Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8

From	Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
Subject	Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8
Date	2014-04-15 15:29 -0400
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On 4/15/2014 7:33 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> writes:
>
>> 3.4.0 was released a month ago with Windows and Mac installers and
>> source for everything else. I know Ubuntu was testing the release
>> candidate so I presume it is or will very soon have 3.4 officially
>> available. Since there was a six month series of alpha, beta, and
>> candidate releases, with an approximate final release data, any
>> distribution that wanted to be up to date also could be.
>
> Those assertions assume that:
>
> * operating systems have stable releases every few months; and
>
> * they have a zero-length process to get a stable release of Python into
>    the stable OS release; and
>
> * the user is always running the latest stable OS version immediately
>    after its release.

No, I was not talking about replacing the system python. Only about 
having a .rpm or .deb or whatever available to make an alternate 
install. My comments are a response to someone saying he could not use 
Python3 because his system only had ancient 3.2 available and he needed 
to use a module that requires 3.3. If he was telling the truth, this 
strikes me as ridiculous.

> When, in reality, the OS team will need quite a long time to ensure the
> stable Python release works smoothly with all of the rest of the OS;

For a standalone non-system install, I cannot imagine what you are 
talking about. CPython is primarily developed on Linux. It is continuous 
tested on multiple buildbots that include several *nix and in particular 
linux distributions (https://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/). I believe it 
more stable on linux than anything else, certainly more than on Windows. 
CPython x.y.0 is released after a month of candidate testing. When it is 
released, it definitely works on multiple linux distributions, or it 
would not be released.

I believe distutils has options to create some package manager bundles 
(.rpm, .deb?, ???) and that we once hosted such on the site on day 1, 
along with a windows binary. I believe we no longer do because linux 
distributions proliferated and said that they would rather host python 
bundles in their own package manager systems.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-14 23:20 +1000
  Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-04-14 16:51 +0300
    Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-15 00:19 +1000
      Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-04-14 17:40 +0300
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-15 01:01 +1000
    Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-04-14 15:46 +0100
      Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Pete Forman <petef4+usenet@gmail.com> - 2014-04-14 19:39 +0100
    Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-15 01:04 +1000
      Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-04-14 10:41 -0700
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-04-14 12:59 -0600
          Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-04-15 01:25 -0700
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-04-14 15:28 -0400
    Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-04-14 23:54 -0400
      Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-04-15 08:03 +0300
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-04-15 04:32 -0400
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-04-15 21:33 +1000
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Albert-Jan Roskam <fomcl@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-15 10:21 -0700
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-04-15 15:01 -0400
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-04-15 15:29 -0400
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2014-04-15 22:34 +0100
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-04-15 18:18 -0400
          Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-04-16 01:18 +0000
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu> - 2014-04-15 17:32 -0500
          Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-04-16 01:21 +0000
            Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu> - 2014-04-16 02:32 -0500
              Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-04-16 01:07 -0700
              Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-04-16 08:13 +0000
            Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-16 18:02 +1000
            Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu> - 2014-04-16 03:42 -0500
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2014-04-16 00:11 +0100
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-04-15 20:39 -0400
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2014-04-15 17:42 -0700
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2014-04-16 03:27 +0100
    Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-04-15 16:08 +1000
    Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-04-15 04:33 -0400
      Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-04-15 09:41 +0000
    Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-15 19:05 +1000
    Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-04-15 15:48 -0400
      Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-04-16 02:52 +0000
        Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-16 16:22 +1000
          Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8 wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-04-15 23:30 -0700

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