Re: init is the initialiser

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On 01/31/2014 08:35 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>
>> Thus, two methods. __new__ constructs (creates, allocates) a new object;
>> __init__ initialises it after the event.
>
> Yes, but if you think in terms of abstractions, they're both just
> steps in the conceptual process of "creating the object".

> So maybe it's best to talk about the two methods collectively as
> "the constructor", and then let people call the two parts whatever
> they will.

> I do like the idea of calling __init__ the initializer. The downside
> of calling __new__ the constructor is that it'll encourage C++ and
> Java programmers to override it and get themselves confused

Why do we worry so about other languages?  If and when I go to learn C++ or Lisp, I do not expect their devs to be 
worrying about making their terminology match Python's.  Part of the effort is in learning what the terms mean, what the 
ideology is, the differences, the similarities, etc., etc..

--
~Ethan~

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Re: __init__ is the initialiser Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-01-31 14:52 -0500
  Re: __init__ is the initialiser Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-02-01 03:42 +0000
    Re: __init__ is the initialiser Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-02-01 15:35 +1100
      Re: __init__ is the initialiser Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-02-01 05:51 +0000
        Re: __init__ is the initialiser Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-02-01 00:28 -0800
    Re: __init__ is the initialiser Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-01-31 20:55 -0800
    Re: __init__ is the initialiser Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-02-01 07:28 -0500
      Re: __init__ is the initialiser Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-02-01 09:40 -0500
        Re: __init__ is the initialiser Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-01 15:07 +0000
          Re: __init__ is the initialiser Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-02-01 11:17 -0500
    Re: __init__ is the initialiser Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-02-02 07:09 +1100
      Re: __init__ is the initialiser Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-02-02 01:28 +0000
    Re: __init__ is the initialiser Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-02-02 15:27 +1100
    Re: __init__ is the initialiser Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-02-03 12:38 +1300
      Re: __init__ is the initialiser Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-02-03 00:33 +0000
        Re: __init__ is the initialiser Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-02-04 12:47 +1300
    Re: __init__ is the initialiser Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-02-03 11:02 +1100

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