete insult to the entire Python 
community, and I find it quite staggering that he has been allowed to 
spew his complete cobblers for so long and get away with it.  It is so 
blatantly obvious that he knows precisely nothing about Python, but 
still the moderators on this list let him get away with it.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#105707

Mark Lawrence wrote:

> […] It is so blatantly obvious that he knows precisely nothing about
> Python, but still the moderators on this list let him get away with it.

This is a mailing list?  It is moderated?  *Seriously*?

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#105664

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> On 24/03/2016 22:45, cl@isbd.net wrote:
>
>> Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/03/2016 22:08, cl@isbd.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you do find anything like c.l.p for Javascript, let us know...
>>>>>
>>>>> OK!  :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'd try c.l.bartc as he is the world's leading expert on everything that
>>> you need to know about any language, whereby the only thing to know is
>>> how fast is it.  It's just fantastic, you don't have to bother about the
>>> source code that you write, all you have to bother about is the
>>> underlying byte code.
>>>
>>> Many a true word.....
>>
>>
> I wasn't jesting.  BartC is a complete insult to the entire Python
> community, and I find it quite staggering that he has been allowed to spew
> his complete cobblers for so long and get away with it.  It is so blatantly
> obvious that he knows precisely nothing about Python, but still the
> moderators on this list let him get away with it.
>
>
> --
> My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
> what you can do for our language.
>
> Mark Lawrence
>
> --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>


at least ferous cranis is gone!
-- 
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com/ <http://joelgoldstick.com/stats/birthdays>
http://cc-baseballstats.info/

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#105661

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 24/03/2016 22:08, cl@isbd.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If you do find anything like c.l.p for Javascript, let us know...
>>>
>> OK!  :-)
>>
>
> I'd try c.l.bartc as he is the world's leading expert on everything that you
> need to know about any language, whereby the only thing to know is how fast
> is it.  It's just fantastic, you don't have to bother about the source code
> that you write, all you have to bother about is the underlying byte code.

Enough. You don't need to drag this into arbitrary threads.

ChrisA

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#105662

On 24/03/2016 22:49, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 24/03/2016 22:08, cl@isbd.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you do find anything like c.l.p for Javascript, let us know...
>>>>
>>> OK!  :-)
>>>
>>
>> I'd try c.l.bartc as he is the world's leading expert on everything that you
>> need to know about any language, whereby the only thing to know is how fast
>> is it.  It's just fantastic, you don't have to bother about the source code
>> that you write, all you have to bother about is the underlying byte code.
>
> Enough. You don't need to drag this into arbitrary threads.
>
> ChrisA
>

No.  While this idiot, BartC, is let loose on this forum, I'll say what 
I like.  It is quite clear that he hasn't got the faintest idea, and the 
sooner he is kicked into touch, like the RUE, the better for the Python 
community.

"I'll just factor out the loop in this test".

Yeah, right.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#105665

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> No.  While this idiot, BartC, is let loose on this forum, I'll say what I
> like.

Good to know. I've been on the fence about this for a long time, but
lately the frequency of your outbursts seems to have increased, and
you're being more of a nuisance to this list than the people whom
you're complaining about.

*plonk*

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#105666

On 24/03/2016 23:33, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> No.  While this idiot, BartC, is let loose on this forum, I'll say what I
>> like.
>
> Good to know. I've been on the fence about this for a long time, but
> lately the frequency of your outbursts seems to have increased, and
> you're being more of a nuisance to this list than the people whom
> you're complaining about.
>
> *plonk*
>

I just love it.  A complete moron like BartC insults the Python 
community day in, day out, yet I'm the problem?   When he can actually 
write a decent line of Python code and avoid discussing speed I'll think 
about him as a professional programmer.  I cannot see this happening 
when all he talks about is byte code.  He's clearly never read anything 
like Steve Maguire's "Writing Solid Code".

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#105669

On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 7:47:34 PM UTC-4, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 24/03/2016 23:33, Ian Kelly wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> No.  While this idiot, BartC, is let loose on this forum, I'll say what I
> >> like.
> >
> > Good to know. I've been on the fence about this for a long time, but
> > lately the frequency of your outbursts seems to have increased, and
> > you're being more of a nuisance to this list than the people whom
> > you're complaining about.
> >
> > *plonk*
> >
> 
> I just love it.  A complete moron like BartC insults the Python 
> community day in, day out, yet I'm the problem?   When he can actually 
> write a decent line of Python code and avoid discussing speed I'll think 
> about him as a professional programmer.  I cannot see this happening 
> when all he talks about is byte code.  He's clearly never read anything 
> like Steve Maguire's "Writing Solid Code".

Yes Mark, you are a problem.  You insult people personally. There is no need
for that.  BartC is a challenge, I agree, but he has not said anything
personal against you or anyone else.

Stop making personal attacks.  Find another way to deal with your frustration.

The Python Code of Conduct says to treat people with respect.  You aren't
doing that.  I know you feel like Bart has been disrespectful by dragging out
threads and ignoring important parts of the Python language.  I agree, that
is frustrating, but it different than making personal insults.

Stop it.  You are hurting this list and you are hurting Python.

--Ned.

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#105677 — Negative responses (Re: [OT'ish] Is there a list)

On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 6:08:43 AM UTC+5:30, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> Yes Mark, you are a problem.  You insult people personally. There is no need
> for that.  BartC is a challenge, I agree, but he has not said anything
> personal against you or anyone else.
> 
> Stop making personal attacks.  Find another way to deal with your frustration.
> 
> The Python Code of Conduct says to treat people with respect.  You aren't
> doing that.  I know you feel like Bart has been disrespectful by dragging out
> threads and ignoring important parts of the Python language.  I agree, that
> is frustrating, but it different than making personal insults.
> 
> Stop it.  You are hurting this list and you are hurting Python.

I'd also like to point out the damage done by Mark to complete noobs.
- Somebody asks about inability to install python
  Response: Everybody keeps asking this... Look up the list
- Some typical noob question.
  Response: Dont top post (or some other format/meta/OT ie irrelevant response

If getting new people asking new questions is a priority, something needs to be 
done about these kinds of rude responses.

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#105685

On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 23:46:14 +0000, Mark Lawrence wrote:

> On 24/03/2016 23:33, Ian Kelly wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Mark Lawrence
>> <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> No.  While this idiot, BartC, is let loose on this forum, I'll say
>>> what I like.
>>
>> Good to know. I've been on the fence about this for a long time, but
>> lately the frequency of your outbursts seems to have increased, and
>> you're being more of a nuisance to this list than the people whom
>> you're complaining about.
>>
>> *plonk*
>>
>>
> I just love it.  A complete moron like BartC insults the Python
> community day in, day out, yet I'm the problem?   When he can actually
> write a decent line of Python code and avoid discussing speed I'll think
> about him as a professional programmer.  I cannot see this happening
> when all he talks about is byte code.  He's clearly never read anything
> like Steve Maguire's "Writing Solid Code".

I am afraid I have to disagree with you
Responding in BartC's threads is one thing but you are now deliberately 
trolling him in others, this is a bad as a poster (who shall remain 
namless) continually telling people the cause of there issues is due to 
pythons Unicode handling. it does nothing for the OP of this thread & 
quickly renders it useless.



-- 
I'm into SOFTWARE!

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#105682

Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> No.  While this idiot, BartC, is let loose on this forum, I'll say
> what I like.

That is the attitude of a petulant schoolyard bully. Stop, please. You
are to behave well in this community, and this is not conditional on the
behaviour of others.

You are better that that. Please continue to show it.

-- 
 \      “Some forms of reality are so horrible we refuse to face them, |
  `\     unless we are trapped into it by comedy. To label any subject |
_o__)        unsuitable for comedy is to admit defeat.” —Peter Sellers |
Ben Finney

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#105667

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:53 PM,  <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> I use Python wherever I can and find this list (as a usenet group via
> gmane) an invaluable help at times.
>
> Occasionally I have to make forays into Javascript, can anyone
> recommend a place similar to this list where Javascript questions can
> be asked?  The trouble is that there are very many usenet Javascript
> lists and it's difficult to guess which one[es] might be good.

I don't know of any JS specific mailing lists. When I have a JS
question I usually use stackoverflow. But there is also the web design
mailing list, which will accept JS questions. See
http://www.webdesign-l.com/

For jQuery questions I use the jquery forum - http://forum.jquery.com/

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#105683

Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:53 PM,  <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> > I use Python wherever I can and find this list (as a usenet group via
> > gmane) an invaluable help at times.
> >
> > Occasionally I have to make forays into Javascript, can anyone
> > recommend a place similar to this list where Javascript questions can
> > be asked?  The trouble is that there are very many usenet Javascript
> > lists and it's difficult to guess which one[es] might be good.
> 
> I don't know of any JS specific mailing lists. When I have a JS
> question I usually use stackoverflow. But there is also the web design
> mailing list, which will accept JS questions. See
> http://www.webdesign-l.com/
> 
OK, thanks, I do know about both of those though I hadn't realised
there was a mailing list at Web Design.


> For jQuery questions I use the jquery forum - http://forum.jquery.com/

I find forums very difficult to use in general for a number of reasons:-

    I have to visit them individually, it's not practical for the
    number of subjects I'm interested in. I belong to 77 lists just
    now, a similar number of forums would be totally unmanageable.

    I can't use a decent editor (or my choice) to write and reply to
    messages.

    The threading is often rather poor (though some are better than
    others).

-- 
Chris Green
·

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#105698

....
> Occasionally I have to make forays into Javascript, 
> can anyone recommend a place similar to this list 
> where Javascript questions can be asked ?
....

  Several years back I found 
  the newsgroup comp.lang.javascript
  to be helpful ....

  However, I haven't used that group
  for some time now so don't know
  the current nature of the group ....


-- 
Stanley C. Kitching
Human Being
Phoenix, Arizona

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#105699

Cousin Stanley <cousinstanley@gmail.com> writes:

> ....
>> Occasionally I have to make forays into Javascript, 
>> can anyone recommend a place similar to this list 
>> where Javascript questions can be asked ?
> ....
>
>   Several years back I found 
>   the newsgroup comp.lang.javascript
>   to be helpful ....

Still going.  It can't hurt to try.

>   However, I haven't used that group
>   for some time now so don't know
>   the current nature of the group ....

I suspect some people are put off answering because there's a poster
whose main pleasure seems to be to nit-pick other people's answers (and
the OP will be told there's no "Javascript" for starters!).  The usual
Usenet thick skin advised.

-- 
Ben.

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