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  [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Jean Dupont <jeandupont115@gmail.com> - 2014-01-17 05:20 -0800
    Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2014-01-17 16:17 +0100
    Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-17 16:40 -0500
      Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> - 2014-01-18 06:52 -0800
        Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2014-01-18 15:12 +0000
          Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> - 2014-01-19 20:04 -0800
            Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 17:24 +1100
              Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 23:23 -0800
                Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-01-22 07:08 -0500
            Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-01-20 09:17 +0000
              Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Jean Dupont <jeandupont115@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 06:45 -0800
                Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-01-22 15:43 +0000
                  Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Jean Dupont <jeandupont115@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 00:23 -0800
                Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Jean Dupont <jeandupont115@gmail.com> - 2014-01-27 00:28 -0800
        Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-18 16:15 +0000
        Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-18 12:28 -0500
        Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-18 13:54 -0500
        Re[2]: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program Grawburg <grawburg@myglnc.com> - 2014-01-18 13:49 -0500

#64164 — [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program

Dear all,
I made a simple gui with tkinter. I can imagine there are things which I
did which are "not optimal". So what I ask is to comment on my code
preferable with snippets of code which show how to do improve my code.
#!/usr/bin/env python
import Tkinter
import time
import RPi.GPIO as GPIO
GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BOARD)
GPIO.setup(26,GPIO.OUT)
GPIO.setup(24,GPIO.OUT)
#hardware : connect 2 leds:
#board-pin 26 on/off led; control with buttons
#board-pin 24 led with pwm dimming and frequency; control via sliders
top = Tkinter.Tk()
top.geometry("600x400+310+290")
var1 = DoubleVar()
var2 = DoubleVar()
i=0
p=GPIO.PWM(24,1)
p.start(50)
def btn_on_cmd():
        text3.configure(bg = "#00FF00")
        text3.delete(0.1,END)
        text3.insert("0.1","ON ")
        GPIO.output(26,True)
def btn_off_cmd():
        text3.configure(bg = "#FF4000")
        text3.delete(0.1,END)
        text3.insert("0.1","OFF")       
        GPIO.output(26, False)
def timer0():
        global i
        i=i+1
        text1.delete(0.1,END)
        text1.insert(4.2,"Timer: " + str(i))
        label1.configure(text=time.strftime("%H:%M:%S"))
        top.after(1000, timer0)
def Set_PWM(var1):
        DC = float(var1)
        p.ChangeDutyCycle(DC)
def Set_FREQ(var2):
        FR = float(var2)
        p.ChangeFrequency(FR)   
btn_on = Button(top, text ="On", command = btn_on_cmd)
btn_on.place(x=10,y=100)
btn_off = Button(top, text ="Off", command = btn_off_cmd)
btn_off.place(x=100,y=100)
text1 =Text(top, bg = "#009BFF", font=("Helvetica",14), height = 1, width
= 15)
text1.place(x=5,y=5)
text3=Text(top, bg = "red", font=("Helvetica",12),height = 1, width = 4) 
text3.place(x=60,y=60)
label1 = Label(top,relief=RAISED,bg =
"#EFF980",font=("Helvetica",14),height = 1, width = 15)
label1.place(x=5,y=350)
label2= Label(top,relief=RAISED,bg =
"#BFBFBF",font=("Helvetica",10),height = 1, text= "Freq (Hz)")
label2.place(x=420,y=320)
label3= Label(top,relief=RAISED,bg =
"#BFBFBF",font=("Helvetica",10),height = 1, text= "DC %")
label3.place(x=520,y=320)
slider1 = Scale(top,variable = var1,length = 300,resolution = 1,command  =
Set_PWM)
slider1 = Scale(top,variable = var1,length = 300,resolution = 1,command  = Set_PWM)
slider1.place(x=500,y=5)
slider1.set(50)
slider2 = Scale(top,variable = var2,length = 300,from_= 0.1, to = 50,resolution = 0.1,command  = Set_FREQ)
slider2.place(x=400,y=5)
slider2.set(2)
timer0()
top.mainloop()
GPIO.cleanup()


thanks in advance 
jean

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#64169

Jean Dupont wrote:

> Dear all,
> I made a simple gui with tkinter. I can imagine there are things which I
> did which are "not optimal". So what I ask is to comment on my code
> preferable with snippets of code which show how to do improve my code.
> #!/usr/bin/env python
> import Tkinter
> import time
> import RPi.GPIO as GPIO
> GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BOARD)
> GPIO.setup(26,GPIO.OUT)
> GPIO.setup(24,GPIO.OUT)
> #hardware : connect 2 leds:
> #board-pin 26 on/off led; control with buttons
> #board-pin 24 led with pwm dimming and frequency; control via sliders
> top = Tkinter.Tk()
> top.geometry("600x400+310+290")
> var1 = DoubleVar()
> var2 = DoubleVar()
> i=0
> p=GPIO.PWM(24,1)
> p.start(50)
> def btn_on_cmd():
>         text3.configure(bg = "#00FF00")
>         text3.delete(0.1,END)
>         text3.insert("0.1","ON ")
>         GPIO.output(26,True)
> def btn_off_cmd():
>         text3.configure(bg = "#FF4000")
>         text3.delete(0.1,END)
>         text3.insert("0.1","OFF")
>         GPIO.output(26, False)
> def timer0():
>         global i
>         i=i+1
>         text1.delete(0.1,END)
>         text1.insert(4.2,"Timer: " + str(i))
>         label1.configure(text=time.strftime("%H:%M:%S"))
>         top.after(1000, timer0)
> def Set_PWM(var1):
>         DC = float(var1)
>         p.ChangeDutyCycle(DC)
> def Set_FREQ(var2):
>         FR = float(var2)
>         p.ChangeFrequency(FR)
> btn_on = Button(top, text ="On", command = btn_on_cmd)
> btn_on.place(x=10,y=100)
> btn_off = Button(top, text ="Off", command = btn_off_cmd)
> btn_off.place(x=100,y=100)
> text1 =Text(top, bg = "#009BFF", font=("Helvetica",14), height = 1, width
> = 15)
> text1.place(x=5,y=5)
> text3=Text(top, bg = "red", font=("Helvetica",12),height = 1, width = 4)
> text3.place(x=60,y=60)
> label1 = Label(top,relief=RAISED,bg =
> "#EFF980",font=("Helvetica",14),height = 1, width = 15)
> label1.place(x=5,y=350)
> label2= Label(top,relief=RAISED,bg =
> "#BFBFBF",font=("Helvetica",10),height = 1, text= "Freq (Hz)")
> label2.place(x=420,y=320)
> label3= Label(top,relief=RAISED,bg =
> "#BFBFBF",font=("Helvetica",10),height = 1, text= "DC %")
> label3.place(x=520,y=320)
> slider1 = Scale(top,variable = var1,length = 300,resolution = 1,command  =
> Set_PWM)
> slider1 = Scale(top,variable = var1,length = 300,resolution = 1,command  =
> Set_PWM) slider1.place(x=500,y=5)
> slider1.set(50)
> slider2 = Scale(top,variable = var2,length = 300,from_= 0.1, to =
> 50,resolution = 0.1,command  = Set_FREQ) slider2.place(x=400,y=5)
> slider2.set(2)
> timer0()
> top.mainloop()
> GPIO.cleanup()
> 
> 
> thanks in advance
> jean

First and foremost a program has to do what the author wants it to do. 
Everything else is secondary. You are likely to have such a program on your 
machine, so congrats :)

However, the version you posted does not run, probably because you started 
to replace

from Tkinter import *
top = Tk()
...
var1 = DoubleVar()

with the -- better --

import Tkinter
top = Tkinter.Tk()
...

but stopped too early, so that the line

var1 = DoubleVar

will raise a NameError. The fix is mechanical: run the program, go to the 
line with the NameError and add the 'Tkinter.' prefix.

Once you have done that you should take the time to find good variable 
names. var1? I have no idea what value that could hold until I've read the 
whole program. That's feasible here, but program size may grow over time, 
and can you still tell me what var1 means next week? I recommend names that 
reflect the problem domain, e. g. `var_dutycycle` or just `dutycycle`.

Next you should consider grouping the code by topic -- not necessarily into 
functions; having a section that does the setup for the dutycycle data and 
widgets and one for the time etc., visually separated by one or two empty 
lines should be sufficient.

If you're ambitious you should read up on the grid layout manager. I allows 
widget size to change depending on the window size.

The Text widget can be used to write whole Editors (like IDLE) -- it does no 
harm here, but seems a bit heavyweight for just an On/Off display. I would 
go with a Label or Entry. 

What does a red widget with no text mean, by the way? On, off, or undefined?
Personally, I like to start with a defined state. An easy way to achieve 
this is to call 

button_off_cmd() # or button_on_cmd()

manually before your program enters the mainloop() -- just like you did with 
timer0().

PS: An easy way to get an idea of what a script does is to run it. I'd guess 
that by keeping the Rasperry-Pi-specific code in you are reducing the number 
of readers who can do that by a few orders of magnitude. I managed to get it 
to run with the following ad-hoc changes:

$ diff -u raspberry_orig.py raspberry_mock.py
--- raspberry_orig.py   2014-01-17 16:10:20.843334832 +0100
+++ raspberry_mock.py   2014-01-17 16:10:58.970855503 +0100
@@ -1,7 +1,36 @@
 #!/usr/bin/env python
 import Tkinter
+from Tkinter import *
 import time
-import RPi.GPIO as GPIO
+
+try:
+    import RPi.GPIO as GPIO
+except ImportError:
+    class Name(str):
+        def __repr__(self):
+            return self
+
+    class GPIO:
+        def __init__(self, prefix):
+            self.prefix = prefix
+        def __getattr__(self, name):
+            if name in ["BOARD", "OUT"]:
+                return Name(name)
+            if name == "PWM":
+                return GPIO("PWM")
+            if name == "__call__":
+                def c(*args):
+                    print "Initializing {}{}".format(self.prefix, args)
+                    return self
+                return c
+            def f(*args):
+                print "Calling {}.{}{}".format(self.prefix, name, args)
+            return f
+
+    GPIO = GPIO("GPIO")
+
+
+
 GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BOARD)
 GPIO.setup(26,GPIO.OUT)
 GPIO.setup(24,GPIO.OUT)

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#64197

On 1/17/2014 8:20 AM, Jean Dupont wrote:
> Dear all,
> I made a simple gui with tkinter. I can imagine there are things which I
> did which are "not optimal". So what I ask is to comment on my code
> preferable with snippets of code which show how to do improve my code.
> #!/usr/bin/env python
> import Tkinter

1. import Tkinter as tk

Besides saving a bit of writing and reading time later, this makes any 
future conversion to 3.x easier.

import tkinter as tk

2. add a few spaces to demarcate blocks of code.

> import time
> import RPi.GPIO as GPIO

2. add a few spaces to demarcate blocks of code, such as here

> GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BOARD)
> GPIO.setup(26,GPIO.OUT)
> GPIO.setup(24,GPIO.OUT)
> #hardware : connect 2 leds:
> #board-pin 26 on/off led; control with buttons
> #board-pin 24 led with pwm dimming and frequency; control via sliders

and here

> top = Tkinter.Tk()
> top.geometry("600x400+310+290")

This looks strange somehow, but if it works...


> label1 = Label(top,relief=RAISED,bg =
> "#EFF980",font=("Helvetica",14),height = 1, width = 15)

In calls, put spaces after , but not before and after =.
For other suggestions, see
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/

I suspect that the above is one line in your code and the bad wrapping a 
result of mis-spacing. The following is also one line, but easer to read 
as spaces separate argument chunks

label1 = Label(top, relief=RAISED, bg="#EFF980", font=("Helvetica",14), 
height=1, width=15)

and the wrapping, if any, does not break up an arg chunk.

Some people advocate defining an App class, but Tk and tkinter, even 
though object method based, allow the straightforward imperative style 
you have used.

I agree with Peter: "First and foremost a program has to do what the 
author wants it to do. Everything else is secondary." But a bit of 
styling will make reading and changing easier.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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#64232

Op vrijdag 17 januari 2014 22:40:42 UTC+1 schreef Terry Reedy:
> On 1/17/2014 8:20 AM, Jean Dupont wrote:
> 
> > Dear all,
> 
> > I made a simple gui with tkinter. I can imagine there are things which I
> 
> > did which are "not optimal". So what I ask is to comment on my code
> 
> > preferable with snippets of code which show how to do improve my code.
> 
> > #!/usr/bin/env python
> 
> > import Tkinter
> 
> 
> 
> 1. import Tkinter as tk
> 
> 
> 
> Besides saving a bit of writing and reading time later, this makes any 
> 
> future conversion to 3.x easier.
> 
> 
> 
> import tkinter as tk
> 
> 
> 
> 2. add a few spaces to demarcate blocks of code.
> 
> 
> 
> > import time
> 
> > import RPi.GPIO as GPIO
> 
> 
> 
> 2. add a few spaces to demarcate blocks of code, such as here
> 
> 
> 
> > GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BOARD)
> 
> > GPIO.setup(26,GPIO.OUT)
> 
> > GPIO.setup(24,GPIO.OUT)
> 
> > #hardware : connect 2 leds:
> 
> > #board-pin 26 on/off led; control with buttons
> 
> > #board-pin 24 led with pwm dimming and frequency; control via sliders
> 
> 
> 
> and here
> 
> 
> 
> > top = Tkinter.Tk()
> 
> > top.geometry("600x400+310+290")
> 
> 
> 
> This looks strange somehow, but if it works...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > label1 = Label(top,relief=RAISED,bg =
> 
> > "#EFF980",font=("Helvetica",14),height = 1, width = 15)
> 
> 
> 
> In calls, put spaces after , but not before and after =.
> 
> For other suggestions, see
> 
> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/
> 
> 
> 
> I suspect that the above is one line in your code and the bad wrapping a 
> 
> result of mis-spacing. The following is also one line, but easer to read 
> 
> as spaces separate argument chunks
> 
> 
> 
> label1 = Label(top, relief=RAISED, bg="#EFF980", font=("Helvetica",14), 
> 
> height=1, width=15)
> 
> 
> 
> and the wrapping, if any, does not break up an arg chunk.
> 
> 
> 
> Some people advocate defining an App class, but Tk and tkinter, even 
> 
> though object method based, allow the straightforward imperative style 
> 
> you have used.
> 
> 
> 
> I agree with Peter: "First and foremost a program has to do what the 
> 
> author wants it to do. Everything else is secondary." But a bit of 
> 
> styling will make reading and changing easier.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Terry Jan Reedy

Thanks Peter and Terry Jan for the useful suggestions. One thing which I find a bit weird: when asking for Python-help concerning raspberry pi code or problems, a lot of people don't seem to be interested in helping out, that's of course their choice, but maybe they don't seem to be aware the raspberry pi is often the motivation for starting to learn to program in Python. And as such such a reaction is a bit disappointing.

kind regards,
jean

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#64233

On 18 January 2014 14:52, Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Peter and Terry Jan for the useful suggestions. One thing which I find a bit weird: when asking for Python-help concerning raspberry pi code or problems, a lot of people don't seem to be interested in helping out, that's of course their choice, but maybe they don't seem to be aware the raspberry pi is often the motivation for starting to learn to program in Python. And as such such a reaction is a bit disappointing.

Hi Jean,

What makes you say that? Did you previously ask questions about
Rasberry Pi code on this list?

If you did I wouldn't have answered those questions because I've never
used a Raspberry Pi and know nothing about them (except that they
encourage using Python somehow). I think that there's actually a list
that is specifically for Raspberry Pi Python questions that might be
more helpful although I don't know what it is...


Oscar

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#64334

Op zaterdag 18 januari 2014 16:12:41 UTC+1 schreef Oscar Benjamin:
> On 18 January 2014 14:52, Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Peter and Terry Jan for the useful suggestions. One thing which I 
> >find a bit weird: when asking for Python-help concerning raspberry pi code 
> > or problems, a lot of people don't seem to be interested in helping out, 
> > that's of course their choice, but maybe they don't seem to be aware the 
> > raspberry pi is often the motivation for starting to learn to program in 
> >Python. And as such such a reaction is a bit disappointing.
> Hi Jean,
> What makes you say that? Did you previously ask questions about
> Rasberry Pi code on this list?
It was not about code but about python-coding in IDLE (that's the default
on raspbian):
I started a thread "[newbie] starting geany from within idle does not
work" both here and in the raspberry pi forum. I just wondered why I never
got an answer concerning that topic.

> If you did I wouldn't have answered those questions because I've never
> used a Raspberry Pi and know nothing about them (except that they
> encourage using Python somehow). I think that there's actually a list
> that is specifically for Raspberry Pi Python questions that might be
> more helpful although I don't know what it is...
Here is the url to that forum

http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/

kind regards,
jean

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#64340

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> wrote:
> I started a thread "[newbie] starting geany from within idle does not
> work" both here and in the raspberry pi forum. I just wondered why I never
> got an answer concerning that topic.

I saw that thread. It looked like a R-Pi problem, not a Python one, so
I didn't respond because I don't have an R-Pi. If you get no response
on the R-Pi forum, you might want to see if you can duplicate the
issue on a desktop computer - preferably on Win/Mac/Lin, as those are
the platforms most people use. That, with exact steps to repro (which
it looks like you gave for the R-Pi, though again I can't verify),
would get some interest.

ChrisA

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#64481

Op maandag 20 januari 2014 07:24:31 UTC+1 schreef Chris Angelico:
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I started a thread "[newbie] starting geany from within idle does not
> > work" both here and in the raspberry pi forum. I just wondered why I never
> > got an answer concerning that topic.
> I saw that thread. It looked like a R-Pi problem, not a Python one, so
> I didn't respond because I don't have an R-Pi. If you get no response
> on the R-Pi forum, you might want to see if you can duplicate the
> issue on a desktop computer - preferably on Win/Mac/Lin, as those are
> the platforms most people use. That, with exact steps to repro (which
> it looks like you gave for the R-Pi, though again I can't verify),
> would get some interest.
I did try to do the same on my linux desktop computer, but the problem is,
it has another desktop environment (KDE4). In the rpi-environment it is
possible
(but it doesn't work) to change the default IDLE-editor by right-clicking
the idle-icon and choosing geany in stead of leafpad, however the same
can't be done
in KDE4, I hoped to find a similar setting once running IDLE in
Options-->Configure IDLE, but nothing there neither. I also looked
unsuccessfuly in the .idlerc-directory for a config-file. Hence my initial
question.

kind regards,
jean

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#64494

 Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> Op maandag 20 januari 2014 07:24:31 UTC+1 schreef Chris Angelico:
>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I started a thread "[newbie] starting geany from within idle does not
>> > work" 


> I did try to do the same on my linux desktop computer, but the problem is,
> it has another desktop environment (KDE4). In the rpi-environment it is
> possible
> (but it doesn't work) to change the default IDLE-editor by right-clicking
> the idle-icon and choosing geany in stead of leafpad, however the same
> can't be done
> in KDE4, I hoped to find a similar setting once running IDLE in
> Options-->Configure IDLE, but nothing there neither. I also looked
> unsuccessfuly in the .idlerc-directory for a config-file. Hence my initial
> question.
> 

What does idle offer that Geary does not?  Why not just run Geary
 from your terminal prompt? 
> 


-- 
DaveA

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#64349

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:04:05 -0800, Jean Dupont wrote:

> Op zaterdag 18 januari 2014 16:12:41 UTC+1 schreef Oscar Benjamin:
>> On 18 January 2014 14:52, Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks Peter and Terry Jan for the useful suggestions. One thing
>> > which I
>> >find a bit weird: when asking for Python-help concerning raspberry pi
>> >code
>> > or problems, a lot of people don't seem to be interested in helping
>> > out,
>> > that's of course their choice, but maybe they don't seem to be aware
>> > the raspberry pi is often the motivation for starting to learn to
>> > program in
>> >Python. And as such such a reaction is a bit disappointing.
>> Hi Jean,
>> What makes you say that? Did you previously ask questions about
>> Rasberry Pi code on this list?
> It was not about code but about python-coding in IDLE (that's the
> default on raspbian):
> I started a thread "[newbie] starting geany from within idle does not
> work" both here and in the raspberry pi forum. I just wondered why I
> never got an answer concerning that topic.
> 
>> If you did I wouldn't have answered those questions because I've never
>> used a Raspberry Pi and know nothing about them (except that they
>> encourage using Python somehow). I think that there's actually a list
>> that is specifically for Raspberry Pi Python questions that might be
>> more helpful although I don't know what it is...
> Here is the url to that forum
> 
> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/
> 
> kind regards,
> jean

Personally  use Geany  stand alone and not under idle, pressing F5 should 
save & run the code you are currently editing. Would running under idle 
give any other benefits? 



-- 
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#64502

Op maandag 20 januari 2014 10:17:15 UTC+1 schreef Alister:
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:04:05 -0800, Jean Dupont wrote:
>
> > Op zaterdag 18 januari 2014 16:12:41 UTC+1 schreef Oscar Benjamin:
> >> On 18 January 2014 14:52, Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thanks Peter and Terry Jan for the useful suggestions. One thing
> >> > which I
> >> >find a bit weird: when asking for Python-help concerning raspberry pi
> >> >code
> >> > or problems, a lot of people don't seem to be interested in helping
> >> > out,
> >> > that's of course their choice, but maybe they don't seem to be aware
> >> > the raspberry pi is often the motivation for starting to learn to
> >> > program in
> >> >Python. And as such such a reaction is a bit disappointing.
> >> Hi Jean,
> >> What makes you say that? Did you previously ask questions about
> >> Rasberry Pi code on this list?
> > It was not about code but about python-coding in IDLE (that's the
> > default on raspbian):
> > I started a thread "[newbie] starting geany from within idle does not
> > work" both here and in the raspberry pi forum. I just wondered why I
> > never got an answer concerning that topic.
> > 
> >> If you did I wouldn't have answered those questions because I've never
> >> used a Raspberry Pi and know nothing about them (except that they
> >> encourage using Python somehow). I think that there's actually a list
> >> that is specifically for Raspberry Pi Python questions that might be
> >> more helpful although I don't know what it is...
> > Here is the url to that forum
> > 
> > http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/
> > 
> > kind regards,
> > jean
>
> Personally  use Geany  stand alone and not under idle, pressing F5 should 
> save & run the code you are currently editing. Would running under idle 
> give any other benefits? 
I don't know yet, but I just wanted to try out which of the following three I'd like best:
1. idle+leafpad
2. idle+geany
3. plain geany

It's normal for a newbie to start with (1) as that is the default on raspbian,
however I still don't understand why (2) does not work...

kind regards,
jean

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#64504

On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 06:45:53 -0800, Jean Dupont wrote:

> Op maandag 20 januari 2014 10:17:15 UTC+1 schreef Alister:
>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:04:05 -0800, Jean Dupont wrote:
>>
>> > Op zaterdag 18 januari 2014 16:12:41 UTC+1 schreef Oscar Benjamin:
>> >> On 18 January 2014 14:52, Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks Peter and Terry Jan for the useful suggestions. One thing
>> >> > which I
>> >> >find a bit weird: when asking for Python-help concerning raspberry
>> Personally  use Geany  stand alone and not under idle, pressing F5
>> should save & run the code you are currently editing. Would running
>> under idle give any other benefits?
> I don't know yet, but I just wanted to try out which of the following
> three I'd like best:
> 1. idle+leafpad 2. idle+geany 3. plain geany
> 
> It's normal for a newbie to start with (1) as that is the default on
> raspbian,
> however I still don't understand why (2) does not work...
> 
When I play with my Pi I tend to use another computer for all my editing
(sshfs is a quick & easy way for me to mount the necessary parts of the 
PI file system so I don't have to keep transferring files)




-- 
People in general do not willingly read if they have anything else to
amuse them.
		-- S. Johnson

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#64847

Op woensdag 22 januari 2014 16:43:21 UTC+1 schreef Alister:
> On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 06:45:53 -0800, Jean Dupont wrote:
>
> > Op maandag 20 januari 2014 10:17:15 UTC+1 schreef Alister:
> >> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:04:05 -0800, Jean Dupont wrote:
> >>
> >> > Op zaterdag 18 januari 2014 16:12:41 UTC+1 schreef Oscar Benjamin:
> >> >> On 18 January 2014 14:52, Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks Peter and Terry Jan for the useful suggestions. One thing
> >> >> > which I
> >> >> >find a bit weird: when asking for Python-help concerning raspberry
> >> Personally  use Geany  stand alone and not under idle, pressing F5
> >> should save & run the code you are currently editing. Would running
> >> under idle give any other benefits?
> > I don't know yet, but I just wanted to try out which of the following
> > three I'd like best:
> > 1. idle+leafpad 2. idle+geany 3. plain geany
> > 
> > It's normal for a newbie to start with (1) as that is the default on
> > raspbian,
> > however I still don't understand why (2) does not work...
> > 
> When I play with my Pi I tend to use another computer for all my editing
> (sshfs is a quick & easy way for me to mount the necessary parts of the 
> PI file system so I don't have to keep transferring files)
Thanks for the suggestion, I'm going to try it out

kind regards,
jean

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#64848

Op woensdag 22 januari 2014 15:45:53 UTC+1 schreef Jean Dupont:
> Op maandag 20 januari 2014 10:17:15 UTC+1 schreef Alister:
> > On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:04:05 -0800, Jean Dupont wrote:
> >
> > > Op zaterdag 18 januari 2014 16:12:41 UTC+1 schreef Oscar Benjamin:
> > >> On 18 January 2014 14:52, Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks Peter and Terry Jan for the useful suggestions. One thing
> > >> > which I
> > >> >find a bit weird: when asking for Python-help concerning raspberry pi
> > >> >code
> > >> > or problems, a lot of people don't seem to be interested in helping
> > >> > out,
> > >> > that's of course their choice, but maybe they don't seem to be aware
> > >> > the raspberry pi is often the motivation for starting to learn to
> > >> > program in
> > >> >Python. And as such such a reaction is a bit disappointing.
> > >> Hi Jean,
> > >> What makes you say that? Did you previously ask questions about
> > >> Rasberry Pi code on this list?
> > > It was not about code but about python-coding in IDLE (that's the
> > > default on raspbian):
> > > I started a thread "[newbie] starting geany from within idle does not
> > > work" both here and in the raspberry pi forum. I just wondered why I
> > > never got an answer concerning that topic.
> > > 
> > >> If you did I wouldn't have answered those questions because I've never
> > >> used a Raspberry Pi and know nothing about them (except that they
> > >> encourage using Python somehow). I think that there's actually a list
> > >> that is specifically for Raspberry Pi Python questions that might be
> > >> more helpful although I don't know what it is...
> > > Here is the url to that forum
> > > 
> > > http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/
> > > 
> > > kind regards,
> > > jean
> >
> > Personally  use Geany  stand alone and not under idle, pressing F5 should 
> > save & run the code you are currently editing. Would running under idle 
> > give any other benefits? 
> I don't know yet, but I just wanted to try out which of the following three I'd like best:
> 1. idle+leafpad
> 2. idle+geany
> 3. plain geany
>
> It's normal for a newbie to start with (1) as that is the default on raspbian,
> however I still don't understand why (2) does not work...
I finally found out where I was wrong: leafpad is _not_ the default choice
in IDLE, IDLE has its own built in editor and IDLE does not allow to use
another editor. The confusion stemmed from the properties I got when right
clicking on the IDLE-icon on the raspbian desktop, which shows "Open with"
and then suggests the default choice is Leafpad and Geany as a second
choice, it has however nothin to do with IDLE as such.

kind regards,
jean

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#64236

On 18/01/2014 15:12, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
> On 18 January 2014 14:52, Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Peter and Terry Jan for the useful suggestions. One thing which I find a bit weird: when asking for Python-help concerning raspberry pi code or problems, a lot of people don't seem to be interested in helping out, that's of course their choice, but maybe they don't seem to be aware the raspberry pi is often the motivation for starting to learn to program in Python. And as such such a reaction is a bit disappointing.
>
> Hi Jean,
>
> What makes you say that? Did you previously ask questions about
> Rasberry Pi code on this list?
>
> If you did I wouldn't have answered those questions because I've never
> used a Raspberry Pi and know nothing about them (except that they
> encourage using Python somehow). I think that there's actually a list
> that is specifically for Raspberry Pi Python questions that might be
> more helpful although I don't know what it is...
>
>
> Oscar
>

As Python is meant to be cross platform i think it's pretty much 
irrelevant that Raspberry Pi is mentioned.  It's far more likely that 
people don't respond as questions are asked about specific libraries 
which they haven't used.

Neither does it help when considering Jean's last post that the final 
paragraph shows as one line in Thunderbird on Windows and over 60% is 
simply blank lines.  No guesses as to how he's posting.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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#64237

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 06:52:24 -0800 (PST), Jean Dupont
<jeandupont314@gmail.com> declaimed the following:


>
>Thanks Peter and Terry Jan for the useful suggestions. One thing which I find a bit weird: when asking for Python-help concerning raspberry pi code or problems, a lot of people don't seem to be interested in helping out, that's of course their choice, but maybe they don't seem to be aware the raspberry pi is often the motivation for starting to learn to program in Python. And as such such a reaction is a bit disappointing.
>

	There is a difference between learning Python ON a Raspberry-Pi, and
learning the Raspberry-Pi with Python.

	R-Pi specific libraries or code aren't things every Python user would
have experience with; asking in the R-Pi newsgroup -- comp.sys.raspberry-pi
-- would at least focus the matter to people with experience or interest in
the R-Pi.

	Granted, that may require one to obtain a proper Usenet news-client and
access to a news server carrying the group; rather than the corrupting
influence of Google Groups (I haven't looked to see if GG has access to it;
but GG makes a trash out of messages that gateway out to the real world).
-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#64248

Talking to myself, again...

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 12:28:47 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber
<wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> declaimed the following:

>
>	There is a difference between learning Python ON a Raspberry-Pi, and
>learning the Raspberry-Pi with Python.
>
>	R-Pi specific libraries or code aren't things every Python user would
>have experience with; asking in the R-Pi newsgroup -- comp.sys.raspberry-pi
>-- would at least focus the matter to people with experience or interest in
>the R-Pi.
>
	I do need to moderate this somewhat (I haven't looked at the full
thread). For purely Python matters, this is likely a good spot -- Sorry if
I sounded overly harsh.

	Unfortunately, when it comes to tkinter/Tk -- my one program was a
decade ago, relying upon a no doubt now out-of-print book, and took a long
time to get it working properly... And it was just a single window/form
with a mass of file and directory requesters (used to set up a run
configuration for a test station -- pick the release version, where the
executables to install on the test hardware were located, etc.).

	All that to lead into: I tend to skip posts that mention tkinter.
-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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#64253

The Raspberry Pi is exactly what got me started with Python. I'm at medium-sized science museum and used the Pi, Python, & tkinter to introduce kids to programming & Linux this past summer.

Jean, feel free to contact me off-line for my experience with all three.


Brian Grawburg
Wilson, NC


-----Original Message----- 
> From: "Oscar Benjamin" <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> 
> To: "Jean Dupont" <jeandupont314@gmail.com> 
> Cc: "Python List" <python-list@python.org> 
> Date: 01/18/14 10:13 AM 
> Subject: Re: [newbie] advice and comment wanted on first tkinter program 
> 
> On 18 January 2014 14:52, Jean Dupont <jeandupont314@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Peter and Terry Jan for the useful suggestions. One thing which I find a bit weird: when asking for Python-help concerning raspberry pi code or problems, a lot of people don't seem to be interested in helping out, that's of course their choice, but maybe they don't seem to be aware the raspberry pi is often the motivation for starting to learn to program in Python. And as such such a reaction is a bit disappointing.
> 
> Hi Jean,
> 
> What makes you say that? Did you previously ask questions about
> Rasberry Pi code on this list?
> 
> If you did I wouldn't have answered those questions because I've never
> used a Raspberry Pi and know nothing about them (except that they
> encourage using Python somehow). I think that there's actually a list
> that is specifically for Raspberry Pi Python questions that might be
> more helpful although I don't know what it is...
> 
> 
> Oscar
> -- 
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

-- 
The truth will set you free . . .but first it will infuriate you.

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