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Re: Bi-directional sub-process communication

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On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Israel Brewster <israel@ravnalaska.net>
wrote:

> Of course, that last step could be interesting - implementing the block in
> such a way as to not tie up the processor, while still getting the data "as
> soon" as it is available. Unless there is some sort of built-in
> notification system I could use for that? I.e. the thread would "subscribe"
> to a notification based on its tag, and then wait for notification. When
> the master processing thread receives data with said tag, it adds it to the
> dictionary and "publishes" a notification to that tag. Or perhaps the
> notification itself could contain the payload?


There are a few ways I could see handling this, without having the threads
spinning and consuming CPU:

   1. Don't worry about having the follow-up code run in the same thread,
   and use a simple callback. This callback could be dispatched to a thread
   via a work queue, however you may not get the same thread as the one that
   made the request. This is probably the most efficient method to use, as the
   threads can continue doing other work while waiting for a reply, rather
   than blocking. It does make it harder to maintain state between the pre-
   and post-request functions, however.
   2. Have a single, global, event variable that wakes all threads waiting
   on a reply, each of which then checks to see if the reply is for it, or
   goes back to sleep. This is good if most of the time, only a few threads
   will be waiting for a reply, and checking if the correct reply came in is
   cheap. This is probably good enough, unless you have a LOT of threads
   (hundreds).
   3. Have an event per thread. This will use less CPU than the second
   option, however does require more memory and OS resources, and so will not
   be viable for huge numbers of threads, though if you hit the limit, you are
   probably using threads wrong.
   4. Have an event per request. This is only better than #3 if a single
   thread may make multiple requests at once, and can do useful work when any
   of them get a reply back (if they need all, it will make no difference).

Generally, I would use option #1 or #2. Option 2 has the advantage of
making it easy to write the functions that use the functionality, while
option 1 will generally use fewer resources, and allows threads to continue
to be used while waiting for replies. How much of a benefit that is depends
on exactly what you are doing.

Option #4 would probably be better implemented using option #1 in all cases
to avoid problems with running out of OS memory - threading features
generally require more limited OS resources than memory. Option #3 will
also often run into the same issues as option #4 in the cases it will
provide any benefit over option #2.

Chris

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