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Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors

From	alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Subject	Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors
Date	2015-06-03 09:38 +0000
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On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:41:44 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:

> Alain Ketterlin <alain@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid>:
> 
>> Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> writes:
>>> Maybe close() will fail for ever.
>>
>> Your program has to deal with this, something is going wrong, it can't
>> just close and go on.
> 
> Here's the deal: the child process is saddled with file descriptors it
> never wanted in the first place. It can't decline them. Now you're
> saying it can't even dispose of them.
> 
No You cab dispose of them you just need to warn the user that the action 
did not complete correctly & there may be errors with the data.

Example What does your test editor do if you try to save a file back to a 
USB stick that has been removed? does it simply let you think the file 
has been successfully saved? i hope not.

> The reason this has been allowed to go on is that everybody just closes
> the file descriptors and ignores the possibility or repercussions of a
> failure. I haven't read about horror stories of this failing.
> 
> I readily admit this is very dirty, but since the API doesn't offer a
> clean alternative, there's nothing you can/should do about it.
> 
> 
> Marko





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Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> - 2015-06-02 08:58 -0500
  Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-02 18:28 +0300
    Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> - 2015-06-02 10:42 -0500
      Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-02 19:24 +0300
        Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2015-06-02 16:37 +0000
    Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors MrJean1 <MrJean1@gmail.com> - 2015-06-12 13:43 -0700
  Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Alain Ketterlin <alain@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid> - 2015-06-02 17:59 +0200
    Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-02 23:05 +0300
      Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Alain Ketterlin <alain@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid> - 2015-06-02 23:06 +0200
        Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-03 01:24 +0300
          Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Alain Ketterlin <alain@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid> - 2015-06-03 09:21 +0200
            Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-03 10:41 +0300
              Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-06-03 09:38 +0000
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-06-03 22:07 +1000
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-06-03 12:18 +0000
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-03 15:27 +0300
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-06-03 13:05 +0000
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-03 17:49 +0300
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-03 15:25 +0300
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors random832@fastmail.us - 2015-06-03 08:54 -0400
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-03 16:08 +0300
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors random832@fastmail.us - 2015-06-03 09:21 -0400
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-06-03 23:32 +1000
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-03 16:33 +0300
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-03 17:43 +0300
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors random832@fastmail.us - 2015-06-03 16:08 -0400
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-04 00:09 +0300
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors random832@fastmail.us - 2015-06-03 16:07 -0400
                Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-06-04 07:54 +1000
        Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-06-03 09:54 +1000
          Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Alain Ketterlin <alain@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid> - 2015-06-03 09:11 +0200
            Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors random832@fastmail.us - 2015-06-03 08:21 -0400
              Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Alain Ketterlin <alain@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid> - 2015-06-03 15:16 +0200
        Re: fork/exec & close file descriptors Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> - 2015-06-02 20:21 -0500

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