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Re: How good is security via hashing

From Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com>
Subject Re: How good is security via hashing
Date 2011-06-08 08:18 +0100
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On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:38:29 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:

>> Personally, I'd take whatever "cheap" entropy I can get and hash it.
>> If you're going to read from /dev/urandom, limit it to a few bytes per
>> minute, not per request.
> 
> That's really not going to help you.

In what way?

If I need security, I'll use /dev/random or /dev/urandom. If I don't, I'll
save the real entropy for something which needs it.

Issues with observability of entropy sources (mainly the use of network
traffic as an entropy source) are overblown. The staff of a co-location
facility have physical access, and anyone further out doesn't see enough
of the traffic for it to do them any good.

Predicting an entropy-hashing RNG based upon a fraction of the entropy
and a fraction of the output is a theoretical attack which is only
relevant to entities who have far easier options available to them.

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How good is security via hashing Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2011-06-07 11:18 +0100
  Re: How good is security via hashing Jean-Paul Calderone <calderone.jeanpaul@gmail.com> - 2011-06-07 04:40 -0700
    Re: How good is security via hashing Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2011-06-07 13:27 +0100
      Re: How good is security via hashing Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-06-07 06:00 -0700
      Re: How good is security via hashing Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2011-06-07 22:23 +0100
        Re: How good is security via hashing Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-06-07 19:38 -0700
          Re: How good is security via hashing Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2011-06-08 08:18 +0100
            Re: How good is security via hashing Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-06-08 00:40 -0700

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