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Re: "x == None" vs "x is None"

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<paul.hermeneutic@gmail.com> writes:

> I prefer (x is None) and (x is not None).

There are good reasons to prefer this.

But this is not a good reason:

> This matches the SQL concept of NULL.

That's not really helpful, because it *doesn't* match.

> (X = NULL) is not valid since NULL is not a value and cannot be
> compared with anything.

SQL Null fails comparison with any value. Python ``None`` is a value and
can be compared like any other value.

SQL Null is neither truthy nor falsy; three-value logic is required when
Null can occur. Python ``None`` is falsy by definition, and two-value
(Boolean) logic continues to obtain.

SQL Null is not a value and has no data type. Python ``None`` is an
object and, like any other object, has a type defining the operations
that it can perform.

And so on. While some libraries do conflate SQL Null with Python
``None``, the two concepts really behave quite differently. It is
needlessly misleading to say they “match” in any sense.

I'm in the camp that says, while SQL is quite useful, its NULL is a wart
<URL:https://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/5222/why-shouldnt-we-allow-nulls/6049>.

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Ben Finney

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"x == None" vs "x is None" Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> - 2016-01-17 09:51 +0000
  Re: "x == None" vs "x is None" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 21:15 +1100
    Re: "x == None" vs "x is None" Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> - 2016-01-17 11:05 +0000
      Re: "x == None" vs "x is None" Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2016-01-17 12:26 +0100
      Re: "x == None" vs "x is None" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 22:29 +1100
      Re: "x == None" vs "x is None" <paul.hermeneutic@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:01 -0700
      Re: "x == None" vs "x is None" Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2016-01-17 16:33 -0500
      Re: "x == None" vs "x is None" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 08:38 +1100
      Re: "x == None" vs "x is None" Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-01-18 13:46 +1100
  Re: "x == None" vs "x is None" fernando junior <fernandojr.ifcg@live.com> - 2016-01-19 14:20 -0800

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