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Re: __init__ is the initialiser

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Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> writes:

> On 1/31/14 2:33 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> >  From http://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html#object.__init__
> > […]
> > Should the wording of the above be changed to clearly reflect that
> > we have an initialiser here and that __new__ is the constructor?
>
> I'm torn about that. The fact is, that for 95% of the reasons you want
> to say "constructor", the thing you're describing is __init__.

I assume the “95%” figure is made up. Whose wants are you divining, here?

> Most classes have __init__, only very very few have __new__.

Yes, this is true, and I agree it is a major factor in the confusion:
the term “constructor” is commonly encountered in discussion of classes,
and in Python, the method “__init__” is commonly encountered. It is a
natural mistake to think Python names its constructor “__init__”, since
most classes don't define “__new__”.

> The sense that __new__ is the constructor is the one borrowed from C++
> and Java: you don't have an instance of your type until the
> constructor has returned. This is why __init__ is not a constructor:
> the self passed into __init__ is already an object of your class.

A more salient reason, I think, is that “constructor” entails that the
function will return the instance. This is another important reason why
“__init__” is not a constructor: it does not return the instance.

> But that distinction isn't useful in most programs. The thing most
> people mean by "constructor" is "the method that gets invoked right at
> the beginning of the object's lifetime, where you can add code to
> initialize it properly." That describes __init__.

Here we disagree. I think the meaning “… and that returns the new
instance” is entailed in the meaning of “constructor”.

> Why can't we call __init__ the constructor and __new__ the allocator?

Because those terms already have meanings, and “__new__” fits the
meaning of “constructor” better.

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Ben Finney

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